filmo2@juno.com said- "Since you are so well versed in indian lore, maybe you can tell me what no one else could. Why is it that Chickasha ends in (A ) and doesn't follow the other endings like Konawa and Tonkawa and Tulsa" (AH) -------------------------------------------- I'm very surprised that you would ask me ANY question, considering that you voiced your opinion as to my "ignorance" in your last message to the mail list, but the answer to this question is so obvious that I couldn't resist! Could it "possibly" be because "Chickasha", being located in the CHICKASAW Nation (correctly spelled "CHICKASHA"), was spoken in a different LANGUAGE than the names of the other places that you mentioned? 'Konawa" was located in the Seminole Nation and was a Seminole/Muskogean word meaning "string of beads". "Tulsa" was located in the Creek Nation and was named for "Tulsey Town", an old Muskogean/Creek town back in their lands that became Alabama. "Konawa" was named for the Konawa Tribe- and you'll have to ask THEM the meaning because I do not speak their language! jc

Just a mite hard to argue with ignorance but it does help to know that the Cherokee were free to go where they wanted before the trail of tears and everyone knows the indians had a chief and don't get all hot and bothered about princess even tho I prefer maiden Just like the idiots that like to point out that the US of A is a republic and not a democracy and don't have the sense to know a republic is democratic . I did wander the Cherokee nation some and had some friends in Tulsa and Tonkawa and Konawa and other places so don't tell me about their actions toward ignorance. Only the half breeds did as you say 1st On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 0:43:26 -0500 <chasteen2@cox.net> writes: > filmo2@juno.com wrote: "Jerri, I am supposed to be part indian > because of some Chestine ancestor.<snip>" > and: > "William Walter Bibee in Cocke county TN, his grandfather was > married to a Cherokee princess in VA." > > Hate to "bust your bubble", guy-- but > (1) there was no such thing a "a Cherokee Princess" > and > (2) the Cherokees never inhabited any part of VA in recorded history > (or since 1545, whichever you choose to use!). > > Actually, if you had been raised here in the Cherokee Nation you > would know that to claim that you have "a Cherokee Princess" > ancestor is considered an insult (to our intelligence!)! Usually > the person that it is mentioned to will lower their eyes ("we will > not look upon the face of a liar") or give you the ultimate Cherokee > insult-- they will turn their back to you (same meaning)! > > Jerri Chasteen > Cherokee > Claremore OK > > >

Is there anyone on here connected to the family of : George W. Walker son of Thigh Carter Walker ? They lived in just outside Welch, Oklahoma in the late 1800's and early 1900's. My family and I visited the old Walker home, just down from the Walker Cemetery a few years ago and we made contact with a granddaughter of G.W. Walker. I have lost my information on how to contact her and would very much like to reach her again. She had so much history on the family and I have some questions I would like to ask. Mary Jane Davis was one of George W. Walkers wives . Their picture is in the Craig County book. I know this line of Walkers was connected to Jonathan Meigs, John Ross, the Vanns etc., but I just don't remember all of them. If anyone knows of this line of Walkers please contact me. Thanks, Rebecca

I forgot to reply to your interest in my name--- My Cherokee blood comes through the Brown, Vann, Rogers, Hicks, Horn, Dougherty, Youngdeer, and Matoy families. Mr. Chasteen- my deceased husband, was not Indian of any tribe-- he was "white". Jerri C. Claremore OK

filmo2@juno.com wrote: "Jerri, I am supposed to be part indian because of some Chestine ancestor.<snip>" and: "William Walter Bibee in Cocke county TN, his grandfather was married to a Cherokee princess in VA." Hate to "bust your bubble", guy-- but (1) there was no such thing a "a Cherokee Princess" and (2) the Cherokees never inhabited any part of VA in recorded history (or since 1545, whichever you choose to use!). Actually, if you had been raised here in the Cherokee Nation you would know that to claim that you have "a Cherokee Princess" ancestor is considered an insult (to our intelligence!)! Usually the person that it is mentioned to will lower their eyes ("we will not look upon the face of a liar") or give you the ultimate Cherokee insult-- they will turn their back to you (same meaning)! Jerri Chasteen Cherokee Claremore OK

Interesting what you see on the "IT Roots" Jerri, I am supposed to be part indian because of some Chestine ancestor. You may have corresponded with Barbara Peterson about this, but wondered if you know of any Chestine/Chasteen/Chastain or whatever spellling that met up with an indian princess some place. A gggreat uncle was Chestine Cline, his nephew was also Chestine and a local cousins father was Chestine. All from the Cline family but the connection was supposedly thru my Ruth ancestor. Maybe I am my own indian cousin. The early census didn't discriminate unless they were full blood. At least the ones I have checked. Try William Walter Bibee in Cocke county TN, his grandfather was married to a Cherokee "princess" in VA. Those folks (Indians) did wander around some. 1st On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:07:13 -0500 <chasteen2@cox.net> writes: > Betty said: "Looking for the mother of MARY M. KIZER. Mary was 1/2 > indian. Her father was Gaberial Kizer from Tenn. Someone has her > mother listed as Elizabeth Hancock.. born 1804 died 1845". <snip> > > Betty, > I would suggest that you check page 302C of the 1880 U.S. census > -Calhoon, Mclean Co KY for your Abney family. Mary M. and her > children are all shown as "white". > > Also check family 749 on the 1850 Lincoln Co TN census for the > Gabriel KYZER family: Gabriel (age 46); Jasper (age 12); Herod (age > 9); Alcey (age 7); Mary (age 6); and Nancy E, (age 5). Living next > door (family 748) are Gabriel's parents: Phillip KYZER (age 81) and > Anny (age 84). They are all shown as "white". > > I don't know where you got your information about your ancestor, > Mary M. being "a half-blood Indian", but she is not shown on any > Cherokee rolls or applications, and since she was 6 years old, all > of the census shows both she, her siblings, parent and grandparents > as "white". Her place of birth (Lincoln Co TN) is not within any > area that was inhabited by an Indian tribe. > > Best of luck in tracing your ancestry. > > Jerri Chasteen > Claremore > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For instructions to unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > List owner: jerri@cherokee.net Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ > > >

never fear, turns out a lot of Indians were putting white on the census, despite their Indian heritage, due to persecution perhaps...look on Indian census or some of the Rolls to verify the heritage. Carla

Betty said: "Looking for the mother of MARY M. KIZER. Mary was 1/2 indian. Her father was Gaberial Kizer from Tenn. Someone has her mother listed as Elizabeth Hancock.. born 1804 died 1845". <snip> Betty, I would suggest that you check page 302C of the 1880 U.S. census -Calhoon, Mclean Co KY for your Abney family. Mary M. and her children are all shown as "white". Also check family 749 on the 1850 Lincoln Co TN census for the Gabriel KYZER family: Gabriel (age 46); Jasper (age 12); Herod (age 9); Alcey (age 7); Mary (age 6); and Nancy E, (age 5). Living next door (family 748) are Gabriel's parents: Phillip KYZER (age 81) and Anny (age 84). They are all shown as "white". I don't know where you got your information about your ancestor, Mary M. being "a half-blood Indian", but she is not shown on any Cherokee rolls or applications, and since she was 6 years old, all of the census shows both she, her siblings, parent and grandparents as "white". Her place of birth (Lincoln Co TN) is not within any area that was inhabited by an Indian tribe. Best of luck in tracing your ancestry. Jerri Chasteen Claremore

Looking for the mother of MARY M. KIZER. MAry was 1/2 indian. Her father was Gaberial Kizer from Tenn. SOmeone has her mother listed as Elizabeth Hancock.. born 1804 died 1845. MAry was born 1844, died 1927. There is no info on her death cert. Mary was married to a Wilson, who was killed during the war, then married my ggrandfather, James Lewis Abney of BUtle Co. Ky. Have been looking for this for a long time. Can anyone help me or tell me where to look Thanks Betty Gray

Thank you for accepting me on the mailing list.I am doing research for a friend who does not have access to a pc. My friend is Cherokee,Choctaw-Apache. Any information on the following person will be appreciated. ANNIE BEAVERS. I found some names on the rolls that seem to match, but i am unsure. She was the great grand mother of my friend, and she died in Bakersfield California. All living family declare her to be a full blood Cherokee woman. Family oral history : She owned a house of prostitution--late 1800's--somewhere outside of Tulsa Oklahoma--there were stories about her in the local newspapers. Thank you, to all who search and share. W.Nelsen-California.

