Do you know anything about a Flora Alexander? She was a Cherokee Citizen recognized as Cherokee by blood. She married "Tour " Thomas Caprock Crowder Carla

I did. And I sent off for the census card, but was a little disappointed in that only a few documents were sent, though several names were on the census. Names I need dates for are Gibson Going, Sokey Going Sealy Going....and Flora Alexander's family and connection to Cherokee Nation. Anyone else researching these names? MCR, names were Pyle's, and all I found out is that they didn't get accepted on Dawes. Any info You have would be appreciated. Carla

Carla B.The info sent you by Lathel is not true as to Degree of Blood. Each Cherokee at least knew his degree of blood. There was no guessing by the person doing the enrollment. You people need to do a lot of reading and studying. If a person had two Tribes mixed, they had to choose one over the other in order to be enrolled. The Rolls were started a long time ago and certainly are not artifical statements. I'm sorry but these statements made by Lathel are the most ridiculous I've ever heard. I am a Cherokee and that is because my Dad was A cHEROKEE and so was my Mom . . I am able to prove all this with no trouble. Oleta E. Benge KITE On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:19:07 -0400 "Lathel Duffield" <Lathel_Duf@msn.com> writes: > Carla The degree of Indian Blood is an artificial statement based > on a a series of past documents about how much "Indian blood" a > person possesses. In earlier times, the blood amount was calculated > (guessed) by the person conducting the census. There were no > documents or other records that "proved" the amount of Indian blood > and individual possessed. For government purposes, it is not the > specific degree of Indian blood by tribe that can be attributed to a > person -- it is the total amount of Indian blood. Therefore, like > your questions asks, the Choctaw blood and the Cherokee blood would > be added together for Federal Government purposes. However, for > membership in the tribe, unless the tribal constitution specifically > allowed for a combination of blood, then the person would have to > meet the tribe's criteria. That requirement would have nothing to > do with the Federal government. Lathel > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS -request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Carla B., Did you ever get an answer on this? If not, write me as I can answer your questions. Oleta E. Kite On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 12:10:54 -0500 "Carla B" <soarsister@cableone.net> writes: > Question on Dawes. What are the case # about and is there documents > to be > had regarding them? > Also, if a family was MCR, yet without a doubt Indian, is there any > other > way to trace it, and how? If not for legalities in Tribal > membership, then > just for genealogy sake? > Last Question, if a mother was Choctaw and the father was Cherokee, > or visa > versa, is there a way to deterime degree of Indian blood using the > two > combined or is each tribe individually considered? > Carla > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

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need help on this,my uncle Thomas Sherman Estes born 1867 in missouri,all i know is he died in 1900 in indian territory,and suppose to be buried around Chelsie Ok,or close to it,i would love to know just where and what cemetery he is in,and if he might have a stone,i would take any kind of information on Thomas and his family,his son Guy Estes who died in about 1895 is suppose to be buried by Thomas,i live in colo but i,am planning a trip to okla to see if i can find him, hopeing for help _mariesweet@aol.com_ (mailto:mariesweet@aol.com)

Larry, Great web page! I am related to Bryant Ward through his marriage to Nancy Ward 6th or 7th grandparents. I am really interested in Bryant it seems information about him goes no further back then him. I also liked all the pictures you have posted on your site. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing! Robin Smith

I have a webpage for any Ward descendants of John and Katy McDaniel Ward and related families. Photos, records from NARA and other info. Go to Google and enter "Larry Ward's Cherokee Page". Larry W. Ward

By sharing our knowledge and caring for the soil of the earth, we should be able to grow many branches on our family tree. The following sites may help in finding your roots. http://lii.org/search/ http://www.ipl.org/div/subject/browse/ref40.00.00/ More Special Collections. a.. Associations on the Net b.. Exhibits c.. Native American Authors d.. Polar Bear Expedition e.. POTUS f.. Ready Reference in German Good Luck, Diane

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Check afrigeneas.com & cyndislist.com Gaylord --- "Maloney, Daniel Lee" <DanMaloney@missouristate.edu> wrote: > There are some links but not many. I guess you have > tried the links at cherokee.org? > > ________________________________ > > From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com on > behalf of PKH5638@aol.com > Sent: Tue 9/12/2006 3:40 PM > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] freedmen > enrollment > > > > This is a problem I have come across in my search. > Has anyone found a way to > locate people of African/Native American heritage? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > FREE!!! Genealogy software. Use to collect family tree. Use it to download GedCom files or to share GedCom files with new cousins you meet on the internet. Goto LEGACY.COM. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I sort of remember a story like that around Gibson Station or Warbuck just north of Muskogee. The names sound familiar. They rushed the house on a stormy night and killed both of them I think. There was a trial and they got off because it couldn't be proved. I forgot where I found that story, but check with the Muskogee Library. They have a good Gen section. Gaylord K. brooks McAlester, OK --- pkh5638@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure if this was directed at me but I > wanted to respond to it anyway. I hope that is OK > because I have explored every other avenue I have > been told about. My husband's grandmother, Mary > Headley, was a white woman born in 1873-1874, who > had a child, with a man who family legend says was > 1/2 black and 1/2 cherokee, who would have been born > in Tenesee (year unknown). No one knows what > happened to the child, as he was not listed in the > newspaper account of the mob slaying that killed > Mary and her current "husband (their marriage was > illegal, but we do have an application for a > marriage to Ed Chalmers from 1898 dated three months > before they were killed in 1898)." However though > the family has the name Frank Burton the only Frank > Burton I have found of that era and location > (Oklahoma Indian territory) Married another black > woman around 1893-1894, about the time Mary's child, > my husband's father was born. The only documents > prior to the mob slaying I have found so far are! > the marriage application and a court record where > her father was accused of attempted murder of a > black man over a child that Mary did not want the > man to take with him when he moved out of her > father's house. I am really grasping at straws which > is also how I found the documents I have uncovered > so far. If you or anyone you know can help, Please > please ask me questions or give me leads for places > to search, anything at all! Thank you!!! Patty > > Patty > > > -----Original Message----- > From: soarsister@cableone.net > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Heritage > > > Don't give up, keep searching. We found ours on the > Dawes and now my kids > and husband are Choctaw Tribal members. But what is > better than that is all > the new "cousins" I have found and we are now > sharing info! All these years > and we never knew them! > I can search on my end if you need help, let me > know...it is so worth > finding lost family, the Indian Tribal Membership is > just gravy, the real > meal is in the culture, history and lost family > members. > Carla > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of > free safety and security tools, free access to > millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > FREE!!! Genealogy software. Use to collect family tree. Use it to download GedCom files or to share GedCom files with new cousins you meet on the internet. Goto LEGACY.COM. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Patty....I to encourage you to continue to look. I think our list coordinator had some interesting information regarding native/african american heritage. Jerri...do you have any more info that might assist her in her search. jes

