Lathel, I know all about the Federal workings. I worked at the Archives here -vcolunteered- talked to Offices in Washington and in Fort Worth,. I have visited seveal State Libraries. As a matter of fact I get calls from all over even though I've been retired for sometime so I don't need any advice from anyone but thanks for your point of view. We have tons of stuff here at OHS. Oleta Benge Kite On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:44:38 -0400 "Lathel Duffield" <Lathel_Duf@msn.com> writes: > BIA and genealogical services > > The BIA is not a repository for historical records. Federal laws > require ALL federal agencies to prepare their records (documents, > etc.) so that when a case is closed, I.e. the documents are no > longer needed for current work, that the original records be > prepared for transfer to the National Archives and Record Services. > The time frame varies depending on the nature of the records but > definitely by the time the documents are 25 years old and the case > is closed, they become part of the legal possession of NARA. The > BIA does not have any claim to the records in spite of the fact that > agency may have created them. There is a transitional period for > more recent records that have been sent to NARA and while these more > recent records are housed by NARA use of the records requires > permission from the BIA. If a person is not a professional > researcher or has never worked with a Federal agency this transition > of documents from the creating agency to NARA is not generally > known. ! > NARA has to implement the privacy laws so more recent records with > personal information can not be distributed. > > There are other factors at work here. Office space as people know > is very expensive. To use such space for storage of "dead" records > places undue strain on an agency budgets. Agencies must rent space > in government buildings and trying to house the thousands of records > that have been created would wipe out the agencies budget. > Technically all the buildings are the responsibility of the > Government Services Administration who have the responsibility of > all Government properties. They have to maintain them, arrange > leases, etc. The costs of any move from one building to another > however is borne by the agency. This is very a person should rely > on NARA and not the BIA for any relevant documentation. > > Lathel Duffield > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan M<mailto:wb@wvi.com> > To: > indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootswe b.com> > > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:40 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting > informationaboutpetitionsof enrollm... > > > maybe ask for donations from those who care? Also. > Dan M > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <TopBranchW@aol.com<mailto:TopBranchW@aol.com>> > To: > <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootsw eb.com>> > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information > aboutpetitionsof enrollm... > > > > Hi, > > > > Perhaps if the BIA is having fiscal problems they might consider > offering > > genealogical services - for a price. So many people seem > interested. > And so > > many families have the lore of Indian ancestry. > > > > W.L. Barker > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS -request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS -request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Thank you for your responsible comments over the past few days. I just returned from our annual Labor Day Festival at our tribal council grounds, Tushkahoma, Ok. I believe that the achival records at OHS are among the best in this country and the staff as well as volunteers are most knowledgeable. Being born a Choctaw and knowledgeable about researching the tribes is something very familiar with me. Points of view are ok...but I'll stay with proven sources. Of course everyone is ebtitled to an opinion....Personally I like yours.... James Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting informationaboutpetitionsofenrollm... > Lathel, I know all about the Federal workings. I worked at the Archives > here -vcolunteered- talked to Offices in Washington and in Fort Worth,. I > have visited seveal State Libraries. As a matter of fact I get calls from > all over even though I've been retired for sometime so I don't need any > advice from anyone but thanks for your point of view. We have tons of > stuff here at OHS. Oleta Benge Kite > On Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:44:38 -0400 "Lathel Duffield" <Lathel_Duf@msn.com> > writes: >> BIA and genealogical services >> >> The BIA is not a repository for historical records. Federal laws >> require ALL federal agencies to prepare their records (documents, >> etc.) so that when a case is closed, I.e. the documents are no >> longer needed for current work, that the original records be >> prepared for transfer to the National Archives and Record Services. >> The time frame varies depending on the nature of the records but >> definitely by the time the documents are 25 years old and the case >> is closed, they become part of the legal possession of NARA. The >> BIA does not have any claim to the records in spite of the fact that >> agency may have created them. There is a transitional period for >> more recent records that have been sent to NARA and while these more >> recent records are housed by NARA use of the records requires >> permission from the BIA. If a person is not a professional >> researcher or has never worked with a Federal agency this transition >> of documents from the creating agency to NARA is not generally >> known. ! >> NARA has to implement the privacy laws so more recent records with >> personal information can not be distributed. >> >> There are other factors at work here. Office space as people know >> is very expensive. To use such space for storage of "dead" records >> places undue strain on an agency budgets. Agencies must rent space >> in government buildings and trying to house the thousands of records >> that have been created would wipe out the agencies budget. >> Technically all the buildings are the responsibility of the >> Government Services Administration who have the responsibility of >> all Government properties. They have to maintain them, arrange >> leases, etc. The costs of any move from one building to another >> however is borne by the agency. This is very a person should rely >> on NARA and not the BIA for any relevant documentation. >> >> Lathel Duffield >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dan M<mailto:wb@wvi.com> >> To: >> > indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootswe > b.com> >> >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting >> informationaboutpetitionsof enrollm... >> >> >> maybe ask for donations from those who care? Also. >> Dan M >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <TopBranchW@aol.com<mailto:TopBranchW@aol.com>> >> To: >> > <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootsw > eb.com>> >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 6:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information >> aboutpetitionsof enrollm... >> >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > Perhaps if the BIA is having fiscal problems they might consider >> offering >> > genealogical services - for a price. So many people seem >> interested. >> And so >> > many families have the lore of Indian ancestry. >> > >> > W.L. Barker >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS > -request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS > -request@rootsweb.com> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >