Gloria wrote: > <snip>I have been searching for information on my Birdsong family from > Southeast OK (I.T.). They moved there originally in the 1860's. Recently I > was told that there are Birdsongs listed on the Choctaw Rolls. Can anyone > tell me > how I might find out this information. The family lived in an area somewhere > surrounding McAlester but maybe not necessarily in Pittsburg County the whole > time. <snip> Gloria- The only Birdsongs who are listed on the Choctaw Rolls are not listed as Choctaw Indians- They are listed as "Freedman"-- being the black descendants of the former slaves of the Choctaw Indians. I have done some research on the Birdsong family who were in the Fulton and Izard Co AR area pretty early. They went back to TN, if I remember correctly. jc

When I try to go to this site is says "Not Found". Does anyone know if it moved or ..........? Native American Site at http://www.i-america.net/homepages/sngunn/new.html Thanks, GAL

Barbara - The I.O.O.F. was (and still is) the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, a fraternal and benevolent society. Also, they often funded and managed cemeteries where members and members families could be buried. Linda Schreiber ISO HOOVER, SALISBURY/SALSBERRY OK/MO PECK, DOWD OH/NY/PA

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------03AC831A0B12A4A7EAEC43B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DNorkus@aol.com wrote: > I have information from a 1906 Tamaha, I.T., newspaper announcing Lodge > meetings. Does anyone know what the initials A.F. & A.M. stand for? It > (they?) was Tamaha Lodge No. 8 and says "A.T. Hill, W.M - W. B. Davidson, > Sec." W. B. DAVIDSON was my ggrandfather. Know what the W.M. after Mr. > Hill's name means? There was another group who's initials were I.O.O.F. and > were Tamaha Lodge No. 49. Wish they had spelled all this out! > > Any translations are appreciated! *-) > > Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus Barbara, The initals stand for Ancient Free & Accepted Masons, The W. M. Stand for Worshipfull Master, a type of rank in the lodge. i would think that the A.T.Hillwas the name of the lodge. He was probably a local that did good work in the community. Jim Dodson jdson@ionet.net --------------03AC831A0B12A4A7EAEC43B0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="jdson.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Jim Dodson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jdson.vcf" begin:vcard n:Dodson;Jim tel;fax:918-835-2644 tel;home:918-835-1942 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:jdson@ionet.net / buckneked@email.com fn:Jim Dodson end:vcard --------------03AC831A0B12A4A7EAEC43B0--

In response to Native American/American Indian info. there is several sites. One NAILS;NARA ARCHIVAL INFORMATION LOCATER; http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail.html >> Native American Wills 1911-1921; http://nawillsprobate.hypermart.net/ >> http://www.pond.com/~lynn/native.html >>You can visit many sites from this one. Choctaw; http://www.niti.net/~michael/choctaw/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Choctaw Nation; http://www.toners.com/choctaw/ >>>>> :~} Martha

I.O.O.F = Independent Order of Odd Fellows You can find out more at this website: http://128.125.109.137/IOOF.shtml Debbie

In a message dated 12/27/98 12:45:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, snoop@lodelink.com writes: << When I try to go to this site is says "Not Found". Does anyone know if it moved or ..........? Native American Site at http://www.i-america.net/homepages/sngunn/new.html Thanks, GAL >> GAL, Try this URL address: http://www.i-america.net/homepages/sngunn/index.html or this URL http://www.i-america.net/homepages/sngunn/links.html I believe you will find what you want there. Here's a hint. When I go to a URL address and it indicates that the site is not found, I start deleting letters from the right to the left. That is how I found this website for you. You indicated that the website: http://www.i-america.net/homepages/sngunn/new.html was not found so I deleted the /new.html . This took me to the persons base webpage area with their provider, in this case sngunn . Try it the next time you get a website not found, sometimes the webpage creator has just simply renamed the webpage! Just a suggestion! Debbie

I believe the I.O.O.F. stands for International Order Of Forestors.

Joni, I saw your reply to TRoberts and am hoping to impose upon you a little...in the book you have, is there by chance any mention of any member of the "COBB" family? Jeanne

TRoberts: I read your posting on the Indian Roots list. I have a book entitled, History of Indian Territory, that is 98 years old. It is a genealogical biographical type book. I noticed the VANN surname in this book. Although this is no relation to my lines, I'm just trying to help others with this fabulous book. Here's what the bio states. Enjoy! Joni Valley Stockinger JLVSTOCK@aol.com History of Indian Territory, Lewis Publishing Co. 1901 page 288 with a picture of D.W. Vann DANIEL WEBSTER VANN A prominent and progressive citizen of Pryor Creek, Indian Territory, is Daniel Webster Van, the subject of this sketch. Mr. Vann was born in the Cherokee nation, Indian Territory, October 12, 1845, and was the son of James and Elizabeth (Eaton) Vann, both of whom are deceased. His early education was acquired at the public schools of the nation. When he was sixteen years old he enlisted in Company D, First Cherokee Cavalry, commanded by Colonel J. Bell, and at the close of the war had been promoted to the position of sergeant. He participated in the battles of Elkhorn, Newtona (Missori) Elk Creek, Cabin Creek and numerous lesser engagements. After the war he returned to the Cherokee nation and engaged in farming and the raising of stock, near Pryor Creek, in which business he is still engaged. He owns about five hundred acres of land and has adopted modern scientific ideas, crossing his stock with Hereford blood. Mr. Vann has been successful in his ventures and is evidently a good representative of this section. In 1868 Mr. Vann was married to Miss Tookah Riley, but her death followed shortly after. October 6, 1870, he married Miss Clerinda Rowe, the daughter of Judge David Rowe, of the Saline district. Nine interesting children have been born to Mr. and Mrs. Vann: Jennie C., deceased October 1, 1871 Joseph R. who died June 1, 1874 Maggie E. who died November 10, 1877 Ada born December 7, 1879 David W., Jr. August 24, 1883 Clerinda A. January 24, 1886 William C. August 22, 1888 Jesse C. (deceased) born February 13, 1891 Emina E. born April 6, 1892 Mr. Vann has lived at his present residence for thirty years. He erected the Methodist church, where he is a consistent member, and the schoolhouse of his district. For ten years Mr. Vann was a member of the national council of the Cherokee nation and three times has been called upon to become a member of the committee for revising the rolls. Socially he is a member of the Masonic fraternity and of the A.H.T.A. In politics he is a Democrat. Mr. Vann has the esteem of a large circle of friends.

Joni writes: >TRoberts: >I read your posting on the Indian Roots list. I have a book entitled, History >of Indian Territory, that is 98 years old. It is a genealogical biographical >type book. I noticed the VANN surname in this book. Although this is no >relation to my lines, I'm just trying to help others with this fabulous book. >Here's what the bio states. Enjoy! >Joni Valley Stockinger >JLVSTOCK@aol.com >History of Indian Territory, Lewis Publishing Co. 1901 Joni, would you be willing to look up other surnames? Where did you find this treasure? It was a treat even though the person in your bio was not known to the rest of us! Thank you, Melinda edges@mail.gci-net.com

Lu, Yes, I would love to have the pages. My Dad and I visited the Haskell County Historical Society in July of 1997 but pickins were slim. I'm fairly new at genealogy and I thought the Society would be the place to start, but .... I now know I probably should be dealing with the Oklahoma Historical Society because it sounds like they have extensive records. I can't believe how elusive information on my ggrandfather William B. DAVIDSON is!!! From what I've gleaned so far, he was a very prominent figure in the community and there should be lots of documents with his signature on them since he was the Tamaha's local notary, but I haven't found anything so far. I even went to the National Archives (since I live just outside of Washington) to check out the deed for his drug store, but it didn't lead to anything except a room of about 3 acres that was stuffed full of files. I've never seen anything like it. It's in the basement of the building, temperature controlled and nothing has been indexed or computerized. Amazing place! Thanks, again. I look forward to getting the pages! Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

