----- Original Message ----- From: Carla B<mailto:soarsister@cableone.net> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure Question on Dawes. What are the case # about and is there documents to be had regarding them? Also, if a family was MCR, yet without a doubt Indian, is there any other way to trace it, and how? If not for legalities in Tribal membership, then just for genealogy sake? Last Question, if a mother was Choctaw and the father was Cherokee, or visa versa, is there a way to deterime degree of Indian blood using the two combined or is each tribe individually considered? Carla ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carla The degree of Indian Blood is an artificial statement based on a a series of past documents about how much "Indian blood" a person possesses. In earlier times, the blood amount was calculated (guessed) by the person conducting the census. There were no documents or other records that "proved" the amount of Indian blood and individual possessed. For government purposes, it is not the specific degree of Indian blood by tribe that can be attributed to a person -- it is the total amount of Indian blood. Therefore, like your questions asks, the Choctaw blood and the Cherokee blood would be added together for Federal Government purposes. However, for membership in the tribe, unless the tribal constitution specifically allowed for a combination of blood, then the person would have to meet the tribe's criteria. That requirement would have nothing to do with the Federal government. Lathel ----- Original Message ----- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jes, I would have to disagree that " a degree of blood is to a particular Tribe" in 600 years we bred and interbred as civilization and non-civilization led us. The mixtures happened with and without Tribes - don't Forget the capture of the young settlers by the Indians - that didn't Diminish the percentage of Indian Blood. The White society didn't believe Mixing with the Indians but condoned mating with Blacks. Look on the Totum Pole, the Indians are still at the bottom. The primary thing we Who have a touch of the Indian Blood are still proud of the melting pot; Myself: Irish, Indian, English & a whole lot of mixtures (:-) Ken Baker, Santa Maria, Calif -----Original Message----- From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of HealTheCircle@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:49 PM To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure In reference to Dawes, the case numbers refer to the "application" and any and all documents that went with that. It's been a while since I was in nara....but I remember that you could look at the individual indexes.....and also the applications themselves (microfilmed copies if my memory serves me). Sometimes there were also interviews...narratives. If you request the information by case number you should get all of any documentation referring to that application. If anyone else can give her further information on this please do. As far as tracing for genealogy sake, there are many ways to trace. I would start with the tribal affiliation. Then I would contact the tribe. Most that have websites online can give you info about how you can get more info. I would recommend that if you have a tribal affiliation...and a geographic area....you do a lot of research on your own. Start with history of that tribe. That should also be available on the website. Depending on the date of your information....you may be looking in the original locations of the tribes...before the removal....or other locations. Also, I had success in connecting with others here....on the genealogy websites, such as ancestry.com, kindred connections, etc., by posting on their message boards...with name, location and what information you are seeking. I have met other members of my families....and shared information...which was valuable to them and me. Your last question....degree of blood is specific to a particular tribe. Also, each tribe has their own degree of blood determination to be able to apply for membership. I would like to encourage you to learn as much as you can, about the tribe(s) you believe you have connnections with. I have found that if you do some homework, before you search, your questions will be more insightful...and you will be respected for the time you have put in to study. jes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

