CHILDERS-COUNTS Family Reunion Descendants of Thomas Marion Childers and William Levi Couts of Haskell County, Oklahoma will hold a Family Reunion, the last Sat. in June, 1999, Oak Park, Yuba City, CA email: Barbara Couts Evans bevans@syix.com for more information. Any and all Childers/Couts descendants are invited. Have you added your Oklahoma family reunion information? http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/reunion/reunion.htm Marti ____________________________________________ mailto:marti@rootsweb.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"

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http://www.isd.net/mboucher/choctaw/ I've been asked for this URL by several people and thought I would post it for anyone who might be interested. This is a great site I've found with lots of info about the Choctaw tribe. To read about the marriage info, just scroll down the list the marriage list, there are I think four stories about Choctaw Marriages. Shelley

The URL for the Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild has been changed to http://istg.rootsweb.com/ Be sure to give this site a look as we have 400 volunteers transcribing ship passenger lists in an ongoing process. The site can be searched by ship name, date, port of arrival or departure, and surname. Carol McCoy

Hi Carol, Haven't heard from you in a while. The index for 1860 I.T. Census is at www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/1390/census/ok1860dex.htm Doug dick scott wrote: > Doug, > > I was not aware that the 1860 U.S. Census listed all whites living in > Indian Territory. > Can you give us the address? > > Many thanks, > Carol Scott

Doug, I was not aware that the 1860 U.S. Census listed all whites living in Indian Territory. Can you give us the address? Many thanks, Carol Scott

NAIL @ the National Archive shows three Mollie Smiths on Indian Rolls. One was 45, Creek Full Blood at time of application. One was 1/4 Creek, 12 Years at time of application. One was Cherokee, no age or degree stated. URL is: http://www.nara.gov/nara/nail/nailgen.html Just enter the name in the top space then click search. Click display after the search results appear.

I want to thank all of you who responded to my question about Sugar Loaf Co. & Mtn. I am looking for S. B. Cornelius 8/13/1824 - 3/3/1864 married to Penelope Cornelius 12/18/1824 - 2/11/1864 Children: Mildred B. Cornelius Harris 10/18/1846 - 9/17/1880 Henry B. Cornelius 7/18/1848 - 4/20/1865 Martha Jane Cornelius Collins 12/12/1853 Mary C. Cornelius 5/17/1861 Roday A. Cornelius 7/10/1863 Allas Ozela Cornelius 7/10/1863 I am also looking for (?) Z. Collins 6/1825 married to Julie Malindi/Malinda Collins 6/21/1831. I believe they had 6 children the oldest James C. Collins 1/6/1849. James C. Colllins and Martha Jane Cornelius married 11/16/1871 and had Mollie Elizabeth Collins 7/28/1876 - 7/30/1916 and James A. Collins 9/1883. All of the above information I took from a very worn and fragile bible from the Cornelius'. On the inside cover of this bible Martha Jane wrote her name and born in Sugar Loaf Mtn. 11/3/1893 James Thomas Smith married Mollie Collins. Their marriage certificate was issued from Ft. Smith AR and showed the both of them of Sugar Loaf Co. Indian Territory. I am looking for parents and birthplaces of S.B. & Penelope Cornelius and of (?)Z. & Julie M. Collins. The daughter of James & Mollie Smith says that Mollie was part Indian. I am trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together of this family history. I thank you so much for any help you might be able to shed on this. I do again thank all of you for the info about Sugar Loaf Co. & Mtn. I appreciate it. I will look for the 1860 Arkansas Census as suggested. I listed all of the above information just on a chance someone might be working on anything similar. Barbara Sewnbee@aol.com

Hello all, Does anyone know if there is a way to search doctors in the 1880's in Indian Territory, specifically the area of Vian? I am looking for the father of my ggrandmother, Grace Fox b.1887. He was a medical doctor and 1/2 Cherokee, but I don't know if it was his mother or father who was Cherokee. I also don't know Grace's mother's name. I am planning a trip to OK City in March and could sure use some tips where to search. Thanks for any suggestions. Becky (from FL)

Hello List... I have a couple of questions that someone out there may be able to answer for me. Are there records available for marriages that took place in the Indian Territory? If so, how could I access them? I'm interested in checking out the marriage of Jacob Deal and Adeline Morris."Addie" was Cherokee. They had a son named Maxville (Mack)...my great-grandfather. How can I access the 1900 Indian Territory Census? I read somewhere that the Indian word "Conseenee" or spelled "Consene" means Bushyhead. Is that true ? One of my lines stem from a Cherokee named Conseenee. Thanks for any help you may be able to send my way... Debbie

Sugar Loaf County is central Leflore County, Sugar Loaf mountain (singular) is located on the State line with Arkansas. Depending if they were white or Indian on the Census, The Choctaw census of 1855 was to pay off the Chickasaw Purchase, and lists no Whites. 1860 Federal Census of Arkansas could help, in 1860 the Federal Government listed all whites living in Indian Territory. I believe the later is online. Doug Sewnbee@aol.com wrote: > Can someone tell me what county Sugar Loaf Co is today? I am wanting also to > know which census I would find people living in the Sugar Loaf mountains in > the 1860's? > > Thank you so much for your help. > > Barbara > sewnbee@aol.com

Vian is in Sequoyah Co. postal code is 74962. It has population over 1000. I am sure they have a News paper. You may try there. Barbara

Cathy, I don't know about your folks, however let me say that what is Haskell County, Oklahoma now, was before Nov. 1907 San Bois County, Choctaw Nation. The Choctaw Nation was not considered to be a reservation but a distinct nation in Indian Territory. Cultural differences of the Choctaw people allowed more freedom in marriage and divorce than the Choctaw Nation allowed between whites and Choctaws. It was not uncommon for a Choctaw to be married and divorced several times in their lives. The marriage between a white and a Choctaw was different and a lisence could cost as much as $200 (a sizable sum in those days), and since the white was generally male, he must live in Choctaw Nation for a period of time and be recognized by his neighbors as a good man, (generally three witnesses, sometimes more). One good book on the subject is "The social History of the Choctaw Nation: 1865-1907 by James D. Morrison, published by and available thru the Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma, Durant, Oklahoma. It appears to me that Meeks lived across the northern end of San Bois County and North west Skullyville County, Choctaw Nation. W.H. Meeks was around Shake Rag, (Bokoshe) early on. Doug Cathy in Oregon wrote: > I also would be interested in knowing some of the customs of the Indians in > this time period, in Ok and Ark.... > > In my family there is also a story of my great grandparents marriage. I have > been told by some on the lists it just is not true... but with two different > aunts telling me this, it sure makes me wonder if things went on back then, > that we just do not really know about, today. > > I have read info that is called history that has happened in my life time > and said to my self.. this just is not true.. it is not the way it > happened.. So wonder if that was also possible for then also? I really think > it is highly possible. > > The best I can figure my g-grandparents, James Franklin Coffman and Mary > Meeks were married in about 1892. Either in Ar. or Ok. Think probably in > Haskel Co. Oklahoma.. No record found of this marriage. The story I am told > by both Aunts, was identical... Grandpa Coffman, got Mary off the Indian > reservation. The custom was > when you marry one daughter and there is an older one unmarried, you get > both.. Well he apparently did not want both.. The older daughter followed > the wagon to the river (what river??) then she would not cross it so she > went back... > > Then another reference to the Indian reservation by my one now living > Aunt... After my grandma and her brother was born.. James and Mary was going > to move back to the reservation where her family was living. They were on > horse back. The kids were crying and carrying on so much that they turned > around and went back, home. They had been living all this time with James' > parents, in Brooken, Haskel, Oklahoma. > > Any one know any history that might match up with these stories? Also family > says we are Cherokee Indian. The only ancestor in my family that I can find > that might be Indian at all, would have been Mary. Since I am unable to find > out any info on her or her parents... I have no proof either way. > > Mary died when grandma was about 6 month old. So by that she would have died > in the summer of 1896. > > Any help on this would sure be appreciated... Thank you... Cathy > Joanne Potter wrote: > It would be very interesting if someone would explain the marriage > and divorce customs of the Indians of the various tribes. I am mainly > interested in the tribes in Arkansas and Oklahoma for the years of about > 1880 through 1920.

Sugar Loaf Mountain is part of the Poteau Mountains. Most of it is on the AR side. I have a son that lives at the foot of the Mt. & he is in Sebastian Co.. AR. Surrounding towns are Midland, AR & Hartford, AR. They are both in Sebastian Co. AR. What few people that live on the Mt. Their children go to school at Hartford, AR There is also a Sugar Loaf Lake. It is also on the AR side. Barbara

In a message dated 1/21/99 10:11:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, Sewnbee@aol.com writes: > Can someone tell me what county Sugar Loaf Co is today? The Sugar Loaf Mountains are southeast of Poteau,OK in Le Flore County. Since it is south of the Canadian and Arkansas rivers it would have been in the Choctaw Nation prior to statehood. You will have to find the correct district for the particular local for the census.

I also would be interested in knowing some of the customs of the Indians in this time period, in Ok and Ark.... In my family there is also a story of my great grandparents marriage. I have been told by some on the lists it just is not true... but with two different aunts telling me this, it sure makes me wonder if things went on back then, that we just do not really know about, today. I have read info that is called history that has happened in my life time and said to my self.. this just is not true.. it is not the way it happened.. So wonder if that was also possible for then also? I really think it is highly possible. The best I can figure my g-grandparents, James Franklin Coffman and Mary Meeks were married in about 1892. Either in Ar. or Ok. Think probably in Haskel Co. Oklahoma.. No record found of this marriage. The story I am told by both Aunts, was identical... Grandpa Coffman, got Mary off the Indian reservation. The custom was when you marry one daughter and there is an older one unmarried, you get both.. Well he apparently did not want both.. The older daughter followed the wagon to the river (what river??) then she would not cross it so she went back... Then another reference to the Indian reservation by my one now living Aunt... After my grandma and her brother was born.. James and Mary was going to move back to the reservation where her family was living. They were on horse back. The kids were crying and carrying on so much that they turned around and went back, home. They had been living all this time with James' parents, in Brooken, Haskel, Oklahoma. Any one know any history that might match up with these stories? Also family says we are Cherokee Indian. The only ancestor in my family that I can find that might be Indian at all, would have been Mary. Since I am unable to find out any info on her or her parents... I have no proof either way. Mary died when grandma was about 6 month old. So by that she would have died in the summer of 1896. Any help on this would sure be appreciated... Thank you... Cathy Joanne Potter wrote: It would be very interesting if someone would explain the marriage and divorce customs of the Indians of the various tribes. I am mainly interested in the tribes in Arkansas and Oklahoma for the years of about 1880 through 1920.

Can someone tell me what county Sugar Loaf Co is today? I am wanting also to know which census I would find people living in the Sugar Loaf mountains in the 1860's? Thank you so much for your help. Barbara sewnbee@aol.com

Many thanks to all who responded to my question regarding multiple (simultaneous) wives! I had reached a point in my research where confusion and doubt were causing a lot of frustration...just goes to show that we really have to be completely open-minded and not let our own values/judgements intrude while doing research. Jeanne

The following was sent out by the owner of another list: >Your assistance is being requested. If you know this person: > >Everlee Parkes. Born 2/20/25 in Oklahoma on a Cherokee >reservation. Last known residence Sacramento, California. > >please contact Catherine Hanson-Tracy [CHanson-Tracy@chw.edu] > >Everlee's sister is extrememly ill and they haven't seen each other for >over two decades. She would like to see her one last time. Carol McCoy