This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of a response, but I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your choice not to apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements established by BIA and/or tribal membership department? James ----- Original Message ----- From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy in the East > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many books and even > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to be Guardian for > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can guess what > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage and she had a > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this happened in the > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies because the > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than one fourth. I > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State Indian Archives > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes enrollment was > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this was between > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified from either > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never gotten a CDIB > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from Nancy Ward. I'm > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of the Cherokee >> Nation >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all have varying >> degrees of >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have different blood >> degrees. >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother that >> most were >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really were because >> if you were >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white overseer of >> your >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since I am a >> descendant of Nancy >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on my >> grandmother's side >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see differences in blood >> degree >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my ancestors listed. >> I think >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their Cherokee >> pride. We >> have to remember that times were different back then most were just >> trying to >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up poor my >> great >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness and >> accidents and on both >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I think it >> has taken >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's and I are >> the first >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. >> >> Robin Smith >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >