I too have Cox,that go with McClain,McKay McDaniel others Trail of Tears(mississippi-all the way to Ok),i wish you luck,this White gal dont feel that way wouldnt bother me a bit to have Black in my family,and i probably do...Tammy oklahoma I too have heard term Black Dutch ..what is this?

I never heard of this person. Thorntons lived in Fort Gibson and my parents knew them. Might have been some kin. Oleta On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:57:19 -0500 "Dorothy G" <dottur@ptsi.net> writes: > Do you know who Nepoleon Boneparte Thornton's parents were? I am > working on > the (Cherokee) Thornton line and hopefully we can connect our > Thornton's? > Sincerely, > Dorothy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DocJeep371@aol.com> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:53 AM > Subject: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information about > petitions > ofenrollment > > > >I have traced my ancestory back to Trader John Benge who was > married to > > Warteh of the Red Paint Clan around 1861. A decendent of his > Nepoleon > > Boneparte > > Thornton applied for enrollment along with several of his siblings > on > > petition #4301. How do I find out the results of this petition? > His > > Indian blood > > may have been through the Sarah Fielder side of the family or > from a > > claim of > > Cherokee by marriage through John Benge. Any help out there for > this? > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Have you tried ordering any papers from anyone? There are plenty of papers out there that tell you all kinds of things. Oleta On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:53:53 -0700 (PDT) L Green <beech1007@sbcglobal.net> writes: > My grandfather came out of IT... he said his children were part > Cherokee (some say Choctaw)... he is in AR by 1884, but where did he > come from? > > They are listed in the 1900 census Garland Co, AR Hot Springs > Township as follows: > Roach, James M. b. 12/1866 age 33m. 15 years b Indian Territory > Henrietta, wife, b. 8/1863 age 28 born in TN > Ida Bell, dau. b. 4/1887, age 13 born in AR > David C., son b. 5/1889, age 11, born in AR > Jesse A., son, b. 11/1891, age 8 born in AR > William M., son, born 4/1895, age 5, born in AR > Pessie Lee, dau. born 1/1893, age 7, born in AR > John S., son, born 8/1898, age 1, born in AR > Boyd, Alford W., brother b. 3/1872, age 28, single, born TN [common > laborer] > Boyd, Fannie M., mother b. 9/1841, age 54, widow, had 7 children, 5 > living born in TN > listed as housekeeper. > > 1910 census of Garland Co > ROACH, JAMES 50 married 1 time 25 yrs. b OK, parents b OK > Henrietta E. (Boyd) 40 married 1 time 25 yrs. 10 children born, > 6 > living b TN parents b TN > Ida dau 23 single b AR, Father b OK, mother b TN > Dave son 21 single b " " " " > " > Will son 15 single b " " " " > Sam son 13 single b " " " " > " > Pearl dau. 8 single b " " " " > Jim son 6 single b " " " " > > He has left IT before the rolls... where does one search? He might > have been from an "Intruder" family, although one census indicates > his parents were from OK. That would be 1830 1845... who was there > then? > > I am thinking we may never know the answers. > > L Green > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Jean-Somebody is a dumb so and so. My Grandmother was a Black Dutch. their family was from Illinois I think .I had this thoroughly explained to me by a person at OHS but did not write it down so have forgotten. I don't think anyone would have admitted to being Black Dutch rather than admit they were Indian.My Grandmother had coal black hair, olive skin, big brown eyes. It certainly was not to hide any Indian Heritage because my Grandfather was an Indian. My Grandmother's family were on their way from maybe Kentucky when she was born. I've been a Cherokee all my life and I've never heard that one. Also, one thing I do know is that anyone claiming to be Indian always says Cherokee. I think I'll call Bill at OHS Archives and get him to explain that to me again. I live in Okla. City. Where are you? Oleta Benge Kite On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:32:53 -0500 "Jean Cloke" <gjcloke@msn.com> writes: > Hi, I am new to the list. I find this discussion fascinating. I live > in Oklahoma in the part that was Indian Territory and have been > interested in the history of the Native American tribes that were > moved to this area for a long time. I have done some research, but > still don't feel I have even a rudimentary understanding. Some of > you seem to have more knowledge about this. > > As mentioned, some families said they were Black Dutch in order to > hide their Indian heritage. My family was one of them. My paternal > grandmother told us we were Black Dutch. She even had a wooden shoe > that someone had bought as a souvenir somewhere, so I was totally > sure we had Dutch ancestors until the late 1980's. I had already > started doing some research and couldn't find anything about what > part of Holland the Black Dutch were from. I had the opportunity to > met a Dutch missionary who visited our church and asked him. He had > no idea what I was talking about and told me there was no such thing > as Black Dutch. After more research I found out that it was a cover > for being Indian. We had also been told we had some Indian, probably > Cherokee. It seems that as it became less taboo to be Indian, the > family finally began admitting it, but later generations knew so > little that the tribal affiliation had been lost during the years > they were trying to keep it a secret. So now I'm tr! > ying to figure out what tribe or tribes and have had no luck on the > rolls. > > This discussion on where tribes were during what period is helpful. > My ancestors that supposedly married into Indian tribes were from > Germany originally. The Dibler's came through Pennsylvania (1700's- > Abt. 1855), Ohio (Abt. 1859-1866), Indiana (1867-1870's), Arkansas > (1880-1896/7), and Oklahoma/Indian Territory (1897/8-present). > > My other branch, the Sigman's immigrated from Germany in 1738 to > Pennsylvania, by the early 1790's they were in Lincoln Co., NC. They > moved around some in NC, then to Rockcastle Co., KY (1840's-50's), > Linn Co., KS (1850's-1870), Benton Co., AR (1870's-present) where > Rhoda Ann Sigman married William Geo. Dibler in 1884. They came to > Oklahoma in about 1902. Some of the Dibler's were already here at > that time. > > Anyone have any ideas about what tribes they might be based on the > area's where they lived? Pictures & history of both branches from my > grandmother indicates the intermarriage was long before they got to > Oklahoma/Indian Territory. I have considered Cherokee, Choctaw, and > Seminole, but open to ideas. > > Have a good day, > Jean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: HealTheCircle@aol.com<mailto:HealTheCircle@aol.com> > To: > indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootswe b.com> > > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:01 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Hello everyone > > > What's rather interesting about the Cherokee, is that at one time, > they WERE > part of the Iroquois Confederacy (6 Eastern Tribes). I would > guess...this > was earlier than the 1770's. This was when the Chickamaugan > Cherokee withdrew > from the other Cherokee, because of their ceding of land to the > whites. > So...the ceding of land, and intermarriages had already begun by > that time. Fron > what I can tell, the early settlers, were folks who worked in fur > > trade...which brought them in very close contact with the natives > in the area where the > Cherokee lived. The first settlers lived with the native people, > married > into the tribe, and were considered part of the tribe. > > I would also read James Mooney's book...about the Cherokee > previous to the > intermarrying with the white culture. I think the name of the > book is > "History, Myths, and Secret Formulas of the Cherokee." > > One other point I'd like to make...which I am willing to hear > other > perceptions on...is that in the 1830's when the removal began > (referred to as the > Trail of Tears)....some native families who were involved in that > (Cherokee, > Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek), instructed their > children to not admit > native blood, to escape the removal. There is talk of admitting > "black > dutch", "black irish", or sometimes "italian" or "greek" instead > of native. > This is understandable if you view the horror, loss of life, etc., > that this > removal perpetrated. There are museums at the Western and > Eastern Cherokee > Nations that depict this removal. > > Also, previous to this in about 1817, there was a "Massacre of 100 > Women and > Children", of the Chickamaugan Cherokee, not far from Ross's > Landing, in > what is now Chattanooga, TN. on their way to safety. The > instruction by their > Chief was to save the rest of the children, by sending them off > with others, > non native, to be raised as other than native (my history....on my > Mitchell > family). My family found them at a campground in what is now the > Chattanooga > area, and took them West with them to Henryville, TN....as their > children. > There they intermarried with other families who also had native > in their > background. From there they traveled to AR. > > So....it is possible that people, with native blood, could have > ended up, in > areas that were not designated, as the areas in which those tribes > lived (as > a tribe). > > These brief descriptions of history (of which I am a novice) only > were cited > to show that there events previous to the birth times of her > people, that > could have brought a person who was not a "fullblood" into an > area.....but the > native blood would still have been present, even if there was > intermarriage. > > jes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS -request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Ken, The Benges were white . Our Indian Blood started when Colonel John Lowrey married Ga-loo-agee-(etc) not sure of all the spelling unless I drag out papers. Colonel John was white also. Yes I've got Uncle Thomas' family too and Abel Spark. My Grandfather and his brother maried the Lowrey sisters and they were Cherokeeso this is part of the Benges being Cherokee. My family came o ver the Trail of Tears and my cousin John Benge was Commander of one of the Wagons. He was one half Cherokee. Oleta E. Benge KiteOn Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:01:39 -0700 "Ken Baker" <Kenebaker@comcast.net> writes: > Interesting, in that I have a BENGE, "...Abel Sparks (the elder) > married > Elizabeth Benge. She was the daughter of Thomas Benge of Wilkes > County, > North Carolina, as is proved by the will of Thomas Benge dated > January 21, > 1811...." > In following Abel Sparks (my grgrgr)there were Iriah b. 1797 NC; > Citizen > Napoleon Bonapart Sparks b. 1841; Rueben 1877 GA(my grandfather). > I have read about BENGE, which one I don't remember but there was > Indian > Relationship. > > Contact me at 'kenebaker@comcast.net' > > -----Original Message----- > From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > DocJeep371@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:53 AM > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information about > petitions > ofenrollment > > I have traced my ancestory back to Trader John Benge who was married > to > Warteh of the Red Paint Clan around 1861. A decendent of his > Nepoleon > Boneparte > Thornton applied for enrollment along with several of his siblings > on > petition #4301. How do I find out the results of this petition? > His > Indian blood > may have been through the Sarah Fielder side of the family or from > a claim > of > Cherokee by marriage through John Benge. Any help out there for > this? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: > 8/31/2006 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

In the first place her name is Wurteh.You did not apply for an enrollmetn-if you were Cherkee (and you had to prove it) you went in and enrolled. Sarah's nme is Fields and she was whiteNo one could claim Oleta KiteIndian Blood from John Benge-he too was white. On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:53:25 EDT DocJeep371@aol.com writes: > I have traced my ancestory back to Trader John Benge who was married > to > Warteh of the Red Paint Clan around 1861. A decendent of his > Nepoleon Boneparte > Thornton applied for enrollment along with several of his siblings > on > petition #4301. How do I find out the results of this petition? > His Indian blood > may have been through the Sarah Fielder side of the family or from > a claim of > Cherokee by marriage through John Benge. Any help out there for > this? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Check out things on this site... www.okhistory.org then click on RESEARCH in the top bar... the portal into the online card catalogue is right under the Researching Oklahoma History logo in the center of the page click on NEW ONLINE CATALOGUE then select whether you want to search holdings of the Archives, Library Catalogue or Newspaper Articles. This was listed in the CLEVELAND COUNTY GENEALOGY SOCIETY newsletter....July-Sep 2006.

Jes, I don't know where you got all this but I am a Cherokee and my people came over on the Trail of Tears. I was reared to know I was a Cherokee. You also need to read The Cherokees by Grace Woodward plus History of the Cherokees. You should also take what you read with a grain of salt. Too many idiots do not know a thing they are writing about. One good instance when an old boy in the East wrote this article about who Sequoyah married. Had this been true the gal was Sequoyah's sister. He is my cousin. People on the Internet list people stating they are kin and all this too if nonsense. You can contact the BIA plus you can order many documents but that will cost money. Those out there who think they are gonna dig up proof on Obadiah being in Rev. War are wasting their time. I've put my money where my mouth is and have had manya talk with Washingtonand have documented evidence, plus I think sometime I'm related to every Cherokee out there. Oleta E. Benge Kite On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:01:12 EDT HealTheCircle@aol.com writes: > What's rather interesting about the Cherokee, is that at one time, > they WERE > part of the Iroquois Confederacy (6 Eastern Tribes). I would > guess...this > was earlier than the 1770's. This was when the Chickamaugan > Cherokee withdrew > from the other Cherokee, because of their ceding of land to the > whites. > So...the ceding of land, and intermarriages had already begun by > that time. Fron > what I can tell, the early settlers, were folks who worked in fur > trade...which brought them in very close contact with the natives > in the area where the > Cherokee lived. The first settlers lived with the native people, > married > into the tribe, and were considered part of the tribe. > > I would also read James Mooney's book...about the Cherokee previous > to the > intermarrying with the white culture. I think the name of the book > is > "History, Myths, and Secret Formulas of the Cherokee." > > One other point I'd like to make...which I am willing to hear other > > perceptions on...is that in the 1830's when the removal began > (referred to as the > Trail of Tears)....some native families who were involved in that > (Cherokee, > Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, and Creek), instructed their children > to not admit > native blood, to escape the removal. There is talk of admitting > "black > dutch", "black irish", or sometimes "italian" or "greek" instead of > native. > This is understandable if you view the horror, loss of life, etc., > that this > removal perpetrated. There are museums at the Western and Eastern > Cherokee > Nations that depict this removal. > > Also, previous to this in about 1817, there was a "Massacre of 100 > Women and > Children", of the Chickamaugan Cherokee, not far from Ross's > Landing, in > what is now Chattanooga, TN. on their way to safety. The > instruction by their > Chief was to save the rest of the children, by sending them off with > others, > non native, to be raised as other than native (my history....on my > Mitchell > family). My family found them at a campground in what is now the > Chattanooga > area, and took them West with them to Henryville, TN....as their > children. > There they intermarried with other families who also had native in > their > background. From there they traveled to AR. > > So....it is possible that people, with native blood, could have > ended up, in > areas that were not designated, as the areas in which those tribes > lived (as > a tribe). > > These brief descriptions of history (of which I am a novice) only > were cited > to show that there events previous to the birth times of her people, > that > could have brought a person who was not a "fullblood" into an > area.....but the > native blood would still have been present, even if there was > intermarriage. > > jes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. I'm not really sure if my Cox ancestors journeyed along "The Trail of Tears", but I do know that they had lived in Indian Territory, and subsequently Oklahoma, for many, many years. That is why even though I knew nothing about them, other than my great-grandfather's name was Jackson Cox, I was able to successfully trace them back to my great-great-grandparents, Dave and Mary Cox, because they are still there to this day. I do know that my father's mother's (Doll Susan Mayes) family moved to Oklahoma of their own accord in order to escape the Ku Klux Klan who were quickly becoming a force to be reckoned with in Tennessee. In any case, I HAVE made contact with my Cox family in Oklahoma. As previously stated, however, the wife of my actual relative chooses not to keep in contact with me. Frankly, not to be unkind because I, too, am half-black and half-white, I have grown to expect this kind of behavior from white women where their black husbands/partners are concerned. They seemed to feel threatened by everything and everybody. I have seen this jealous and turf-protection behaviour many, many, many times within my own family. In any case, there are still a few questions I have that she would not or could not answer, such as what happened to my grandfather's two half-brothers. That was one of the pleasant surprises that awaited me when I first began researching my Oklahoma ancestors. I had no idea that Jackson Cox had been married before he married my great-grandmother, Ole Ruffin, let alone that he had had two sons by her. I don't care if my great-uncles ended up on America's ten most-wanted list in their time - I just want to know more about them. I do know that they served in World War I. Perhaps they were casualties of that war - I just don't know. I can't help but wonder how they felt when their little brother was so permanently removed from their lives when my grandfather's mother and grandparents decided to leave Oklahoma and emigrate to Canada. So, I'm not really searching for my roots; I'm just trying to fill in some of the blanks. However, I thank you for taking the time to respond to my query. The kindness of the American people - which continues to belie the way they are portrayed in the movies and on television - never ceases to amaze me. Maybe it's because those of us who choose to be "keepers of the past", or family historians, truly are a special breed. God bless you. Ms. Kelly Tyler -----Original Message----- From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joyce G. Reece Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:39 AM To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Cox Family - Atoka City and Stringtown,Oklahoma One of the most knowledgeable people I have ever communicated with concernine the African-American & Native American history and lineages is Mr. Preston who is on Dan's Cherokee Genealogy list. CherokeeGene-request@rootsweb.com There are also links to some sites on my McMinn web site at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 LINKS Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: <HealTheCircle@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Cox Family - Atoka City and Stringtown,Oklahoma > Have you read the history of the tribes (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, > Seminole, and Creek) who made the Trail of Tears journey; specifically > with regard to the Dawes role...and the entering of african american > slaves brought to OK by those tribes. > > I don't know if your people were part of that history or not. But....if > you > study the history of the Dawes...and the fact that the US Government > required the individual tribes to include these freed slaves on their > tribal listings. That could fill in some blanks for you. > > I would also think that if you search on the "african-native american" > you might find all sorts of sites....and organizations specifically > interested in the same thing you are. > > It has been my understanding that it has been even more difficult for > this intermarrying to find information...than it was for the caucasian > and native american intermarrying. I think that perhaps both the > native american and african american were separated, and names changed > for the same reasons....the genocide that was being perpetrated > against their people. So...tracing is sometimes more difficult in > that situation. > > So....I wish you luck. > > jes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: > 8/31/2006 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006

One of the most knowledgeable people I have ever communicated with concernine the African-American & Native American history and lineages is Mr. Preston who is on Dan's Cherokee Genealogy list. CherokeeGene-request@rootsweb.com There are also links to some sites on my McMinn web site at www.rootsweb.com/~tnmcmin2 LINKS Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: <HealTheCircle@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Cox Family - Atoka City and Stringtown,Oklahoma > Have you read the history of the tribes (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, > Seminole, and Creek) who made the Trail of Tears journey; specifically > with regard > to the Dawes role...and the entering of african american slaves brought > to > OK by those tribes. > > I don't know if your people were part of that history or not. But....if > you > study the history of the Dawes...and the fact that the US Government > required the individual tribes to include these freed slaves on their > tribal > listings. That could fill in some blanks for you. > > I would also think that if you search on the "african-native american" you > might find all sorts of sites....and organizations specifically interested > in > the same thing you are. > > It has been my understanding that it has been even more difficult for this > intermarrying to find information...than it was for the caucasian and > native > american intermarrying. I think that perhaps both the native american and > african american were separated, and names changed for the same > reasons....the > genocide that was being perpetrated against their people. So...tracing is > sometimes more difficult in that situation. > > So....I wish you luck. > > jes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/435 - Release Date: 8/31/2006 > >

Hi, There is two lists you'll need to join. Lewis-request@rootsweb.com and Benge-request@rootsweb.com There is a Cherokee connection between the Benge's and Lewis'es....there are possible others. You will learn what you need there. The Mullins surname is, at least partially, Melungeon. You'll need to study more on the Huguenot heritage. Many of the Huguenot's came out of Ireland as well. Study the history of the religion itself also. Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane and Rick Beesley" <beesley601@cox.net> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS Digest, Vol 1,Issue 1 > Hello to all the wonderful people trying to sew a quilt of many patches > (ancestors) to cover a proud Nation with many colors (nationalities). > Knowing the blood of our ancestors makes for a strong family. > > I am trying to locate information on possible Native American heritage. > My grandmother and great grandmother had customs that may have been passed > down to hide their Native American background which was rumored but never > proven. My grandparents were very intent on never letting the sun brown > them and would wear long sleeves, bonnets, etc., on the hottest summer > days in Northern Alabama. My grandmother had olive skin and facial > features of Native Americans. > > Query: Can anyone give me any info on the Cherokee Tribe that lived at the > "Peaks of Otter" in Bedford Co. VA in the late 1700's or early 1800's? > > One branch of my ancestors were French Huguenots and arrived in Virginia > in the 1600s and migrated to North Carolina, Wayne County, KY and then to > Lawrence/Cullman Counties, AL. My Ancestors are as follows: > 1.. Abraham Des Moulin (senior) and Madelaine Chupret Bobt (French > Huguenots) Father and mother of: > 2.. Abraham Des Moulin: born 1665 in Paris, France, and died 1743 in > Perquimans Co., NC. his Wife Rachel BRORET, 27 DEC 1699, in L'Eglise > Francais Des Greces-London, England. born ABT 1680 in France, and died > AFT 1722 in Perquimans Co., NC---------And they begat the following: > Have you seen any similar names of the following on Native American Rolls? > 1.. Hannah Rednap B: 1642 Lynn,Essex,Massachusetts,USA D: 1678-12-02 > Perquimans,,North Carolina,USA > 1.. Jacob Mullins, (1708 in Manakintown, Goochland, VA, USA) > Spouse: Sarah Nicholson,(1708, Perquimans Co., NC) > b.. Thomas Mullins (1730, Perquimans Co., NC) > Spouse: Margaret (LNU) > c.. Isaac Mullins (1773, VA) > Spouse: Mary Cocke (b 1773, VA) > d.. Eleanor Mullins (b. 1797, Wayne Cty, KY) > Spouse: Isaac Johnson (b 1787, Wayne Cty, KY) > e.. Charles Mullen Johnson ( b. 1816 Lawrence Cty, AL--Northern AL) > Spouse: Nancy Suggs (b 1826 ?, Lawrence Cty, AL--Northern AL) > f.. Lucinda Lewis (b. approx 1812?) married John R. Black, (Lawrence > Cty, AL--Northern AL) > 7.. Nancy Ann Johnson(1861) and John L. Black (1864) (Lawrence Cty, > AL--Northern AL) > > > http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/pedigree.aspx?pid=-2125273391&tid=21929 > > > > If I can help anyone, please let me know --- I'm learning everyday how to > look up ancestors. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Diane > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <indian-territory-roots-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:02 AM > Subject: INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Hello everyone (Mary Beth) >> 2. MERRITT SPINNING (GMF) >> 3. Re: Hello everyone (Janbinn@aol.com) >> 4. Re: Hello everyone (Janbinn@aol.com) >> 5. (no subject) (Janbinn@aol.com) >> 6. Re: (no subject) (Donna) >> 7. Re: Clevenger (KDSGON@aol.com) >> 8. Re: Hello everyone (KDSGON@aol.com) >> 9. Re: (no subject) (Lathel Duffield) >> 10. Re: Hello everyone (Lathel Duffield) >> 11. Re: (no subject) (Carla B) >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >

Hello to all the wonderful people trying to sew a quilt of many patches (ancestors) to cover a proud Nation with many colors (nationalities). Knowing the blood of our ancestors makes for a strong family. I am trying to locate information on possible Native American heritage. My grandmother and great grandmother had customs that may have been passed down to hide their Native American background which was rumored but never proven. My grandparents were very intent on never letting the sun brown them and would wear long sleeves, bonnets, etc., on the hottest summer days in Northern Alabama. My grandmother had olive skin and facial features of Native Americans. Query: Can anyone give me any info on the Cherokee Tribe that lived at the "Peaks of Otter" in Bedford Co. VA in the late 1700's or early 1800's? One branch of my ancestors were French Huguenots and arrived in Virginia in the 1600s and migrated to North Carolina, Wayne County, KY and then to Lawrence/Cullman Counties, AL. My Ancestors are as follows: 1.. Abraham Des Moulin (senior) and Madelaine Chupret Bobt (French Huguenots) Father and mother of: 2.. Abraham Des Moulin: born 1665 in Paris, France, and died 1743 in Perquimans Co., NC. his Wife Rachel BRORET, 27 DEC 1699, in L'Eglise Francais Des Greces-London, England. born ABT 1680 in France, and died AFT 1722 in Perquimans Co., NC---------And they begat the following: Have you seen any similar names of the following on Native American Rolls? 1.. Hannah Rednap B: 1642 Lynn,Essex,Massachusetts,USA D: 1678-12-02 Perquimans,,North Carolina,USA 1.. Jacob Mullins, (1708 in Manakintown, Goochland, VA, USA) Spouse: Sarah Nicholson,(1708, Perquimans Co., NC) b.. Thomas Mullins (1730, Perquimans Co., NC) Spouse: Margaret (LNU) c.. Isaac Mullins (1773, VA) Spouse: Mary Cocke (b 1773, VA) d.. Eleanor Mullins (b. 1797, Wayne Cty, KY) Spouse: Isaac Johnson (b 1787, Wayne Cty, KY) e.. Charles Mullen Johnson ( b. 1816 Lawrence Cty, AL--Northern AL) Spouse: Nancy Suggs (b 1826 ?, Lawrence Cty, AL--Northern AL) f.. Lucinda Lewis (b. approx 1812?) married John R. Black, (Lawrence Cty, AL--Northern AL) 7.. Nancy Ann Johnson(1861) and John L. Black (1864) (Lawrence Cty, AL--Northern AL) http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/pedigree.aspx?pid=-2125273391&tid=21929 If I can help anyone, please let me know --- I'm learning everyday how to look up ancestors. Thank you, Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <indian-territory-roots-request@rootsweb.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:02 AM Subject: INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 1 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Hello everyone (Mary Beth) > 2. MERRITT SPINNING (GMF) > 3. Re: Hello everyone (Janbinn@aol.com) > 4. Re: Hello everyone (Janbinn@aol.com) > 5. (no subject) (Janbinn@aol.com) > 6. Re: (no subject) (Donna) > 7. Re: Clevenger (KDSGON@aol.com) > 8. Re: Hello everyone (KDSGON@aol.com) > 9. Re: (no subject) (Lathel Duffield) > 10. Re: Hello everyone (Lathel Duffield) > 11. Re: (no subject) (Carla B) > >

Have you read the history of the tribes (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Seminole, and Creek) who made the Trail of Tears journey; specifically with regard to the Dawes role...and the entering of african american slaves brought to OK by those tribes. I don't know if your people were part of that history or not. But....if you study the history of the Dawes...and the fact that the US Government required the individual tribes to include these freed slaves on their tribal listings. That could fill in some blanks for you. I would also think that if you search on the "african-native american" you might find all sorts of sites....and organizations specifically interested in the same thing you are. It has been my understanding that it has been even more difficult for this intermarrying to find information...than it was for the caucasian and native american intermarrying. I think that perhaps both the native american and african american were separated, and names changed for the same reasons....the genocide that was being perpetrated against their people. So...tracing is sometimes more difficult in that situation. So....I wish you luck. jes

A good place to read about all things "indian" is "Indian Country Today". Thisis a publication that is in paper form....but also accessible online. They do archive their articles as well. When I wanted to know the "skinny" behind the Dept of the Int...and Gale's mismanagement of the land on which their was "oil" production ... this is where I went. This is a landmark case. It is likely that millions have been misappropriated. jes

Thanks very much. I'll try to find it. DR

I don't know the court case off the top of my heas but it should be a quick search on the web. The BIA was taken to court by 1 or more tribes for loosing control of some of the information about the tribe so judge ordered the BIA to stop useing the net. Make it a great day, John Message being sent via my Motorola Q -----Original Message----- From: "delreich@bellsouth.net" <delreich@bellsouth.net> To: "indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com" <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 9/1/2006 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting informationaboutpetitionsofenrollm... Please let us know of the court order and reason for it. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please let us know of the court order and reason for it. Thanks.

FYI....The BIA is not allowed to actively use the Internet or email because of a court order. Make it a great day, John Message being sent via my Motorola Q -----Original Message----- From: "TopBranchW@aol.com" <TopBranchW@aol.com> To: "indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com" <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 9/1/2006 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information aboutpetitionsof enrollm... Hi, Perhaps if the BIA is having fiscal problems they might consider offering genealogical services - for a price. So many people seem interested. And so many families have the lore of Indian ancestry. W.L. Barker ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here's another one, a little more info on the security part of it. http://www.indianz.com/News/archive/000796.asp BIA seeks Internet access for its schools Monday, March 22, 2004 (Both networks, however, are overseen by the same senior manager. TRUSTNET remains offline due to concerns over security vulnerabilities. Court-hired hackers, in the summer of 2001, were able to break into BIA's trust computer systems without detection, and were even able to create a false Individual Indian Money (IIM) trust account. They gained access to title and record information of Indian landowners and to royalty payment systems that handle millions of dollars in transactions every year. ) Explains why it was shut down. John Short <jshort@balsamwest.net> wrote: I don't know the court case off the top of my heas but it should be a quick search on the web. The BIA was taken to court by 1 or more tribes for loosing control of some of the information about the tribe so judge ordered the BIA to stop useing the net. Make it a great day, John Message being sent via my Motorola Q -----Original Message----- From: "delreich@bellsouth.net" To: "indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com" Sent: 9/1/2006 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting informationaboutpetitionsofenrollm... Please let us know of the court order and reason for it. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/1562181 December 30, 2002 Court Seeks Inquiry Into BIA Internet Use By Roy Mark The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia is seeking additional information about commercial e-mail accounts used in violation of a court order prohibiting Internet connections at the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Barred from connecting to the Internet since December of last year because of security concerns about the vulnerability of Indian trust fund account databases, the court recently discovered BIA employees using Hotmail, a free e-mail service provided by Microsoft. The use of the Hotmail accounts emerged during a deposition in which the Dept. of Justice submitted e-mails between BIA employees. In a letter of inquiry to the Dept. of Interior, which oversees the BIA, the court cited concerns that the BIA is not monitoring the use of employee e-mail at the agency to properly ensure that no information about the Indian trust funds is contained in the e-mails. The court order disconnecting the BIA from the Internet is part of the long running Elouise Cobell vs. Gale Norton class action lawsuit. Cobell is accusing the Dept. of Interior of mismanaging as many as 800,000 trust funds of past and present native American landowners. As one of many rulings in the 6-year-old case, U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth ordered the Dept. of Interior to improve the computer security of the trust fund accounts. In response, the agency disconnected virtually all of Interior's internet connections. In addition, Lamberth held Interior Secretary Norton in contempt of court in September for failing to improve the computer security of the agency. With the exception of the BIA, most Internet connections have been re-established at Interior. John Short <jshort@balsamwest.net> wrote: I don't know the court case off the top of my heas but it should be a quick search on the web. The BIA was taken to court by 1 or more tribes for loosing control of some of the information about the tribe so judge ordered the BIA to stop useing the net. Make it a great day, John Message being sent via my Motorola Q -----Original Message----- From: "delreich@bellsouth.net" To: "indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com" Sent: 9/1/2006 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting informationaboutpetitionsofenrollm... Please let us know of the court order and reason for it. Thanks. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.