James there were no forfeitures. When the lands were allotted they were divided in various acreages so that all the children in the family received the same amount while all heads of families received the same amount. So in a large family, there could be a large number of acres where as just a husband and wife, if they were both members would each have the same amount. Many Cherokee households were headed by females. There may have been some unscrupulous and illegal land transactions after the lands were allotted but they were not part of any law. Those lands not in trust could be sold by the various citizens but even then then the government was notified. Land in trust has to have the approval of the BIA in order to pass out of the individual Indian's hands. The Dawes commission was not empowered to dispose of lands they were charged with the creation of a list of members of the tribes who would be eligible to receive their portion of the lands. The final say in these membership lists was a committee created by the tribe. This committee's decision was final but individuals who felt they were unjustly omitted could file legally and challenge the decision in a claim court set up to adjudicate these disagreements. All those court decisions were transcribed and are part of the record. Lathel ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Brown" <patton14@crosstel.net> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] land allotment > I need to know if the following scenario could have been a possibility? > > " Two people get married( lets assume they are members of the Creek Tribe.) They both have 160 acres land allotments. Because of there marriage, one must forfeit the allotment." > If this could have happened...to whom was the lamd forfeited? > Was it possible that this was some kind of compliance either with the Dawes Commission or "state" ? > > Thank You > > James BROWN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anybody out there from Harjo, OK or live nearby. Looking for an old cemetery, possibly grown-up. Many Indian graves there. Gr-Gr Grandma Maudie Mae (Blagg) Taylor was buried there in Oct. 1928. -- Fran

I am sooooo happy alot of you seem to be connecting some family names it seems thru other members. I've only been trying to find some answers a couple years. I"M STILL learning lil by lil. I just keep saving any emails that might CLICK later.. never know!! Oleta, I am so glad when you share stories, or Facts! This is what we need esp since our own elders in families are no longer around to tell us. also in my case they never talked to the children... so everything just is gone. I just remember some things my grandfather taught me, but as i get older it gets harder to remember things. I try to read what i can about what happened to the tribes. theres alota books out there that are'nt accurate. i am in Ohio & NOT alota info here. WE USED to have a Tribal Council here , but no longer. I would love to have someone that knows what they are talking about to "bend my ear". I have a cousin that was named Walker Carter...... makes me wonder!! That would be SIMPLE would'nt it....lol TY all! Paula

This is to JES and Jan-Oklahoma has the largest collection on all this outside of NATIONAL ARCHIVES IN WASHINGTON. For several years I've had two Volumes on this. In case you know Jack Baker , he is my cousin and he too lives here in OKC. These two volumes documents all this-All Trails clearly marked, etc. I was very active in lots of things and even though was married to a white man.he was as bad as I was or maybe worse. When he was hit with Lou Gehrig Disease and I lost him that is about all she wrote. Life wasn't worse living. But while he lived, we traveled a lot so I've been all over the USA including Eastern Cherokee Country. One time we were in New York City sitting in the car while my husband ran into this place and a gal standing in the window started looking at me and would not stop.However the minute I walked in she said Aren't you a Cherokee. I said yes and from Oklahoma. I'm very proud of my Cherokee Blood and my people were wealthy in the East. I'm also from the Lowreys.Jan, if you check Arkansas you will find me listed as Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite (Mrs. J. W.,Jr.). Since I'm now a widow I don't get aroud much anymore. Also, had a Pulmpnary Embolism while home alone but Good Lord still did not want me. Oleta On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 11:02:10 EDT janb0423@aol.com writes: > Jes, > > Good morning. > I am located in Bryant (which as you may know is approximately 10 > minutes > south of Little Rock on I-30). I love the area of the state where > you live. > Many, many years ago, I learned to water ski on Lake Dardanelle. > There should be > a lot of Cherokee history in your area, but I'm sure much of it was > > unappreciated in decades past and has been lost. > I hope you can go to the Sequoyah Research Center when you get to > Little > Rock. Did you know the Arkansas Chapter of the Trail of Tears is > also in Little > Rock? It (the Arkansas Chapter) is a part of the Arkansas Native > Press > Archives/Sequoyah Research Center and is located off-campus, but > almost right next > to U.A.L.R. on University Ave. Here is a link. The address and > phone number > are at the bottom of the page: > _http://www.nationaltota.org/_ (http://www.nationaltota.org/) > Jerra Quinton, the coordinator for this chapter, is wonderful; very > helpful. > > Recently (July 21, 2006), I received an e-newsletter from > Congressman Vic > Snyder. It was full of good news for those interested in the TOT. I > found it > especially interesting as I had done a presentation about the > Bell-Deas Route in > my Arkansas History class. Oleta may find it interesting as it also > relates > to the Benge Route. Here is the portion of the newsletter related > to the TOT: > > ____________________________________ > > > ____________________________________ > > > This Week In Congress > A bill encouraging the National Park Service to expand the current > National > Historic Trail of Tears to include additional routes used when the > Cherokee > were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands passed the > House on > Monday. H.R. 3085 encourages the Secretary of the Interior to > complete the Trail > from North Carolina to Oklahoma and preserve the paths that Cherokees > used to > find new land in Indian Territory. A large part of the Trail of > Tears runs > through Arkansas. > While the Trail of Tears story will always be one of sorrow and > regret, it > is important that we remember it accurately. Knowing the history of > our > country and the mistakes we have made helps us prevent repeating > such mistakes in > the future. With the recognition of the Benge and Bell paths, > Arkansans will > be able to know the historic footsteps taken in our state. > When the original Trail was designated in 1987 only primitive > research > existed, leaving two main arteries, Benge and Bell, omitted. Both > of these routes > pass through Arkansas. The Bell Route, traveled by John Bell's > Treaty Party > across Tennessee and Arkansas, leads up the Arkansas River through > North > Little Rock, Maumelle, Conway, and on to Fort Smith. The Benge > Route, used by > Cherokee leader John Benge's detachment, begins in Ft. Payne, > Alabama, passing > through Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, and northern Arkansas, > before arriving > in Oklahoma. > The Trail of Tears Documentation Act asks the Secretary of the > Interior to > study these additional trail segments, emigration depots, and land > components > and incorporate them into the national landmark. > > In the 1830s, the U.S. government began using forced treaties and > U.S. Army > action to relocate Native American tribes from their homes in the > eastern > United States into Indian Territory, now known as Oklahoma. Forced > removal of > the Cherokee took an estimated 15,000 from their homelands in > southern > Appalachia for a journey West that caused the loss of an estimated ¼ > of the tribes' > population, and would eventually be called the "Trail of Tears." > To see a detailed map of the Trail, which ran through North Little > Rock, > Conway, Maumelle and up the Arkansas river, visit the National Park > Service site > here _http://imgis.nps.gov/national_historic_trails.html_ > (http://imgis.nps.gov/national_historic_trails.html) > I was one of 20 cosponsors representing all eight states along the > historic > trail of the bill. Congressman Marion Berry (AR-01) and Congressman > Zach Wamp > (TN-03) were original cosponsors. > > ____________________________________ > > ____________________________________ > Let's hope this expansion of the TOT happens in our lifetime! > I thought I would mention one more resource in Little Rock for > research on > Cherokee Genealogy. The Arkansas History Commission has a lot of > info on this > and they are very helpful, as well. The AHC is located on the > grounds of the > state capital. Here is a link to their web page: > _http://www.ark-ives.com/_ > (http://www.ark-ives.com/) The "Selected Materials" page has a list > of > available materials related to Native American research. > I hope this info will be helpful to you and others on this list. > Have a great > day. > Jan > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

I need to know if the following scenario could have been a possibility? " Two people get married( lets assume they are members of the Creek Tribe.) They both have 160 acres land allotments. Because of there marriage, one must forfeit the allotment." If this could have happened...to whom was the lamd forfeited? Was it possible that this was some kind of compliance either with the Dawes Commission or "state" ? Thank You James BROWN

Hi Jes- It was the Oklahoma Historical Society Archives-was there for about five years then started volunteering at our Will Rogers Airport.I'm the only one out there who actually knew him long ago.My Grandparents lived in Fort Gibson and his In-lws were either next door or across the street.- so when Will and his wife came there we got to visit. Knew his kids too. He tried to get my Dad to move to California and run his ranch. Seems a million years ago. Speaking of that low life Jackson, he wouln't even see the Cherokees later. Oleta On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:52:18 EDT HealTheCircle@aol.com writes: > Yes...Oleta....I have heard the story of Andrew Jackson....and he was > no > friend to the Cherokee. I am aware of the story of him almost being > killed, > except for a Cherokee saving his life. And he repays them by > signing for the > Removal. But he was a politician. > > Now...Oleta was it the Sequoyah Research Center, in LR, where you > volunteered?? I live in Hector, AR (about an hour from LR), for > part of the year on my > family's land (Sikes,Voss)....and the rest of the year in WI. > > I was able to go to Tahlequah, last year, with a couple of friends > of mine, > and stayed at the Herrin's place....the one near the Heritage > Center. That > home has lots of old memories, I felt the presence of the old ones > there. > Understand that was built on the spot where some of the original > homes were?? > > That's when I saw the Heritage Center and the display about the TOT. > I > truly felt how it must have been by looking and hearing those > accounts. Did the > same at the Cherokee, NC, Eastern Nation Museaum. Have you been > there?? I > think both museums give you an idea of how horrible it was for the > > Cherokee...and the other tribes who were removed. > > I have not been to the Sequoyah Research Center, personally, as yet, > but > have researched their digital records of the articles on the "water > route". I > was very impressed with how avidly they are protecting the various > routes that > go through AR. I also want to go to the Symposium they have, but > I'm never > down there when it happens. > > Thanks again for your stories....hearing them first hand is the way > we learn > the "real history". > > jes > . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Jes-No I'm in Oklahoma City-I lived in Fayetteville long ago9-(Moved there because of Dad's job at new VA Hospitl. Oleta On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 08:57:39 EDT HealTheCircle@aol.com writes: > Jan...I was just running through the messages and noticed that you > and I > talked about the Sequoyah Research Center at about the same time. > Where are you > located?? I'm in Hector, AR....just North of Russellville, which > is West of > Lirttle Rock. I'll be back down there in late October, early > November. > > Oleta, are you in this area as well?? > > jes > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >

Jes, Good morning. I am located in Bryant (which as you may know is approximately 10 minutes south of Little Rock on I-30). I love the area of the state where you live. Many, many years ago, I learned to water ski on Lake Dardanelle. There should be a lot of Cherokee history in your area, but I'm sure much of it was unappreciated in decades past and has been lost. I hope you can go to the Sequoyah Research Center when you get to Little Rock. Did you know the Arkansas Chapter of the Trail of Tears is also in Little Rock? It (the Arkansas Chapter) is a part of the Arkansas Native Press Archives/Sequoyah Research Center and is located off-campus, but almost right next to U.A.L.R. on University Ave. Here is a link. The address and phone number are at the bottom of the page: _http://www.nationaltota.org/_ (http://www.nationaltota.org/) Jerra Quinton, the coordinator for this chapter, is wonderful; very helpful. Recently (July 21, 2006), I received an e-newsletter from Congressman Vic Snyder. It was full of good news for those interested in the TOT. I found it especially interesting as I had done a presentation about the Bell-Deas Route in my Arkansas History class. Oleta may find it interesting as it also relates to the Benge Route. Here is the portion of the newsletter related to the TOT: ____________________________________ ____________________________________ This Week In Congress A bill encouraging the National Park Service to expand the current National Historic Trail of Tears to include additional routes used when the Cherokee were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands passed the House on Monday. H.R. 3085 encourages the Secretary of the Interior to complete the Trail from North Carolina to Oklahoma and preserve the paths that Cherokees used to find new land in Indian Territory. A large part of the Trail of Tears runs through Arkansas. While the Trail of Tears story will always be one of sorrow and regret, it is important that we remember it accurately. Knowing the history of our country and the mistakes we have made helps us prevent repeating such mistakes in the future. With the recognition of the Benge and Bell paths, Arkansans will be able to know the historic footsteps taken in our state. When the original Trail was designated in 1987 only primitive research existed, leaving two main arteries, Benge and Bell, omitted. Both of these routes pass through Arkansas. The Bell Route, traveled by John Bell's Treaty Party across Tennessee and Arkansas, leads up the Arkansas River through North Little Rock, Maumelle, Conway, and on to Fort Smith. The Benge Route, used by Cherokee leader John Benge's detachment, begins in Ft. Payne, Alabama, passing through Tennessee, Kentucky, Missouri, and northern Arkansas, before arriving in Oklahoma. The Trail of Tears Documentation Act asks the Secretary of the Interior to study these additional trail segments, emigration depots, and land components and incorporate them into the national landmark. In the 1830s, the U.S. government began using forced treaties and U.S. Army action to relocate Native American tribes from their homes in the eastern United States into Indian Territory, now known as Oklahoma. Forced removal of the Cherokee took an estimated 15,000 from their homelands in southern Appalachia for a journey West that caused the loss of an estimated ¼ of the tribes' population, and would eventually be called the "Trail of Tears." To see a detailed map of the Trail, which ran through North Little Rock, Conway, Maumelle and up the Arkansas river, visit the National Park Service site here _http://imgis.nps.gov/national_historic_trails.html_ (http://imgis.nps.gov/national_historic_trails.html) I was one of 20 cosponsors representing all eight states along the historic trail of the bill. Congressman Marion Berry (AR-01) and Congressman Zach Wamp (TN-03) were original cosponsors. ____________________________________ ____________________________________ Let's hope this expansion of the TOT happens in our lifetime! I thought I would mention one more resource in Little Rock for research on Cherokee Genealogy. The Arkansas History Commission has a lot of info on this and they are very helpful, as well. The AHC is located on the grounds of the state capital. Here is a link to their web page: _http://www.ark-ives.com/_ (http://www.ark-ives.com/) The "Selected Materials" page has a list of available materials related to Native American research. I hope this info will be helpful to you and others on this list. Have a great day. Jan

On the Hensley name....I am remembering something I read or someone told me of a Hensley...white.. who became a member of the tribe by marrying a Cherokee woman. Oleta, or anyone, does this ring a bell with you?? I was tracing my John L Sanders (who was supposed to be also known as John Walkingstick...theory by another in my family...not documented as yet) when I came upon this.. I think it was because there was a thought that Sanders married a Walkingstick, and took on that name...something about Hensley doing the same. This is all pretty foggy...but I ran across Michael Walkingstick in my research. Perhaps he has some more info along those lines. Used to see him post here quite often. He was also at the Symposium last year....I believe. Not sure if you're still out there Michael or not?? jes

Jan...I was just running through the messages and noticed that you and I talked about the Sequoyah Research Center at about the same time. Where are you located?? I'm in Hector, AR....just North of Russellville, which is West of Lirttle Rock. I'll be back down there in late October, early November. Oleta, are you in this area as well?? jes