Hi, I am new to this list and hopefully someone can answer my question. I have been searching for information on my Birdsong family from Southeast OK (I.T.). They moved there originally in the 1860's. Recently I was told that there are Birdsongs listed on the Choctaw Rolls. Can anyone tell me how I might find out this information. I know nothing at all about Indian Rolls. The family lived in an area somewhere surrounding McAlester but maybe not necessarily in Pittsburg County the whole time. Being a very large family some of them lived there through statehood I know and afterward. Is there perhaps a website for that would have information on the Choctaw Nation? TIA, Gloria snoop@lodelink.com

Barbara, I believe that IOOF is International Order of Odd Fellows. Sorry I can not be of more help. Penny pennydal@m6.sprynet.com -----Original Message----- From: DNorkus@aol.com <DNorkus@aol.com> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:17 PM Subject: Lodges >I have information from a 1906 Tamaha, I.T., newspaper announcing Lodge >meetings. Does anyone know what the initials A.F. & A.M. stand for? It >(they?) was Tamaha Lodge No. 8 and says "A.T. Hill, W.M - W. B. Davidson, >Sec." W. B. DAVIDSON was my ggrandfather. Know what the W.M. after Mr. >Hill's name means? There was another group who's initials were I.O.O.F. and >were Tamaha Lodge No. 49. Wish they had spelled all this out! > >Any translations are appreciated! *-) > >Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

For those who haven't seen the May 1906 Tamaha Banner on line, go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okhaskel/banner.htm Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

Does anyone know how a person became a notary public in the late 1800s early 1900s? My ggrandfather was one and I would like to know if there might be any kind of records left. Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

I have information from a 1906 Tamaha, I.T., newspaper announcing Lodge meetings. Does anyone know what the initials A.F. & A.M. stand for? It (they?) was Tamaha Lodge No. 8 and says "A.T. Hill, W.M - W. B. Davidson, Sec." W. B. DAVIDSON was my ggrandfather. Know what the W.M. after Mr. Hill's name means? There was another group who's initials were I.O.O.F. and were Tamaha Lodge No. 49. Wish they had spelled all this out! Any translations are appreciated! *-) Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

Hi, I'm researching my ggrandfather William B. DAVIDSON of Tamaha, I.T. (OK near Stigler in Haskell County) and was wondering if anyone has information that has anything to do with that town. It was on the Arkansas River and was a stop enroute to Ft. Smith, AR. The Steam Ferry stopping there was named the Maud F and D.S. and C.C. SUMMERS, were the proprietors according to a 1906 Tamaha newspaper. Most of the town was destroyed by a fire in the late 1930s, so, most all town records were lost. Thanks for any help. Barbara DAVIDSON Norkus

Looking for information on Martin VANN. Owned a plantation on Vanns Lake near Wagoner in the early/mid 1800's. TRoberts cc1158@looksmart.com LookSmart … or keep looking. http://www.looksmart.com

I am now searching for the father of Kansata Duncan (could have been called Canzady) in 1865 she became the second wife of Dickson (or Dixion) Dudley Spears. They were married in north west, AR. I think she could have been the daughter of Felix Grady Duncan, because she named her third child Felix Alexander Spears (he was also her first son). Two sisters preceded him they were Susie Catherine Caroline Spear, and Clara Cora Spears, Her forth child was Laura Ann Spears (my great grandmother) The fifth child was Daniel Webster Spears. Then Kansata must have died because Dickson married to Silva "Sally Ann" Newman. Dickson and Kansata's Children were born in Boone CCo.and Newton CO, AR. I am Searching Spears, Duncan, Dudley, White, Morton, Martin, Harmon, Wickett, Ussrey, most of which are on the Miller Guion Rolls. If you connect or have knowledge of any of these line would appreciate hearing from you, I now have over 9,000 names to share. Thanks Charlene