Looking for Zirish Mattox who married Joseph Puckett, ca. 1830. Known residenses;Tn. her birth place, Ind.Mo. I need the names of their children I think this Joseph Puckett ,is decended from Richard M. Puckett & Hannah Stuthard. Its a strong possibility that Zirish is of Indian blood. Can anybody help me? my e-mail is barb@pioneer-net.com .Thankyou, Barbara Stothers

Looking for info. on Madison Russell born in Tenn. about 1810 died 1863 in Indian T. wife Lucy Reese. Thanks Betty

Hi Cora, I checked on my Native American CD that has the Dawes Final Rolls. There are "14" Bull's listed. Do you have a first name? Kathy in Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "cora miller" <coram@cableone.net> To: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: [IT ROOTS] where do I find it > How do I find out which roll my ancestors may be On? > We suspect Choctaw as the name Bull and found a land paper for one of them > that was fromchoctaw land > > any help would be appreciated > I am blind and have problem navigating some websites. > cora Miller > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For instructions to unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > List owner: jerri@cherokee.net Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ >

How do I find out which roll my ancestors may be On? We suspect Choctaw as the name Bull and found a land paper for one of them that was fromchoctaw land any help would be appreciated I am blind and have problem navigating some websites. cora Miller

I'm searching for a needle in a haystack! I'm not even sure if I am writing to the appropriate list. I'm trying to find my great aunt who was orphaned and reportedly went with her adoptive/foster family from Limestone Co, AL, to Oklahoma Territory between 1892 and probably 1900. Her birth name was Anis Verona GRISHAM b 1886 Limestone Co, AL. Since she was 5 years old when she was orphaned, I'm assuming she would have kept her given name, but have no clue about her surname. If she was adopted, then she would have been given her adoptive family's name. I found a female in the 1910 Canadian Co, OK, census who fits her profile so I am trying to find out additional info on the Anna in the following family: El Reno Township, Dist 90 CANTRELL, Aaron T Head m w 33 M10 MS MS* MS* Anna V wife f w 27 M10 AL MS* MS* Herman son m w 6/12 S OK MS AL *Based on later census years in Garvin Co, I believe these should be AL. In addition, later census years show her mother living in the household as Mary TODD b abt 1857 AL. Can someone please use any resources you may have to do a lookup for any of the above names? Any suggestions where I need to search? Thanks so much! Sandra

with out knowing which roll his number came from I checked the miller roll and 4821 had george p. samuels. page 260. sam jordan on miller roll had number 33443 on page 161 in i.t.[okla]. do you have is parents names? if he was born in 1912 his parents would have been the ones to qualify on the other rolls.and he would be listed with the family. the baker in 1924 has 12 jordans, none 12 yrs old and no sam or david. I did find a samuel jordan with the application number 4821 for the old settlers roll.[1896] [cherokee] [okla] other jordans with the same application number: noah sr and noah jr,thomas franklin,william. you can get the applications [copies] thru the national archives in fort worth microfilmM1650. hope this helps I didn't seee if the applications were denied or granted. good luck patti Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 77 Today's Topics: #1 looking for ancestors ["cora miller" ] Administrivia: ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to: Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com Include only one word in the body of the message: unsubscribe ______________________________Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 19:41:07 -0600 From: "cora miller" <coram@cableone.net> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: looking for ancestors I am looking for my ancestors who may have been cherokee blood. They originally were in North Carolina. Several were alloted lands I think in Ark. All I hve is legal discription but no state or county. One of my my relatives has a roll number? 4821 his name was Samuel David Jordan d.Nov. 7,1912 not sure which roll or where he lived. I am blind and I have to use my computer for accessing recrds I haven'tfound any online records yet. Cora Miller --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year.

I am looking for my ancestors who may have been cherokee blood. They originally were in North Carolina. Several were alloted lands I think in Ark. All I hve is legal discription but no state or county. One of my my relatives has a roll number? 4821 his name was Samuel David Jordan d.Nov. 7,1912 not sure which roll or where he lived. I am blind and I have to use my computer for accessing recrds I haven'tfound any online records yet. Cora Miller

OH! Now I see. I never clicked the link to ~cherokee/welcome because I thought it must be for another list that the owner might run -- I had no idea it was for this very differently named list. I've been searching and searching the Rootsweb site trying to find this page. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerri Chasteen" <chasteen2@cox.net> To: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: [IT ROOTS] Need a link please > PKH said- "Could someone plaese send me a link to the rules of this mail > list and the web address? > > The links and my e-mail address are at the bottom of each message that > you have ever gotten from this mail list. > > Jerri Chasteen > List Mistress > Indian Territory Roots > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For instructions to unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > List owner: jerri@cherokee.net Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ > >

My computer hard drive crashed and all my "favorite places" got erased. Could someone plaese send me a link to the rules of this mail list and the web address? Thank you in advance. Patty

PKH said- "Could someone plaese send me a link to the rules of this mail list and the web address? The links and my e-mail address are at the bottom of each message that you have ever gotten from this mail list. Jerri Chasteen List Mistress Indian Territory Roots