Do you have the news article scanned which you refer to? James ----- Original Message ----- From: <pkh5638@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Heritage > I'm not sure if this was directed at me but I wanted to respond to it > anyway. I hope that is OK because I have explored every other avenue I > have been told about. My husband's grandmother, Mary Headley, was a white > woman born in 1873-1874, who had a child, with a man who family legend > says was 1/2 black and 1/2 cherokee, who would have been born in Tenesee > (year unknown). No one knows what happened to the child, as he was not > listed in the newspaper account of the mob slaying that killed Mary and > her current "husband (their marriage was illegal, but we do have an > application for a marriage to Ed Chalmers from 1898 dated three months > before they were killed in 1898)." However though the family has the name > Frank Burton the only Frank Burton I have found of that era and location > (Oklahoma Indian territory) Married another black woman around 1893-1894, > about the time Mary's child, my husband's father was born. The only > documents prior to the mob slaying I have found so far are! > the marriage application and a court record where her father was accused > of attempted murder of a black man over a child that Mary did not want the > man to take with him when he moved out of her father's house. I am really > grasping at straws which is also how I found the documents I have > uncovered so far. If you or anyone you know can help, Please please ask me > questions or give me leads for places to search, anything at all! Thank > you!!! Patty > > Patty > > > -----Original Message----- > From: soarsister@cableone.net > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Heritage > > > Don't give up, keep searching. We found ours on the Dawes and now my kids > and husband are Choctaw Tribal members. But what is better than that is > all > the new "cousins" I have found and we are now sharing info! All these > years > and we never knew them! > I can search on my end if you need help, let me know...it is so worth > finding lost family, the Indian Tribal Membership is just gravy, the real > meal is in the culture, history and lost family members. > Carla > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

There are some links but not many. I guess you have tried the links at cherokee.org? ________________________________ From: indian-territory-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of PKH5638@aol.com Sent: Tue 9/12/2006 3:40 PM To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] freedmen enrollment This is a problem I have come across in my search. Has anyone found a way to locate people of African/Native American heritage? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure if this was directed at me but I wanted to respond to it anyway. I hope that is OK because I have explored every other avenue I have been told about. My husband's grandmother, Mary Headley, was a white woman born in 1873-1874, who had a child, with a man who family legend says was 1/2 black and 1/2 cherokee, who would have been born in Tenesee (year unknown). No one knows what happened to the child, as he was not listed in the newspaper account of the mob slaying that killed Mary and her current "husband (their marriage was illegal, but we do have an application for a marriage to Ed Chalmers from 1898 dated three months before they were killed in 1898)." However though the family has the name Frank Burton the only Frank Burton I have found of that era and location (Oklahoma Indian territory) Married another black woman around 1893-1894, about the time Mary's child, my husband's father was born. The only documents prior to the mob slaying I have found so far are! the marriage application and a court record where her father was accused of attempted murder of a black man over a child that Mary did not want the man to take with him when he moved out of her father's house. I am really grasping at straws which is also how I found the documents I have uncovered so far. If you or anyone you know can help, Please please ask me questions or give me leads for places to search, anything at all! Thank you!!! Patty Patty -----Original Message----- From: soarsister@cableone.net To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Heritage Don't give up, keep searching. We found ours on the Dawes and now my kids and husband are Choctaw Tribal members. But what is better than that is all the new "cousins" I have found and we are now sharing info! All these years and we never knew them! I can search on my end if you need help, let me know...it is so worth finding lost family, the Indian Tribal Membership is just gravy, the real meal is in the culture, history and lost family members. Carla ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

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Try the Kern's Clifton roll of freedmen Then talk to Preston on the Cherokeegene list Cherokeegene-request@rootsweb.com Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: <PKH5638@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] freedmen enrollment > This is a problem I have come across in my search. Has anyone found a way > to > locate people of African/Native American heritage? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/445 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 > >

This is a problem I have come across in my search. Has anyone found a way to locate people of African/Native American heritage?

I sent some links from my favorites. James ----- Original Message ----- From: <PKH5638@aol.com> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] freedmen enrollment > This is a problem I have come across in my search. Has anyone found a way > to > locate people of African/Native American heritage? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >