I'm looking for the Clevenger family originally from Big Cabin, OK. Sherry

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I got your e Mail, I do not know why? I have no relation named Poore

Hi, My name is Mary Beth Bearden. I am in search of Indian ancestors. I am told that I am part Cherokee but was never told for sure by which ancestor, although it is believed to be Winthrop Franklin Poore. My siblings and I as well as Mom and Grandma (deceased) do have the Indian look so I believe it. Here are names and dates of family that may possibly be the ancestor: Samuel Hastings Smith, b. June 16, 1815 in Vermont. Married Jane Stone, b. September 29, 1817 in New York. Their daughter Emily Augusta Smith b. October 6, 1856 in Iowa was my great great grandmother. The other side of my family had the last name of Poore or Poore. My great grandfather was Winthrop Franklin Poore, b. Sept. 13, 1879 in Concordia, Cloud County, KS. His wife Irene Hazel Pixley, b. June 20, 1880 in Grant, Jewell County, KS. Winthrop Franklin who went by Frank - his mother was Angelia Nicea Roberts, b. Feb. 25, 1850 in Hartford, Washington County, Wisconsin. Angelia's mother was Priscilla Meador and was called an OddFellow woman of which I have no idea what that means but I do know that Priscilla was born in Canada about 1825 and died in Cloud County, KS on Feb. 27, 1893. Angelia's father was Joshua Roberts, b. March 27, 1820 in Bergens, Vermont and died in Sibley, Cloud Count, KS Sept. 29, 1908. If anyone has already researched any of these folks, please let me know. And am always happy for advice in my hunting. Blessings, Mary Beth Bearden

julie wrote: "Are there any birth records available for the Illinios District? <snip>" Sorry, Julie- there are none. Even in most parts of the United States (which "Indian Territory" was not part of), birth records were not required by law until about 1907. Even then, the laws were not really enforced until ablut 1917. If the parents were Cherokee, you might find a listing of the child on the 1880 Cherokee Roll. If they were not Cherokee, then the Cherokee Nation would be quite foolish to take upon themselves the responsibility of recording the birth of the child of a non-citizen family, who were most likely living in the Nation as Illegal Intruders. jc

Are there any birth records available for the Illinios District? I am interested in any information that I can get about this area. I believe that my great grandmother was born in the Illinois District in 1866. Thank you for any help! Julie

http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/rolls.htm

I am looking for MAry Kizer, but also on my fathers side, his mother had indian blood. Moses Daughtery wife was Cherokee Indian. MOses was born in 1800, died in 1850. They had at least 2 daughters, Keziah and Nancy. After she died ,he remarried. Moses was suppose to have run a trading post in Ohio Co.,Ky in the 1800's. HAve no info at all on his wifes name or birth. If anyone can help I would appericate it. Thanks Betty Gray

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YOU GO NAN Wado Words well spoken Dawn{Morningstar}Trent

I agree with Jerri C. that Cherokee princess is not a real term historically. What happened with that term culturally was two-fold. On the one hand, it was derogatory and insulting in its ignorance. On the other hand, and important for many folks who begin a genealogical quest to discover an ancestress, it was given as the family title of a great-great-great-grandmother in family stories we heard as small children with wonder and awe. It is hard for the latter group to think of this as a "bad" or "rude" term. Most know there were no princesses. But I don't think my mother or grandmother were "lying" when they said we had a relative of this wonderful tribe. They meant no harm, but only love and pride in the woman's courage to follow their her into another (European) culture. So, as in most historical matters, it's a "both/and". The erroneous term means a real person for many of us. For me, it was Elouise Debbyanne Bennett who was, I believe, part Cherokee. Can't prove it, but I don't imagine that my grandparents lied to me about it. Why would they in the 1950's and earlier? Take care, all. Susan -- ============================================================================= Susan Werstein Phone: (03) 467-5632 Country code: 64 8 Lothian St. Dunedin, New Zealand E-Mail: werstein@es.co.nz =============================================================================

On the Trail of Tears none of the wagon leaders kept a roster of names of people on their train. They kept numbers of how many started and how many there were at the end of the Trail. Also how many died, were born or are missing. I know that I have been looking for to find out which of mine were on what Train. The government passed out transportaion and subsistance money at the end of the trail. These lists were reproduced in a series of booklets put out by Marybelle Chase in the Cherokee Tracer. They were scattered thoughout the series. She is no longer publishing this series. You cans order back issues from her. The series ran from 1991-2005 four times a year. The series also covered orther subjects other than the above. But there is a book called Cherokee Claims by Dawn C. Stricklin and she does the same thing but does not give as much info as Marybell does is her series. She does give the Microfilm number so you can orger the film and then you can look up your ancestor and see is he or she recieved transportation and subsistance money. I found the book on the net. It is not expensive and is a soft cover book. In my opinion that is is an important tool for those looking for their ancestors to made the t rip west on the Trail of Tears. It has an index in the back so people are not hard to find. I cannot do lookups because I have poor eyesight. Putting this message on in hope that it will help someone who is looking for this kind of info. Glee

> I don't know where you got your information about your ancestor, > Mary M. being "a half-blood Indian", but she is not shown on any > Cherokee rolls or applications, and since she was 6 years old, all > of the census shows both she, her siblings, parent and grandparents > as "white". Her place of birth (Lincoln Co TN) is not within any > area that was inhabited by an Indian tribe. > > Best of luck in tracing your ancestry. > > Jerri Chasteen Hello fellow researchers, I don't wish to get into a "war of keyboards" with any one of this list, but I do want to correct the erroneous statement above. Lincoln Co., TN was indeed an area inhabited by Indian tribes. If you will read the history of Lincoln County, you will find that the Cherokees and Chickasaws ceded the land that comprises Lincoln County in 1806. (For clarification ... the word "ceded" is defined as assigning, transferring, withdrawing, yielding or granting, typically by treaty.) I didn't want any one on this list to be misled into thinking that Lincoln County, TN, and indeed the whole state of Tennessee (almost every county) isn't rich with the history of Indian inhabitants. Speaking for myself alone, I am honored to have "native bloodlines" originating in TN, KY and NC. As for "a half-blood Indian" being listed on the census records as "white", I feel sure that there were many such indiscretion s on the census, my own Gr-Gr-Gr-Grandmother included. Also, for further clarification, the history of The United States would show that traditionally the Cherokees had lived in villages in the southern Appalachians - present-day Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee, western North Carolina, and South Carolina, northern Georgia, and northeastern Alabama. As I said, I don't wish to get into "keyboard antics" with any one of the list. After all, isn't the purpose of the list to help each of us find leads to our heritage? And to help each other, as much a possible, to uncover the bits of information that will aid our searches in a positive way? I didn't join any mail list I'm on to have to filter through the "keyboard antics" of a few. It seems to me that if we are to uncover the truth of our heritage, then we must also be willing to research "history" as well as surnames. Nan

OK NOW LADIES!!!!! Lets keep our little cat fights to our selves. Those of us that receive your mailings,also, would like to read about our ancestors and not your little juvenile stuped remarks, it clutters our boards. Chuck Henderson Researching: Henderson, Hendrickson, Marryott, Shellhorn and many.many others. The Cat fight: Is that directed to me? I find the line in the messages confusing, on who is talking to who. If it is to me you have misunderstood and I will remove myself from the group if that is how my conversation was read by all. Sorry,but I was just offering info.... ~~~~~~~~~~ Mmmm ... I don't think so. I'm not 52, 53 on August 7th, for nothing. I know what claws look like and yours are some of the biggest I've ever seen. If you can't overlook a minor "transgression" (i.e. people mistakingly believing that there was such a thing as an Indian princess), and correcting them with courtesy and respect, how do you handle the big things in life? ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== For instructions to unsubscribe and list rules, click on http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html List owner: jerri@cherokee.net Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/

Too bad it's not more instructive with less vitriol. GMF On ne donne rien si librement que ses conseils. -- <chasteen2@cox.net> wrote: ---- James Brown <patton14@crosstel.net> wrote: "Jerri! I applaud your response to this matter of "Princess" <snip>. Thanks for the support, James-- , but it's doubtful that those who are not REAL native Americans would understand how deeply we feel about "honor". -- but the subject sure woke up this dead mail list, huh!!!! <grin> Jerri ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== For instructions to unsubscribe and list rules, click on http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html List owner: jerri@cherokee.net Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/

Thanks for all the emails in answer to my email. My father was alive before MAry died and he saw her. He said she was Indian. Also I have two pictures of Mary, You can tell by the pictures she is Indian.. I heard lots of stories about her, but no one knew her mother or what tribe she was from. All my dads family is dead, but when I ask they didn;t know anything. One of the pictures I have is MAry sitting in a rocking chair smoking a stone pipe. Thanks for all the help Betty

Jerri....I agree with my son, Joshie, It would be nice if a more detailed informative sheet came with the CD or an available website. Especially for the cost of this item. I appreciate your prompt responses. James Brown