Oleta, I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted to ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas HENSLEY, his father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she was Della Jane JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. My gradmother was Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. BLANKENSHIP, his father was Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my grandfather had a card but he and his wife divorced years before his death and we are not able to find a copy of it. My question is where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a copy? I would be very grateful for any help you might give. Thank you, Kathy > > From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many Cherokees > who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing our > dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James ,my > Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers stated he > was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a knock > on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His answer > was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to prove > it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a bayonet.I've got > copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's mom was > Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander on one > of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two was > Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my Uncle. > Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB because > like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you would put > it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I have > made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high > cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you should > have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my Dad's > father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" <patton14@crosstel.net> > writes: > > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , certainly > > not as > > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or your > > Cherokee > > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to this > > list.I was > > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply for > > a CDIB > > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a > > CDIB, I > > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for their > > own > > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended you. > > > > > > James > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > > > > > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. In > > my > > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My mother > > and my > > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are well > > known. > > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any requirement > > and my > > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired from > > the U. > > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with > > the > > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five years. > > You can > > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to > > check up > > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called a > > County > > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately > > that as > > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County I > > should > > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group but I > > guess > > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung around. > > Don > > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so I've > > had > > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you all > > the > > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well > > known > > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not > > important > > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked for > > but if > > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. I've > > been > > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have gotten > > the > > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" > > <patton14@crosstel.net> > > > writes: > > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of a > > >> response, but > > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your > > choice > > >> not to > > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements established > > by > > >> BIA > > >> and/or tribal membership department? > > >> > > >> > > >> James > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM > > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > >> > > >> > > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy in > > the > > >> East > > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many books > > >> and even > > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to be > > >> Guardian for > > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can > > guess > > >> what > > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage > > and > > >> she had a > > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this > > happened > > >> in the > > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies > > because > > >> the > > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than > > one > > >> fourth. I > > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State Indian > > >> Archives > > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes > > enrollment > > >> was > > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this was > > >> between > > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified from > > >> either > > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never > > gotten a > > >> CDIB > > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from Nancy > > Ward. > > >> I'm > > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: > > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of the > > >> Cherokee > > >> >> Nation > > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all have > > >> varying > > >> >> degrees of > > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have different > > >> blood > > >> >> degrees. > > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother > > that > > >> >> most were > > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really were > > >> because > > >> >> if you were > > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white overseer > > of > > >> >> your > > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since I > > am > > >> a > > >> >> descendant of Nancy > > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on my > > >> >> grandmother's side > > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see differences > > in > > >> blood > > >> >> degree > > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my ancestors > > >> listed. > > >> >> I think > > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their > > >> Cherokee > > >> >> pride. We > > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most > > were > > >> just > > >> >> trying to > > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up poor > > my > > >> >> great > > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness > > and > > >> >> accidents and on both > > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I > > think > > >> it > > >> >> has taken > > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's and > > I > > >> are > > >> >> the first > > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. > > >> >> > > >> >> Robin Smith > > >> >> > > >> >> ------------------------------- > > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > >> the > > >> >> message > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > ------------------------------- > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > >> 'unsubscribe' > > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the > > >> message > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Blankenships connect to the Brackett's who connect to the Rapers who connect to the McDaniels who connect to the descendents of Nancy Ward Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: <repete58@alltel.net> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > Oleta, > I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted to > ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas HENSLEY, his > father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she was Della Jane > JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. My gradmother was > Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. BLANKENSHIP, his father was > Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my grandfather had a card but he and his > wife divorced years before his death and we are not able to find a copy of > it. My question is where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a > copy? > > I would be very grateful for any help you might give. > Thank you, > Kathy >> >> From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> >> Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT >> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure >> >> Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many Cherokees >> who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing our >> dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James ,my >> Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers stated he >> was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a knock >> on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His answer >> was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to prove >> it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a bayonet.I've got >> copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's mom was >> Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander on one >> of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two was >> Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my Uncle. >> Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB because >> like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you would put >> it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I have >> made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high >> cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you should >> have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my Dad's >> father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" <patton14@crosstel.net> >> writes: >> > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , certainly >> > not as >> > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or your >> > Cherokee >> > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to this >> > list.I was >> > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply for >> > a CDIB >> > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a >> > CDIB, I >> > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for their >> > own >> > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended you. >> > >> > >> > James >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> >> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM >> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure >> > >> > >> > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. In >> > my >> > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My mother >> > and my >> > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are well >> > known. >> > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any requirement >> > and my >> > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired from >> > the U. >> > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with >> > the >> > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five years. >> > You can >> > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to >> > check up >> > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called a >> > County >> > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately >> > that as >> > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County I >> > should >> > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group but I >> > guess >> > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung around. >> > Don >> > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so I've >> > had >> > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you all >> > the >> > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well >> > known >> > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not >> > important >> > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked for >> > but if >> > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. I've >> > been >> > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have gotten >> > the >> > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite >> > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" >> > <patton14@crosstel.net> >> > > writes: >> > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of a >> > >> response, but >> > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your >> > choice >> > >> not to >> > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements established >> > by >> > >> BIA >> > >> and/or tribal membership department? >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> James >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> >> > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM >> > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy in >> > the >> > >> East >> > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many books >> > >> and even >> > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to be >> > >> Guardian for >> > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can >> > guess >> > >> what >> > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage >> > and >> > >> she had a >> > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this >> > happened >> > >> in the >> > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies >> > because >> > >> the >> > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than >> > one >> > >> fourth. I >> > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State Indian >> > >> Archives >> > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes >> > enrollment >> > >> was >> > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this was >> > >> between >> > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified from >> > >> either >> > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never >> > gotten a >> > >> CDIB >> > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from Nancy >> > Ward. >> > >> I'm >> > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: >> > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of the >> > >> Cherokee >> > >> >> Nation >> > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all have >> > >> varying >> > >> >> degrees of >> > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have different >> > >> blood >> > >> >> degrees. >> > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother >> > that >> > >> >> most were >> > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really were >> > >> because >> > >> >> if you were >> > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white overseer >> > of >> > >> >> your >> > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since I >> > am >> > >> a >> > >> >> descendant of Nancy >> > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on my >> > >> >> grandmother's side >> > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see differences >> > in >> > >> blood >> > >> >> degree >> > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my ancestors >> > >> listed. >> > >> >> I think >> > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their >> > >> Cherokee >> > >> >> pride. We >> > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most >> > were >> > >> just >> > >> >> trying to >> > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up poor >> > my >> > >> >> great >> > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness >> > and >> > >> >> accidents and on both >> > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I >> > think >> > >> it >> > >> >> has taken >> > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's and >> > I >> > >> are >> > >> >> the first >> > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Robin Smith >> > >> >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> > of >> > >> the >> > >> >> message >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > >> 'unsubscribe' >> > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> ------------------------------- >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> > the >> > >> message >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' >> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> > message >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > >

There are several Hensley's listed...see if you can make a connection. Carla http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalrolls/index.htm