Wowee Carla, ya do ask the 'ones.' >From my standpoint, my daddy said that he was 16th Indian and I was 32nd, But he never did explain who was what and from where comes. I have discovered thru our genealogy associations a whole lots of Indian Lore: My greatgrandmother, Nancy S. Bybee, was part Indian and was on her way to register in Atoka IT (OK), but greatgrandpa Wm Jackson Baker sd no no 'cause the Injuns were on the warpath down south of Antlers and he didn't want her to So....we didn't get on the DAWES Rolls. My grandpaw mar. Ellie Hoover in 1898 IT and she claimed Black Dutch...............My grandparents always lived in Choctaw Country (OKLA), but it has read that the Cherokees were famous (??) for claiming Black Dutch. My Ok cousin sez that we are Choctaw with no % nor history to back it up. So one of these days, I'll venture back into those hills and maybe find some Creditable marks sumwheres. Ken Baker, Santa Maria, CA -----Original Message----- From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lathel Duffield Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:24 PM To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure ----- Original Message ----- From: Carla B<mailto:soarsister@cableone.net> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.c om> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure Question on Dawes. What are the case # about and is there documents to be had regarding them? Also, if a family was MCR, yet without a doubt Indian, is there any other way to trace it, and how? If not for legalities in Tribal membership, then just for genealogy sake? Last Question, if a mother was Choctaw and the father was Cherokee, or visa versa, is there a way to deterime degree of Indian blood using the two combined or is each tribe individually considered? Carla ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-re quest@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

Ken have you looked here: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/finalindex.php There are a lot of Bakers there. Carla

and an Bybee, Ellis and DH, Rosa Champ, and Thelma Hoover and a Jackson Baker. Carla