Yes...Oleta....I have heard the story of Andrew Jackson....and he was no friend to the Cherokee. I am aware of the story of him almost being killed, except for a Cherokee saving his life. And he repays them by signing for the Removal. But he was a politician. Now...Oleta was it the Sequoyah Research Center, in LR, where you volunteered?? I live in Hector, AR (about an hour from LR), for part of the year on my family's land (Sikes,Voss)....and the rest of the year in WI. I was able to go to Tahlequah, last year, with a couple of friends of mine, and stayed at the Herrin's place....the one near the Heritage Center. That home has lots of old memories, I felt the presence of the old ones there. Understand that was built on the spot where some of the original homes were?? That's when I saw the Heritage Center and the display about the TOT. I truly felt how it must have been by looking and hearing those accounts. Did the same at the Cherokee, NC, Eastern Nation Museaum. Have you been there?? I think both museums give you an idea of how horrible it was for the Cherokee...and the other tribes who were removed. I have not been to the Sequoyah Research Center, personally, as yet, but have researched their digital records of the articles on the "water route". I was very impressed with how avidly they are protecting the various routes that go through AR. I also want to go to the Symposium they have, but I'm never down there when it happens. Thanks again for your stories....hearing them first hand is the way we learn the "real history". jes .

Lena Have you spoken to Shirley Seiting about the Wrights? Joyce Gaston Reece ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lena" <lena@valu-line.net> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS Digest, Vol 1,Issue 37 > glad to get the link to the Sequoyah center, maybe it will help me find my > Wrights. > Lena > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 9/29/2006 > >

http://www.okhistory.org/res/timeline.htm

Oleta, Isn't he (Dr. Littlefield) just wonderful! I should thank you as well for your work at the center. I am a (middle-aged) college student. I want to major in history; perhaps Native American history. Recently, I did a presentation on the Trail of Tears Through Arkansas for my Arkansas History class. I traced one contingent (Bell-Deas) from their departure in TN all through Arkansas to I.T. With the materials Dr. Littlefield gave me access to, I was able to give an informative presentation. I was even told by my professor that I should give the presentation to the Arkansas History Commission. What a compliment. I was familiar with the center because I had heard Dr. Littlefield speak about Native American genealogical research at a local library. However, I was amazed at the wealth of information that was available at the center. I plan to transfer to U.A.L.R. in the spring and have already offered my services to Dr. Littlefield as a volunteer. I know that whatever help I will be able to give the center as a volunteer, I will personally benefit ten-fold, simply because of what I will learn while working there. Have a great day. Jan

