Lena, This would be a good place to try. Also do a search on the web, there are a lot of maps out there. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/maps/arkansas/ Lena <lena@valu-line.net> wrote: could some on direct me to the old maps of Arkansas Territory? I have searched many years on my Wright line, that went from Georgia to Arkansas, around Fort Sebastian, and cannot find my great grandmother's parents or what happened to her brother Sterling. I have photo's of Nancy and all of her history, she was killed by a bull she raised, but nothing on her parents. Lena ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
The Choctaws and other tribes were also removed during the time of the TOT. There routes were different, but they were removed just the same. Many of the Choctaws did come from central and lower Mississippi. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tkstet1@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Cox Family - Atoka City and Stringtown,Oklahoma > Ok,---Tn,Mississippi,Ar,Ok,To California...thanks dont have notes in front > of > me to give it all. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Greetings. My family tradition has that Ellouise Debby Anne Bennett (1861 - 1888, Greenwood, AR) was of Cherokee descent. Her parents' were James A Bennett (1830 - 1891) and Deborah Ann Mullins (1832 - 1886) both born in SW MS. Further back, Willis Mullins and Lydia Bond were Deborah Ann Mullins parents and Richmond Bennett and Nancy Carlisle were James A Bennett's parents. The migratory pattern was NC/SC, GA, TN, MS, AR and eventually, Ellouise Debby Anne Bennett (the first name mentioned) married Basil Florence. Their children mostly moved to IT (Ada, Joseph, James, Thomas Lee, Mary, Albert and Luther Florence), mostly in Poteau County IT, then OK in the 1880's and 1890's where other relatives (from the Bennett/Mullins side) already lived. Does anyone know of this family? Of any NA connection? There are several family stories to this effect. And yes, as one person on this list said, there are several recipes, herbal concoctions and stories of healers handed down. Thanks, Susan -- ============================================================================= Susan Werstein Phone: (03) 467-5632 Country code: 64 8 Lothian St. Dunedin, New Zealand E-Mail: werstein@es.co.nz =============================================================================
Betty, I go back to Nancy Ward also and Ludovic Grant. Go through the Daughter of Nancy (Elizabeth) who married Joseph Martin and then her daughter (Nancy) married Michael Hildebrand. Guess that we are probably cousins of somekind. I am guessing that you go through Catherine. I have cousins that descend out of Catherine. Always fun to meet a distant cousin. Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: "orville LaRue" <orvill@centurytel.net> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Where do you look? > Glee you are right if you will look on the old maps what was called > Arkansas > Territory then is a big part of Oklahoma now. I am from some of the old > settlers. The Starr's. I go back to Nancy Ward on one side and Sequoyah on > the other. I have found it is best to take everything with a grain of salt > and check to be sure it is right. > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Where do you look? > > >> There were many people already in Indian Territory before the TOT. They >> were >> well established and had a goverment already in place. My 2nd great grand >> brother and his wife are on the old Settler roll. His name was John Beck. >> He >> moved west in 1834 and he did not live in Arkansas he went straight to >> what >> is now OK. He and his family were with one of the first groups that moved >> west and there is a book out about the trip. Called The River Trail. They >> were NOT on the TOT because they were way before 1837-1838. His name is >> listed in the back of the book as being on that trip. They arrived in >> Indian >> Territory 14 May 1834 and they had their first child on the trail. The >> leader of the trip was named Lt. Harris. Most of the trip was by water. >> Sequoyah was also early in moving west and was also well established in >> IT >> before the TOT. >> Glee >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> >> wrote >> I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian >> Territory prior to TOT. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mtnties/kelly.html interesting tidbit Carla
Betty Which Starr do you go bact thru? I live on Caleb's land about 3/4 mile from where his home stood. and as Sequoyah was first cousin to Nancy Ward you'll go two ways into Moytoy #1 Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "orville LaRue" <orvill@centurytel.net> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Where do you look? > Glee you are right if you will look on the old maps what was called > Arkansas > Territory then is a big part of Oklahoma now. I am from some of the old > settlers. The Starr's. I go back to Nancy Ward on one side and Sequoyah on > the other. I have found it is best to take everything with a grain of salt > and check to be sure it is right. > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Where do you look? > > >> There were many people already in Indian Territory before the TOT. They >> were >> well established and had a goverment already in place. My 2nd great grand >> brother and his wife are on the old Settler roll. His name was John Beck. >> He >> moved west in 1834 and he did not live in Arkansas he went straight to >> what >> is now OK. He and his family were with one of the first groups that moved >> west and there is a book out about the trip. Called The River Trail. They >> were NOT on the TOT because they were way before 1837-1838. His name is >> listed in the back of the book as being on that trip. They arrived in >> Indian >> Territory 14 May 1834 and they had their first child on the trail. The >> leader of the trip was named Lt. Harris. Most of the trip was by water. >> Sequoyah was also early in moving west and was also well established in >> IT >> before the TOT. >> Glee >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> >> wrote >> I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian >> Territory prior to TOT. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >
Concerning the Field or Fielder.....the Declaration clearly says Fielder.....the stepfather of Obediah M. Benge NOT Fields Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Black Dutch > Joyce, I'll say this but I will say no on the Mehlugeons. Black Dutch-yes > because my Grandmother married to Robert Benge was Black Dutch and a > sweetheart.However I guess she was the only one I knew. Oleta > On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:51:22 -0400 "Joyce G. Reece" > <bjreece@bellsouth.net> writes: >> Oleta >> >> In the past I have read one prominent Cherokee researcher say to me >> quite >> bluntly that there is absolutely NO relationship between the >> Melungeon's, >> Black Dutch and Cherokee....would you offer your opinion please >> >> AS for the Obediah Martin Benge application....I, personally, was >> just >> trying to help other researchers. I knew, fairly certainly, that >> you'd >> looked for any military records or pension records but was just >> trying to >> clarify for others who might not know. >> >> I have no (known) relationship to the Benge family but am 'dancing' >> around >> them along with the Martin's, Lawson's & Shelton's trying to >> pinpoint a >> relationship between the families. It almost HAS to be there if we >> could >> just locate more info. I appreciate your answering my earlier >> questions? >> >> I already have a proven lineage into more than one Rev. War >> Patriot...but am >> not interested in DAR to provide me proof of it. >> Joyce Gaston Reece >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >
From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> wrote " I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian Territory prior to TOT." There were many people already in Indian Territory before the TOT. They were well established and had a goverment already in place. My 2nd great grand mothers brother and his wife are on the old Settler roll. His name was John Beck. He moved west in 1834 and he did not live in Arkansas he went straight to what is now OK. He and his family were with one of the first groups that moved west and there is a book out about the trip. Called The River Trail. They were NOT on the TOT because they were way before 1837-1838. His name is listed in the back of the book as being on that trip. They arrived in Indian Territory 14 May 1834 and they had their first child on the trail. The leader of the trip was named Lt. Harris. Most of the trip was by water. Sequoyah was also early in moving west and was also well established in IT before the TOT. Glee
Do either of you know if this is the same lineage as Richard Fields...trader and wife to one of the Emory sisters? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information about petitionsof enroll... > Well I'll say this much. If Elizabeth ever married low life John Fielder > no one that I know of has found any trace of the marriage.I've checked in > many States. So have a lot of other people. Ahanks for that info. I don't > remember any if the Thornton names who were in Fort Gibson. I was born in > Fort Gibson but left when I was small but visited back with my relatives > and theone Thornton I knew was pretty sorry. Also never heard of this > Bonaparte. Yes that info on Elizabeth agrees with mine. OletaOn Sat, 2 > Sep 2006 16:23:02 EDT DocJeep371@aol.com writes: >> Sarah Fields was the wife of Obadiah Martin Benge married about 1800 >> Sarah Fielder was the wife of Robert Francis Thornton married about >> 1867 in >> Ark >> She was the mother of Nepoleon Boneparte Thronton the person I first >> spoke >> about as to his indian heritage. I know that NB Thornton applied >> for >> enrollment, but I didn't know on what grounds. >> >> Also Elizabeth Sarah Lewis marriage after John Benge was to John >> Fielder >> >> Does this information match yours? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >
Ok,---Tn,Mississippi,Ar,Ok,To California...thanks dont have notes in front of me to give it all.
There were many people already in Indian Territory before the TOT. They were well established and had a goverment already in place. My 2nd great grand brother and his wife are on the old Settler roll. His name was John Beck. He moved west in 1834 and he did not live in Arkansas he went straight to what is now OK. He and his family were with one of the first groups that moved west and there is a book out about the trip. Called The River Trail. They were NOT on the TOT because they were way before 1837-1838. His name is listed in the back of the book as being on that trip. They arrived in Indian Territory 14 May 1834 and they had their first child on the trail. The leader of the trip was named Lt. Harris. Most of the trip was by water. Sequoyah was also early in moving west and was also well established in IT before the TOT. Glee ----- Original Message ----- From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> wrote I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian Territory prior to TOT.
Joyce, I'll say this but I will say no on the Mehlugeons. Black Dutch-yes because my Grandmother married to Robert Benge was Black Dutch and a sweetheart.However I guess she was the only one I knew. Oleta On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:51:22 -0400 "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> writes: > Oleta > > In the past I have read one prominent Cherokee researcher say to me > quite > bluntly that there is absolutely NO relationship between the > Melungeon's, > Black Dutch and Cherokee....would you offer your opinion please > > AS for the Obediah Martin Benge application....I, personally, was > just > trying to help other researchers. I knew, fairly certainly, that > you'd > looked for any military records or pension records but was just > trying to > clarify for others who might not know. > > I have no (known) relationship to the Benge family but am 'dancing' > around > them along with the Martin's, Lawson's & Shelton's trying to > pinpoint a > relationship between the families. It almost HAS to be there if we > could > just locate more info. I appreciate your answering my earlier > questions? > > I already have a proven lineage into more than one Rev. War > Patriot...but am > not interested in DAR to provide me proof of it. > Joyce Gaston Reece > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >
Hate to tell you dear girl but people on the Trail came out of Alabama. Georgia, North Carolin a and Tennesee-None from Miossippi. Oleta Kite On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:12:55 EDT Tkstet1@aol.com writes: > I too have Cox,that go with McClain,McKay McDaniel others Trail of > Tears(mississippi-all the way to Ok),i wish you luck,this White gal > dont feel that way > wouldnt bother me a bit to have Black in my family,and i probably > do...Tammy > oklahoma I too have heard term Black Dutch ..what is this? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >
Well I'll say this much. If Elizabeth ever married low life John Fielder no one that I know of has found any trace of the marriage.I've checked in many States. So have a lot of other people. Ahanks for that info. I don't remember any if the Thornton names who were in Fort Gibson. I was born in Fort Gibson but left when I was small but visited back with my relatives and theone Thornton I knew was pretty sorry. Also never heard of this Bonaparte. Yes that info on Elizabeth agrees with mine. OletaOn Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:23:02 EDT DocJeep371@aol.com writes: > Sarah Fields was the wife of Obadiah Martin Benge married about 1800 > Sarah Fielder was the wife of Robert Francis Thornton married about > 1867 in > Ark > She was the mother of Nepoleon Boneparte Thronton the person I first > spoke > about as to his indian heritage. I know that NB Thornton applied > for > enrollment, but I didn't know on what grounds. > > Also Elizabeth Sarah Lewis marriage after John Benge was to John > Fielder > > Does this information match yours? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >
Oleta In the past I have read one prominent Cherokee researcher say to me quite bluntly that there is absolutely NO relationship between the Melungeon's, Black Dutch and Cherokee....would you offer your opinion please AS for the Obediah Martin Benge application....I, personally, was just trying to help other researchers. I knew, fairly certainly, that you'd looked for any military records or pension records but was just trying to clarify for others who might not know. I have no (known) relationship to the Benge family but am 'dancing' around them along with the Martin's, Lawson's & Shelton's trying to pinpoint a relationship between the families. It almost HAS to be there if we could just locate more info. I appreciate your answering my earlier questions? I already have a proven lineage into more than one Rev. War Patriot...but am not interested in DAR to provide me proof of it. Joyce Gaston Reece
To JES and others- The Cherokees who left the Tribe. going into Arkansas were given the opportunity to join those on the Trail of Tears and would then be a part of the Tribe again. These were the ones called TheOld Settlers. They were not removed from Arkansas however many of them did join the Trail when they came through Arkansas and did come on into Indian Territory.I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian Territory prior to TOT. As far as the Keetoowah Band is concerned that was originally only Full B loods. Oleta E. Benge Kite On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:19:07 EDT HealTheCircle@aol.com writes: > Not sure if you got that if your folks were of native (Cherokee > blood) and > in OK before the removal....then more than likely they were the Old > Settlers. > These are Cherokee who originally abdicated their rights to the > land in what > was Cherokee territory, and first went to MO. Then in about pre > 1817, > because of the flooding of that are (I believe), they were offered > land in AR. In > 1817 they were moved to OK, and that put them there before the > Removal in > the 1830's. > > It's also interesting to note that when the folks came in from the > Removal > (Trail of Tears)....there was some initial civil war between the > ones already > there (Old Settlers) and the new arrivals. Then a committee or > council was > formed of folks from both groups to fashion a way of living > together. This is > a very brief synopsis of what happened. I'd look at both the > Keetowah Band > of Cherokee in OK...and the Western Nation's site online to get the > details. > > jes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >
Yes i belive i do these moved later into Raines,wood texas.tammy
Dorothy, Napolean Boneparte Thornton was the child of Robert Francis Thornton and Sarah James Fielder. Check out the family tree for Raymond Mays on geneology.com. I have a complete line of the thorntons back to the benges if you want it Joe Boatman
I have a cousin/friend who is researching the McClain/McLain lineage in Tennessee pre 1835. Do you have info concerning Jesse McLain please? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tkstet1@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Cox Family - Atoka City and Stringtown,Oklahoma >I too have Cox,that go with McClain,McKay McDaniel others Trail of > Tears(mississippi-all the way to Ok),i wish you luck,this White gal dont > feel that way > wouldnt bother me a bit to have Black in my family,and i probably > do...Tammy > oklahoma I too have heard term Black Dutch ..what is this? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 > >
Sarah Fields was the wife of Obadiah Martin Benge married about 1800 Sarah Fielder was the wife of Robert Francis Thornton married about 1867 in Ark She was the mother of Nepoleon Boneparte Thronton the person I first spoke about as to his indian heritage. I know that NB Thornton applied for enrollment, but I didn't know on what grounds. Also Elizabeth Sarah Lewis marriage after John Benge was to John Fielder Does this information match yours?