Good message there, Paula. It is possible that brothers and sisters of the same Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek etc, family were faced with signing up for one or the other of the ROLLS. You can imagine that the ones who did not sign up never thought they would not still BE what they were, nor did the ones who did, expect to be "Government Issue" Cherokees or whatever. All of the family would no doubt have continued to think of themselves, and their siblings, as Cherokee, etc. I think that finding out what the entire family makeup is what interests me, not one descent over the other. One of my lines (Bolding-Boling) seems to touch a woman named Pocahontas (real, not Walt Disney version) on the way back to Boling Hall in jolly ol' England. I've been told that if I send in the proof of my lineage, I can join some organization based on all members having descended from Pocahontas. I expect that her blood percentage, by the time it gets down to me in modern times is mighty small anyway. Can anyone suggest to me a reason to join? Most all of us nowadays have lines back to places all over the world, England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, France, and so on. Recently I have been researching in PA for Scottish male m. German female 3g grandparents. I've amused myself by speculating on a Sunday dinner of Haggis and Dumplings. In other words, all the ethnic characteristics and histories are interesting in and of themselves and are icing on the cake of genealogy. This spate of discussion has been very interesting to read. Thanks to all who add their ideas and information. Ron Stone in CA -----Original Message----- From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sparklineyez@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:54 PM To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : native blood In earlier times, the blood amount was calculated (guessed) by the person conducting the census. There were no documents or other records that "proved" the amount of Indian blood and individual possessed. That was'nt real scientific NOW WAS IT? mY BLUE EYES & BLONDE HAIR WOULD MEAN i'm none!! I remember my grandfather always showing me things in nature..Love for the land, animals, plants that could be used for different purposes.. Never take More than is needed.. What my great grandmother would wear & the stories she would tell him so he could retell & practice. Alot was lost but, I count my self lucky to have had some things taught to me. I don't know HOW much my blood is native.. it's nOT important for me to have an amount anymore. To me it's more what was it like back then.. the things family had to endure. It;s the connection with the past.... people we never got to meet that are a part of me. What struggles, joys they had. Don't give up on the genealogy.. someone told me once it;s like fishing.. ya never know what you'll get.. maybe a bite, nibble here & there. Full surprises... PaUla ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wowee Carla, ya do ask the 'ones.' >From my standpoint, my daddy said that he was 16th Indian and I was 32nd, But he never did explain who was what and from where comes. I have discovered thru our genealogy associations a whole lots of Indian Lore: My greatgrandmother, Nancy S. Bybee, was part Indian and was on her way to register in Atoka IT (OK), but greatgrandpa Wm Jackson Baker sd no no 'cause the Injuns were on the warpath down south of Antlers and he didn't want her to So....we didn't get on the DAWES Rolls. My grandpaw mar. Ellie Hoover in 1898 IT and she claimed Black Dutch...............My grandparents always lived in Choctaw Country (OKLA), but it has read that the Cherokees were famous (??) for claiming Black Dutch. My Ok cousin sez that we are Choctaw with no % nor history to back it up. So one of these days, I'll venture back into those hills and maybe find some Creditable marks sumwheres. Ken Baker, Santa Maria, CA -----Original Message----- From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lathel Duffield Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:24 PM To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure ----- Original Message ----- From: Carla B<mailto:soarsister@cableone.net> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.c om> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure Question on Dawes. What are the case # about and is there documents to be had regarding them? Also, if a family was MCR, yet without a doubt Indian, is there any other way to trace it, and how? If not for legalities in Tribal membership, then just for genealogy sake? Last Question, if a mother was Choctaw and the father was Cherokee, or visa versa, is there a way to deterime degree of Indian blood using the two combined or is each tribe individually considered? Carla ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-re quest@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

This is so very true. I have been working on my mom's side of the family for several years & it is 2 steps forward & 1 back. I know there is Indian blood but proving it has proved to be quiet a task. I have received a lot of encouragement today. Deann

In reference to Dawes, the case numbers refer to the "application" and any and all documents that went with that. It's been a while since I was in nara....but I remember that you could look at the individual indexes.....and also the applications themselves (microfilmed copies if my memory serves me). Sometimes there were also interviews...narratives. If you request the information by case number you should get all of any documentation referring to that application. If anyone else can give her further information on this please do. As far as tracing for genealogy sake, there are many ways to trace. I would start with the tribal affiliation. Then I would contact the tribe. Most that have websites online can give you info about how you can get more info. I would recommend that if you have a tribal affiliation...and a geographic area....you do a lot of research on your own. Start with history of that tribe. That should also be available on the website. Depending on the date of your information....you may be looking in the original locations of the tribes...before the removal....or other locations. Also, I had success in connecting with others here....on the genealogy websites, such as ancestry.com, kindred connections, etc., by posting on their message boards...with name, location and what information you are seeking. I have met other members of my families....and shared information...which was valuable to them and me. Your last question....degree of blood is specific to a particular tribe. Also, each tribe has their own degree of blood determination to be able to apply for membership. I would like to encourage you to learn as much as you can, about the tribe(s) you believe you have connnections with. I have found that if you do some homework, before you search, your questions will be more insightful...and you will be respected for the time you have put in to study. jes

Pat Kennedy here: What you have written in the below message was so very important to me, almost like a hug from some one. My grandparents were from Oklahoma, leaving there in 1903....before Ok....Mo...Ark...TX...lots of good family history. There is---- in their veins some American Indian blood , the features, my grandfather spoke the Indian language, the oral history in a tiny lost story, but a whisper that one knows it is so. I know it is lost and yet it would be nice to know my history...not for records, but for my heart. The family say to me, as I am the genealogy person in the family......"Have you found our Indian blood?" I try to tell them it is lost, it is so very hard to prove, to study and know the records, to know how to find the records, why they may have chosen to not register on the rolls....... So your e-mail below...tells me...it is a life time of hard work and many records. I am happy to know the things I do know and our oral history can live on in our hearts and will not to be down in paper records. Thank you...now I can move on...... Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <HealTheCircle@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > In reference to Dawes, the case numbers refer to the "application" and any > and all documents that went with that. It's been a while since I was in > nara....but I remember that you could look at the individual > indexes.....and also > the applications themselves (microfilmed copies if my memory serves me). > Sometimes there were also interviews...narratives. If you request the > information by case number you should get all of any documentation > referring to that > application. > > If anyone else can give her further information on this please do. > > As far as tracing for genealogy sake, there are many ways to trace. I > would > start with the tribal affiliation. Then I would contact the tribe. Most > that have websites online can give you info about how you can get more > info. > > I would recommend that if you have a tribal affiliation...and a geographic > area....you do a lot of research on your own. Start with history of that > tribe. That should also be available on the website. Depending on the > date of > your information....you may be looking in the original locations of the > tribes...before the removal....or other locations. > > Also, I had success in connecting with others here....on the genealogy > websites, such as ancestry.com, kindred connections, etc., by posting on > their > message boards...with name, location and what information you are seeking. > I > have met other members of my families....and shared information...which > was > valuable to them and me. > > Your last question....degree of blood is specific to a particular tribe. > Also, each tribe has their own degree of blood determination to be able > to > apply for membership. > > I would like to encourage you to learn as much as you can, about the > tribe(s) you believe you have connnections with. I have found that if you > do some > homework, before you search, your questions will be more insightful...and > you > will be respected for the time you have put in to study. > > jes > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Question on Dawes. What are the case # about and is there documents to be had regarding them? Also, if a family was MCR, yet without a doubt Indian, is there any other way to trace it, and how? If not for legalities in Tribal membership, then just for genealogy sake? Last Question, if a mother was Choctaw and the father was Cherokee, or visa versa, is there a way to deterime degree of Indian blood using the two combined or is each tribe individually considered? Carla

This is facinating as I also have Indian heritage on Mom's side. Her father was obvious Indian & I was always told his mom was half Indian. That is not true but the more I did the more I believe both Thomas Allen born in 1841 in North Carolina was of Indian heritage through his father. Then Thomas married a the daughter of Millard R.Draughon born in 1851 in Lousiana I believe there is Indian heritage in that line also as there are things that don't add up & I can't find. I have been working on this side of my family for several years. But the Black Dutch is on Mom's mother's side of the family & I haven't done much on that line. I just know Grandma always said she was Black Dutch. By the way this is the most active this site has been for a while. I am excited. By the way if anybody recognizes either of the names in my lineage please contact me at deanntidwell@hotmail.com. Thanks, Deann

Does anyone know of this family and any NA connections? Serepha Louisa Bennett (1873 Sebastian Co, AR - 1949 Eufala, OK) married William Hopkins (1866 Itawamaba, MS - 1946 OK) Their children were all born in IT/OK named J.B Hopkins b. 1890 Laura Lena b. 1892 Free Silver 1894 George Edmund b. 1896 Samuel Ezra b 1900 Ethel Dora b 1901 Edith b 1903 Levi J 1907 Lidia Jane b 1907 Lonnie J 1909 William H 1913 Walter T 1914 Lukie 1916. Many were buried in Greenwood Cemetary, Eufala, McIntosh Co, OK. Thanks for any information about descendants, NA information, marriages of this family. Susan -- ============================================================================= Susan Werstein Phone: (03) 467-5632 Country code: 64 8 Lothian St. Dunedin, New Zealand E-Mail: werstein@es.co.nz =============================================================================

Betty, Yes-He was my Grandfather. Oleta On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:22:24 -0700 "orville LaRue" <orvill@centurytel.net> writes: > The relative that was killed by the Pin Cherokee was his name James > Starr? > Betty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:03 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Where do you look? > > > > The Old Settlers are the people who were in Arkansas in 1817. As > far as > > Sequoyah=-he is my cousin and he made many trips back and forth. I > know > > there were people here. There were Cherokees called Pin and one > morning > > when my relative went out on the porch to wash his face they came > riding > > out and killed him. Only thing that saved his son was because he > got > > under his mother's skirt. I am a Cherokee-was reared as a Cherokee > have > > traveled , Lowrey family and my people are rather well known. If > you read > > Old Frontier you will find my relatives on almost every page. I > also > > volunteered At OHS "Indian" Archives for five years. When the > Trail of > > Tears came thru Arkansas the Cherokees there could rejoin the > Tribe and > > come on into Indian Territory if they chose. Thereafter, anyone > had to > > get a Permit to come into Indian Territory. Furthermore, anyone > leaving > > theTribe were no longer considered to be aCherokee. I never heard > ofthis > > book you mention but will try to get it. Oleta > > On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:16:26 -0400 "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> > writes: > >> There were many people already in Indian Territory before the > TOT. > >> They were > >> well established and had a goverment already in place. My 2nd > great > >> grand > >> brother and his wife are on the old Settler roll. His name was > John > >> Beck. He > >> moved west in 1834 and he did not live in Arkansas he went > straight > >> to what > >> is now OK. He and his family were with one of the first groups > that > >> moved > >> west and there is a book out about the trip. Called The River > Trail. > >> They > >> were NOT on the TOT because they were way before 1837-1838. His > name > >> is > >> listed in the back of the book as being on that trip. They > arrived > >> in Indian > >> Territory 14 May 1834 and they had their first child on the > trail. > >> The > >> leader of the trip was named Lt. Harris. Most of the trip was by > >> water. > >> Sequoyah was also early in moving west and was also well > established > >> in IT > >> before the TOT. > >> Glee > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> wrote > >> I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian > >> Territory prior to TOT. > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > >> message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

I am forwarding this from other genealogy site and please distribute to other genealogical sites you are a member of. Thank you, Linda Dear Fellow Researchers, The National Archives is considering closing its doors for evening and weekend research. Most people work and some go to school and work, making it impossible to use the archives during normal workday hours. Many historical and genealogical societies sponsor bus trips on weekends, making Saturday the busiest day at the Archives. While fewer people research in the evening, those who do are there because their schedules require it. On 28 Aug, The Federation of Genealogical Societies, which represents genealogical societies in America and internationally, formally proposed an alternative plan, which suggests keeping Saturday hours, and closing any other weekday instead. Evening hours could be cut by opening the Archives later in the day and extending hours into the evening once a week. The only people who would be served by the Archive's current plan are those paid by the government or universities to conduct research during normal hours. Family historians and genealogists, and the sponsored groups and tours, will be shut out. The National Archive is asking for comments, through the Comments Desk. We only have until Sept 8 to change their minds about the closure. A petition is being circulated to support the alternative plan suggested by the attendees of their annual conference. Signatures from all interested parties are welcome. PLEASE take a few minutes to sign the petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/FGS2006/petition.html AND/OR write: Regulations Comments Desk (NPOL) Room 4100, Policy and Planning Staff National Archives and Records Administration 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001 The cut in hours has been made necessary by a 22 million dollar budget cut. Ask your representatives in Congress to restore funding to the National Archives, one of America’s greatest treasures.

Joyce, as far as I know-no connection.oleta On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:50:09 -0400 "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> writes: > Do either of you know if this is the same lineage as Richard > Fields...trader > and wife to one of the Emory sisters? > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Requesting information about > petitionsof enroll... > > > > Well I'll say this much. If Elizabeth ever married low life John > Fielder > > no one that I know of has found any trace of the marriage.I've > checked in > > many States. So have a lot of other people. Ahanks for that info. > I don't > > remember any if the Thornton names who were in Fort Gibson. I was > born in > > Fort Gibson but left when I was small but visited back with my > relatives > > and theone Thornton I knew was pretty sorry. Also never heard of > this > > Bonaparte. Yes that info on Elizabeth agrees with mine. OletaOn > Sat, 2 > > Sep 2006 16:23:02 EDT DocJeep371@aol.com writes: > >> Sarah Fields was the wife of Obadiah Martin Benge married about > 1800 > >> Sarah Fielder was the wife of Robert Francis Thornton married > about > >> 1867 in > >> Ark > >> She was the mother of Nepoleon Boneparte Thronton the person I > first > >> spoke > >> about as to his indian heritage. I know that NB Thornton > applied > >> for > >> enrollment, but I didn't know on what grounds. > >> > >> Also Elizabeth Sarah Lewis marriage after John Benge was to John > >> Fielder > >> > >> Does this information match yours? > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > >> message > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: > 9/1/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

I just recently checked my email and saw this post, if you haven't already had any responses, email me and I may be able to help. email at: irishrose@jmdfamily.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <KDSGON@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Clevenger > I'm looking for the Clevenger family originally from Big Cabin, OK. > > Sherry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The relative that was killed by the Pin Cherokee was his name James Starr? Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Where do you look? > The Old Settlers are the people who were in Arkansas in 1817. As far as > Sequoyah=-he is my cousin and he made many trips back and forth. I know > there were people here. There were Cherokees called Pin and one morning > when my relative went out on the porch to wash his face they came riding > out and killed him. Only thing that saved his son was because he got > under his mother's skirt. I am a Cherokee-was reared as a Cherokee have > traveled , Lowrey family and my people are rather well known. If you read > Old Frontier you will find my relatives on almost every page. I also > volunteered At OHS "Indian" Archives for five years. When the Trail of > Tears came thru Arkansas the Cherokees there could rejoin the Tribe and > come on into Indian Territory if they chose. Thereafter, anyone had to > get a Permit to come into Indian Territory. Furthermore, anyone leaving > theTribe were no longer considered to be aCherokee. I never heard ofthis > book you mention but will try to get it. Oleta > On Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:16:26 -0400 "Glee Krapf" <gleek@ptd.net> writes: >> There were many people already in Indian Territory before the TOT. >> They were >> well established and had a goverment already in place. My 2nd great >> grand >> brother and his wife are on the old Settler roll. His name was John >> Beck. He >> moved west in 1834 and he did not live in Arkansas he went straight >> to what >> is now OK. He and his family were with one of the first groups that >> moved >> west and there is a book out about the trip. Called The River Trail. >> They >> were NOT on the TOT because they were way before 1837-1838. His name >> is >> listed in the back of the book as being on that trip. They arrived >> in Indian >> Territory 14 May 1834 and they had their first child on the trail. >> The >> leader of the trip was named Lt. Harris. Most of the trip was by >> water. >> Sequoyah was also early in moving west and was also well established >> in IT >> before the TOT. >> Glee >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> >> wrote >> I've never heard of any Cherokee coming into Indian >> Territory prior to TOT. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Mr. Duffield thank you so much for explaining the role of the BIA, and also the existence of the NARA. That was one place I had forgotten to direct folks looking for documentation., jes

Two of my gr-gr-grandmothers were possibly cherokee indians.Louisa Burgess born abt 1827 in Tn parents unknown.She married Tobias Woodward in 1845 in Floyd,Ga-My other gr-gr-grandmother was Margarette Bird/Byrd she wase born abt 1817 inS.C(possibly) She married James Frank Campbell.I am searching for relatives of both my grandmothers. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Remember, folks, Stand Watie, the Cherokee general, was the last general of the confederacy to surrender. There are a couple of places in and around Oklahoma where they fought some major battles. Bogey Depot was a well known Cherokee holding as was most of the area around Tahlequah. Linda Garner Evans

If you mean Boggy Depot it was Choctaw. It was the Capital of the Choctaw Nation from 1858 till after the Civil War. Gene At 06:32 PM 9/3/2006, Utchika@aol.com wrote: >Remember, folks, Stand Watie, the Cherokee general, was the last general of >the confederacy to surrender. There are a couple of places in and around >Oklahoma where they fought some major battles. Bogey Depot was a well known >Cherokee holding as was most of the area around Tahlequah. > >Linda Garner Evans > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message