Joyce, Thank you, Kathy > > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2006/09/30 Sat AM 08:04:10 CDT > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > The Blankenships connect to the Brackett's who connect to the Rapers who > connect to the McDaniels who connect to the descendents of Nancy Ward > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <repete58@alltel.net> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > > > Oleta, > > I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted to > > ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas HENSLEY, his > > father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she was Della Jane > > JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. My gradmother was > > Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. BLANKENSHIP, his father was > > Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my grandfather had a card but he and his > > wife divorced years before his death and we are not able to find a copy of > > it. My question is where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a > > copy? > > > > I would be very grateful for any help you might give. > > Thank you, > > Kathy > >> > >> From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > >> Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT > >> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > >> Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many Cherokees > >> who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing our > >> dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James ,my > >> Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers stated he > >> was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a knock > >> on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His answer > >> was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to prove > >> it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a bayonet.I've got > >> copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's mom was > >> Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander on one > >> of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two was > >> Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my Uncle. > >> Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB because > >> like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you would put > >> it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I have > >> made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high > >> cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you should > >> have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my Dad's > >> father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta > >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" <patton14@crosstel.net> > >> writes: > >> > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , certainly > >> > not as > >> > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or your > >> > Cherokee > >> > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to this > >> > list.I was > >> > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply for > >> > a CDIB > >> > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a > >> > CDIB, I > >> > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for their > >> > own > >> > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended you. > >> > > >> > > >> > James > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > > >> > > >> > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. In > >> > my > >> > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My mother > >> > and my > >> > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are well > >> > known. > >> > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any requirement > >> > and my > >> > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired from > >> > the U. > >> > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with > >> > the > >> > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five years. > >> > You can > >> > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to > >> > check up > >> > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called a > >> > County > >> > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately > >> > that as > >> > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County I > >> > should > >> > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group but I > >> > guess > >> > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung around. > >> > Don > >> > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so I've > >> > had > >> > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you all > >> > the > >> > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well > >> > known > >> > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not > >> > important > >> > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked for > >> > but if > >> > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. I've > >> > been > >> > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have gotten > >> > the > >> > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite > >> > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" > >> > <patton14@crosstel.net> > >> > > writes: > >> > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of a > >> > >> response, but > >> > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your > >> > choice > >> > >> not to > >> > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements established > >> > by > >> > >> BIA > >> > >> and/or tribal membership department? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> James > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy in > >> > the > >> > >> East > >> > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many books > >> > >> and even > >> > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to be > >> > >> Guardian for > >> > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can > >> > guess > >> > >> what > >> > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage > >> > and > >> > >> she had a > >> > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this > >> > happened > >> > >> in the > >> > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies > >> > because > >> > >> the > >> > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than > >> > one > >> > >> fourth. I > >> > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State Indian > >> > >> Archives > >> > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes > >> > enrollment > >> > >> was > >> > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this was > >> > >> between > >> > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified from > >> > >> either > >> > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never > >> > gotten a > >> > >> CDIB > >> > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from Nancy > >> > Ward. > >> > >> I'm > >> > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: > >> > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of the > >> > >> Cherokee > >> > >> >> Nation > >> > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all have > >> > >> varying > >> > >> >> degrees of > >> > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have different > >> > >> blood > >> > >> >> degrees. > >> > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother > >> > that > >> > >> >> most were > >> > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really were > >> > >> because > >> > >> >> if you were > >> > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white overseer > >> > of > >> > >> >> your > >> > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since I > >> > am > >> > >> a > >> > >> >> descendant of Nancy > >> > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on my > >> > >> >> grandmother's side > >> > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see differences > >> > in > >> > >> blood > >> > >> >> degree > >> > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my ancestors > >> > >> listed. > >> > >> >> I think > >> > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their > >> > >> Cherokee > >> > >> >> pride. We > >> > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most > >> > were > >> > >> just > >> > >> >> trying to > >> > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up poor > >> > my > >> > >> >> great > >> > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness > >> > and > >> > >> >> accidents and on both > >> > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I > >> > think > >> > >> it > >> > >> >> has taken > >> > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's and > >> > I > >> > >> are > >> > >> >> the first > >> > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Robin Smith > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > >> > of > >> > >> the > >> > >> >> message > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> 'unsubscribe' > >> > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > >> > the > >> > >> message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubscribe' > >> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > >> > message > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joyce, Thank you, Kathy > > From: "Joyce G. Reece" <bjreece@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2006/09/30 Sat AM 08:04:10 CDT > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > The Blankenships connect to the Brackett's who connect to the Rapers who > connect to the McDaniels who connect to the descendents of Nancy Ward > > Joyce Gaston Reece > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <repete58@alltel.net> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > > > Oleta, > > I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted to > > ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas HENSLEY, his > > father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she was Della Jane > > JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. My gradmother was > > Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. BLANKENSHIP, his father was > > Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my grandfather had a card but he and his > > wife divorced years before his death and we are not able to find a copy of > > it. My question is where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a > > copy? > > > > I would be very grateful for any help you might give. > > Thank you, > > Kathy > >> > >> From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > >> Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT > >> To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > >> Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many Cherokees > >> who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing our > >> dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James ,my > >> Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers stated he > >> was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a knock > >> on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His answer > >> was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to prove > >> it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a bayonet.I've got > >> copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's mom was > >> Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander on one > >> of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two was > >> Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my Uncle. > >> Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB because > >> like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you would put > >> it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I have > >> made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high > >> cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you should > >> have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my Dad's > >> father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta > >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" <patton14@crosstel.net> > >> writes: > >> > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , certainly > >> > not as > >> > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or your > >> > Cherokee > >> > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to this > >> > list.I was > >> > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply for > >> > a CDIB > >> > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a > >> > CDIB, I > >> > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for their > >> > own > >> > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended you. > >> > > >> > > >> > James > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > > >> > > >> > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. In > >> > my > >> > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My mother > >> > and my > >> > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are well > >> > known. > >> > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any requirement > >> > and my > >> > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired from > >> > the U. > >> > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with > >> > the > >> > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five years. > >> > You can > >> > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to > >> > check up > >> > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called a > >> > County > >> > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately > >> > that as > >> > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County I > >> > should > >> > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group but I > >> > guess > >> > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung around. > >> > Don > >> > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so I've > >> > had > >> > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you all > >> > the > >> > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well > >> > known > >> > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not > >> > important > >> > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked for > >> > but if > >> > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. I've > >> > been > >> > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have gotten > >> > the > >> > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite > >> > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" > >> > <patton14@crosstel.net> > >> > > writes: > >> > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of a > >> > >> response, but > >> > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your > >> > choice > >> > >> not to > >> > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements established > >> > by > >> > >> BIA > >> > >> and/or tribal membership department? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> James > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > >> > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > >> > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM > >> > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy in > >> > the > >> > >> East > >> > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many books > >> > >> and even > >> > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to be > >> > >> Guardian for > >> > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can > >> > guess > >> > >> what > >> > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage > >> > and > >> > >> she had a > >> > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this > >> > happened > >> > >> in the > >> > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies > >> > because > >> > >> the > >> > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than > >> > one > >> > >> fourth. I > >> > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State Indian > >> > >> Archives > >> > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes > >> > enrollment > >> > >> was > >> > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this was > >> > >> between > >> > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified from > >> > >> either > >> > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never > >> > gotten a > >> > >> CDIB > >> > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from Nancy > >> > Ward. > >> > >> I'm > >> > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > >> > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: > >> > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of the > >> > >> Cherokee > >> > >> >> Nation > >> > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all have > >> > >> varying > >> > >> >> degrees of > >> > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have different > >> > >> blood > >> > >> >> degrees. > >> > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother > >> > that > >> > >> >> most were > >> > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really were > >> > >> because > >> > >> >> if you were > >> > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white overseer > >> > of > >> > >> >> your > >> > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since I > >> > am > >> > >> a > >> > >> >> descendant of Nancy > >> > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on my > >> > >> >> grandmother's side > >> > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see differences > >> > in > >> > >> blood > >> > >> >> degree > >> > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my ancestors > >> > >> listed. > >> > >> >> I think > >> > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their > >> > >> Cherokee > >> > >> >> pride. We > >> > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most > >> > were > >> > >> just > >> > >> >> trying to > >> > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up poor > >> > my > >> > >> >> great > >> > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness > >> > and > >> > >> >> accidents and on both > >> > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I > >> > think > >> > >> it > >> > >> >> has taken > >> > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's and > >> > I > >> > >> are > >> > >> >> the first > >> > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Robin Smith > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > >> > of > >> > >> the > >> > >> >> message > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> 'unsubscribe' > >> > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > >> > the > >> > >> message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------------- > >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubscribe' > >> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > >> > message > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 9/27/2006 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Oleta, Thank you for writing me back. I have only been researching my family history for about a year. I did not really know my father’s family as my grandmother and grandfather divorced when my dad was about three years old. I did not really know my grandfather…but I did meet him when I was about 6 years old. I have been told by my grandmother, that my grandfather’s mother, or grandmother was full blooded Cherokee. My grandfather, William Thomas HENSLEY was born in Temperance Hall, DeKalb County, TN on April 11, 1913 he died on March 5, 1988. He is buried in Dekalb County, Smithville, TN in the Kennedy Cemetery. I do have a copy of his death certificate. His mother, Della Jane JONES was born August 2, 1894 in TN, I do not know where. She died on June 26, 1976 and is buried in Lebanon, Wilson County, TN in the Williams Cemetery. I have a copy of her death certificate. Della’s father, my great great-grandfather, was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX JONES, and according to the 1920, and 1930 Davidson County, Nashville, TN US Federal Census he was born in 1848. On both of these Census he claims that his father was born in NC. His mother, he states, was born in TN. I do not have any documentation of his date of death. I only know that he was alive in 1930. I am not sure of his father or mother’s name. I know that he was born a SILCOX but later changed his name to JONES. He was known as the “Medicine Man“. According to family history he was a vet and had the ability to heal. He would travel by horse for months at a time and visit different states, farms, settlements, and villages. He served in the Civil War and was captured by the Union Army and family history claims that he was rescued by Indians. It may just be family lore. But the 1930 Census states that he did serve in the Civil War. Della’s mother, my great great-grandmother was Mary Ann Elizabeth LOWE and according to the 1920 and 1930 Davidson County, Nashville, TN she was born in 1862. She states that her parents were both born in TN. I do not have any documented proof as to when she died or where she was born. I only know that she was alive in 1930. I do not know who her parents were at this time. William Thomas Hensley’s father, my great grandfather was Charles G. HINESLY/HENSLEY he was born in 1878 in TN. I have no documented proof of his birth or death. His parents were William HINSLEY/HENSLEY born 1852 in TN, and Nancy Elizabeth BATES born in 1853 in TN. My grandmother, Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP was born in Allen County, KY, just across the TN state line, on April 21, 1916 and died on June 6, 1982 she is buried in Jefferson County, Louisville, KY in the Bethany Cemetery. I do have a copy of her death certificate. Her father, my great grandfather was James Alfred BLANKENSHIP he was born April 18, 1874 in Lafayette, Macon County, TN he died Feb 08, 1941 and is buried in Davidson County, Nashville TN. Her mother, my great grandmother was Mattie Victoria WEEMS she was born in Lafayette, Macon County TN in Oct 1880 she died on March 02, 1959 in Jefferson County, Louisville, KY. Ruby’s grandfather, my great great-grandfather was Isham BLANKENSHIP he was married to Missouri Frances WHALEY/WHEELEY, she was born in 1846 in NC. Isham’s parents were Joel BLANKENSHIP and Mary Polly HARDY. Joel’s parents were Hezekiah BLANKENSHIP and Rhoda MEADOR I hope that this was not too much information. I really would love to hear any words of wisdom that you might be willing to share with me. Best Regards, Kathy > > From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > Date: 2006/09/30 Sat PM 12:56:28 CDT > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > CC: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] : Natural Archives closure > > Kathy, By a card I presume you might mean a Card giving Blood Quantum > however jut a card would be of no use to anyone. Before you wrote to > anyone-what kind of a card and who issued the card. It could just be a > Membership Card of some kind. Where did he live? Is there a death > certificate? Where is he buried? Do you think the card might have > something to do with an Indian Tribe? There are 37 (I think)? Indian > Tribes in Oklahoma alone.If you can answer some of these questions I > might be able to help you. Oleta > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 6:29:27 -0500 <repete58@alltel.net> writes: > > Oleta, > > I see from your responses that you are very knowledgeable. I wanted > > to ask you a question if might. My gradfather was William Thomas > > HENSLEY, his father was Charley HENSLEY, his mother was a JONES,she > > was Della Jane JONES. Her father was Thomas Jefferson SILCOX/JONES. > > My gradmother was Ruby Dell BLANKENSHIP, her father was James A. > > BLANKENSHIP, his father was Isham BLANKENSHIP. I am told that my > > grandfather had a card but he and his wife divorced years before his > > death and we are not able to find a copy of it. My question is > > where could I write to get a copy, or inquire about a copy? > > > > I would be very grateful for any help you might give. > > Thank you, > > Kathy > > > > > > From: J W Kite Jr <obengekite@juno.com> > > > Date: 2006/09/29 Fri PM 07:50:16 CDT > > > To: indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > > > > > Dear James, No you did not offend me at all. There were many > > Cherokees > > > who did not enroll because they thought it was just another thing > > our > > > dear Gov't. set up to finish stealing them blind. You know James > > ,my > > > Grandfather owned land on the Mountain, his marriage or papers > > stated he > > > was a white man married to a Cherokee-anyway this day there was a > > knock > > > on the door and it was the jerks teling him he had to leave. His > > answer > > > was I'm not going anywhere-I own this property and have papers to > > prove > > > it. Then and there he was marched off at the [point of a > > bayonet.I've got > > > copies of all this. The Lowreys are my family too. My Mother's > > mom was > > > Ballard-another good old Cherokee name.My Cousin was a Commander > > on one > > > of the Wagons coming West. My Paternal Grandfather back one or two > > was > > > Colonel John Lowrey and Major George Lowrey, his brother was my > > Uncle. > > > Also, now there are many Cherokees who have not gotten a CDIB > > because > > > like me they are able to finance themselves I guess is how you > > would put > > > it. The Government has never spent a dime on me. My husband and I > > have > > > made it ouselves. Ive got those big brown eyes, olive skin , high > > > cheekbones and dark brown hair. Mom and Dad did too however you > > should > > > have seen my brother-he was fair skin, blue eyes and took after my > > Dad's > > > father. Guess I've bent your ear enough for tonight. Oleta > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 15:49:49 -0500 "James Brown" > > <patton14@crosstel.net> > > > writes: > > > > Thank you Ms. Kite, I wasn't questioning your credentials , > > certainly > > > > not as > > > > a very knowledgeable historian of Native American history or > > your > > > > Cherokee > > > > ancestry. I believe that speaks for itself re your posts to > > this > > > > list.I was > > > > actually wondering if there are persons that choose not to apply > > for > > > > a CDIB > > > > for their own reasons. When you stated you hand never obtained a > > > > > > CDIB, I > > > > wondered if it was because your ancestors chose not to ( for > > their > > > > own > > > > reasons ) to sign the Dawes Rolls.My apologies if I offended > > you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > James > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > > > > To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 3:30 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives closure > > > > > > > > > > > > >I chose not to ask for one because one has never been needed. > > In > > > > my > > > > > lineage I've got Chiefs and other well known relatives. My > > mother > > > > and my > > > > > father are Cherokees but not full bloods. My Cherokee kin are > > well > > > > known. > > > > > Sequoyah is related to me. I can certainly meet any > > requirement > > > > and my > > > > > parents and grandparents are on the Final Rolls.I'm retired > > from > > > > the U. > > > > > S. Government -DHEW-Indian Health Service and have worked with > > > > > > the > > > > > Tribes.I volunteered at the State Indian Archives for five > > years. > > > > You can > > > > > contact Mr. William Welge who is the Director if you'd like to > > > > > > check up > > > > > on me. I get calls from Washington, D. C. sometimes. I called > > a > > > > County > > > > > Office one time and gave my name. The girl told me immediately > > > > > > that as > > > > > much as my family had to do with the beginning of that County > > I > > > > should > > > > > join. I thought I could be of some assistance to this group > > but I > > > > guess > > > > > not. I'm sorta well known or rather my name has been slung > > around. > > > > Don > > > > > Chestnut is my cousin. I married a white man from Alabama so > > I've > > > > had > > > > > both worlds. If you have a Cherokee Roll book I'll send you > > all > > > > the > > > > > numbers you need to find my people. I'm also English and well > > > > > > known > > > > > relatives along with some Kings and Queens which certainly not > > > > > > important > > > > > and also Scots./I realized I've given you more than you asked > > for > > > > but if > > > > > you think of anything else you'd like to know just write me. > > I've > > > > been > > > > > told by people had it not been for me they never would have > > gotten > > > > the > > > > > things straightened out. Oleta Elizabeth Benge Kite > > > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:28:48 -0500 "James Brown" > > > > <patton14@crosstel.net> > > > > > writes: > > > > >> This question is none of my business and perhaps unworthy of > > a > > > > >> response, but > > > > >> I'm curious. Did you not obtain a CDIB as a matter of your > > > > choice > > > > >> not to > > > > >> apply or because you couldn't meet the requirements > > established > > > > by > > > > >> BIA > > > > >> and/or tribal membership department? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> James > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "J W Kite Jr" <obengekite@juno.com> > > > > >> To: <indian-territory-roots@rootsweb.com> > > > > >> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 9:21 AM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS] Natural Archives > > closure > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Dear Robin, Our family went through this. They were wealthy > > in > > > > the > > > > >> East > > > > >> > and my family is pretty well known-written about in many > > books > > > > >> and even > > > > >> > though my Grandfather was one half he was not allowed to > > be > > > > >> Guardian for > > > > >> > his children-had to have whites appointed and yes you can > > > > guess > > > > >> what > > > > >> > happened. My sister-in-laws cousin married a wealthy Osage > > > > > > and > > > > >> she had a > > > > >> > son . She had to get permission to buy him shoes and this > > > > happened > > > > >> in the > > > > >> > 40s or 50s. In a lot of cases the amount of blood varies > > > > because > > > > >> the > > > > >> > people did not want to be restricted if they were more than > > > > > > one > > > > >> fourth. I > > > > >> > am a Cherokee-volunteered for five years in our State > > Indian > > > > >> Archives > > > > >> > working closely with BIA, etc. in Washington. The Dawes > > > > enrollment > > > > >> was > > > > >> > for Cherokees who had landed in Indian Territory and this > > was > > > > >> between > > > > >> > 1898 and 1906-anyone born after that could get certified > > from > > > > >> either > > > > >> > parents or grandparents who were on the rolls. I've never > > > > gotten a > > > > >> CDIB > > > > >> > card but am right at one half. I too am descended from > > Nancy > > > > Ward. > > > > >> I'm > > > > >> > also retired from DHEW-Indian Health Service. Oleta > > > > >> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:51:39 EDT Smithfx7@aol.com writes: > > > > >> >> I am Cherokee and have a CDIB card and am a citizen of > > the > > > > >> Cherokee > > > > >> >> Nation > > > > >> >> in OK. My ancestors that are listed on the Dawes all > > have > > > > >> varying > > > > >> >> degrees of > > > > >> >> blood quantum, siblings with the same parents have > > different > > > > >> blood > > > > >> >> degrees. > > > > >> >> I was always told by my grandparents and great grandmother > > > > > > that > > > > >> >> most were > > > > >> >> afraid to say they were more Cherokee than they really > > were > > > > >> because > > > > >> >> if you were > > > > >> >> more than a 1/4 the government would assign a white > > overseer > > > > of > > > > >> >> your > > > > >> >> allotment. My blood line is fairly easy to trace since > > I > > > > am > > > > >> a > > > > >> >> descendant of Nancy > > > > >> >> Ward on my grandfather's side and Major John Downing on > > my > > > > >> >> grandmother's side > > > > >> >> there was a lot of documentation . I also see > > differences > > > > in > > > > >> blood > > > > >> >> degree > > > > >> >> on the 1900 census vs the Dawes roll in what my > > ancestors > > > > >> listed. > > > > >> >> I think > > > > >> >> that makes no difference in how that reflected in their > > > > >> Cherokee > > > > >> >> pride. We > > > > >> >> have to remember that times were different back then most > > > > > > were > > > > >> just > > > > >> >> trying to > > > > >> >> survive. My ancestors started out wealthy and ended up > > poor > > > > my > > > > >> >> great > > > > >> >> grandmother lost her husband and 6 children from sickness > > > > > > and > > > > >> >> accidents and on both > > > > >> >> sides of my family they had houses that burned down. I > > > > > > think > > > > >> it > > > > >> >> has taken > > > > >> >> all the way up to my generation to catch up, my sister's > > and > > > > I > > > > >> are > > > > >> >> the first > > > > >> >> to own houses and be able to keep up with the Jones's. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Robin Smith > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> ------------------------------- > > > > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > >> >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > > body > > > > of > > > > >> the > > > > >> >> message > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ------------------------------- > > > > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > >> > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > >> 'unsubscribe' > > > > >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > >> INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > > > the > > > > >> message > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' > > > > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the > > > > message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

there are several Old Chiefs on ancestry.com mostly from Montana Carla

glad to get the link to the Sequoyah center, maybe it will help me find my Wrights. Lena

Jan, I've been fortunate as I saw and was around Dr. Littlefield while volunteering there five years. Oleta E. Kite On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:30:44 EDT janb0423@aol.com writes: > Hello all, > I just had to pipe in here; glad to finally have something to > contribute > that might be helpful. > I live just outside of Little Rock and I'm very familiar with the > Sequoyah > Research Center. Here is a link to their web page. The center is > under the > heading of The American Native Press Archive at the University of > Arkansas at > Little Rock. The material they have on-hand is awesome.They still > have many > documents that have not yet been catalogued and made available and > they are in > the process of making those ready. > _http://www.anpa.ualr.edu/_ (http://www.anpa.ualr.edu/) > > This year's symposium is Oct. 19 - 21, 2006. > > The director of the ANPA is Dr. Dan Littlefield. He is amazing. I > someday > hope to have a smidgen of his knowledge on the subject. > > Best to you all, > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIAN-TERRITORY-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >