Joyce, Thank you, Kathy > > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2006/09/30 Sat AM 08:04:10 CDT > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > The Blankenships connect to the Brackett's who connect to the Rapers who > connect to the McDaniels who connect to the descendents of Nancy Ward > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <repete58@alltel.net> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > > > Oleta, > > I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted to > > ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas HENSLEY, his > > father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she was Della Jane > > JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. My gradmother was > > Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. BLANKENSHIP, his father was > > Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my grandfather had a card but he and his > > wife divorced years before his death and we are not able to find a copy of > > it. My question is where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a > > copy? > > > > I would be very grateful for any help you might give. > > Thank you, > > Kathy > >> > >> From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > >> Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT > >> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > >> Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many Cherokees > >> who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing our > >> dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James ,my > >> Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers stated he > >> was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a knock > >> on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His answer > >> was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to prove > >> it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a bayonet.I've got > >> copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's mom was > >> Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander on one > >> of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two was > >> Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my Uncle. > >> Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB because > >> like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you would put > >> it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I have > >> made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high > >> cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you should > >> have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my Dad's > >> father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta > >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" <patton14@crosstel.net> > >> writes: > >> > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , certainly > >> > not as > >> > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or your > >> > Cherokee > >> > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to this > >> > list.I was > >> > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply for > >> > a CDIB > >> > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a > >> > CDIB, I > >> > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for their > >> > own > >> > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended you. > >> > > >> > > >> > James > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > > >> > > >> > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. In > >> > my > >> > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My mother > >> > and my > >> > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are well > >> > known. > >> > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any requirement > >> > and my > >> > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired from > >> > the U. > >> > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with > >> > the > >> > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five years. > >> > You can > >> > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to > >> > check up > >> > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called a > >> > County > >> > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately > >> > that as > >> > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County I > >> > should > >> > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group but I > >> > guess > >> > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung around. > >> > Don > >> > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so I've > >> > had > >> > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you all > >> > the > >> > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well > >> > known > >> > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not > >> > important > >> > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked for > >> > but if > >> > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. I've > >> > been > >> > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have gotten > >> > the > >> > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite > >> > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" > >> > <patton14@crosstel.net> > >> > > writes: > >> > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of a > >> > >> response, but > >> > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your > >> > choice > >> > >> not to > >> > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements established > >> > by > >> > >> BIA > >> > >> and/or tribal membership department? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> James > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy in > >> > the > >> > >> East > >> > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many books > >> > >> and even > >> > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to be > >> > >> Guardian for > >> > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can > >> > guess > >> > >> what > >> > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage > >> > and > >> > >> she had a > >> > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this > >> > happened > >> > >> in the > >> > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies > >> > because > >> > >> the > >> > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than > >> > one > >> > >> fourth. I > >> > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State Indian > >> > >> Archives > >> > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes > >> > enrollment > >> > >> was > >> > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this was > >> > >> between > >> > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified from > >> > >> either > >> > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never > >> > gotten a > >> > >> CDIB > >> > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from Nancy > >> > Ward. > >> > >> I'm > >> > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: > >> > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of the > >> > >> Cherokee > >> > >> >> Nation > >> > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all have > >> > >> varying > >> > >> >> degrees of > >> > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have different > >> > >> blood > >> > >> >> degrees. > >> > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother > >> > that > >> > >> >> most were > >> > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really were > >> > >> because > >> > >> >> if you were > >> > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white overseer > >> > of > >> > >> >> your > >> > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since I > >> > am > >> > >> a > >> > >> >> descendant of Nancy > >> > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on my > >> > >> >> grandmother's side > >> > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see differences > >> > in > >> > >> blood > >> > >> >> degree > >> > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my ancestors > >> > >> listed. > >> > >> >> I think > >> > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their > >> > >> Cherokee > >> > >> >> pride. We > >> > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most > >> > were > >> > >> just > >> > >> >> trying to > >> > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up poor > >> > my > >> > >> >> great > >> > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness > >> > and > >> > >> >> accidents and on both > >> > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I > >> > think > >> > >> it > >> > >> >> has taken > >> > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's and > >> > I > >> > >> are > >> > >> >> the first > >> > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Robin Smith > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > >> > of > >> > >> the > >> > >> >> message > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> 'unsubscribe' > >> > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > >> > the > >> > >> message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubscribe' > >> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > >> > message > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >