My mother had the same problem. She was born in I.T. in 1905. She had to have the following information to get a delayed birth certificate. School records from the county court house. My birth certificate a statement from two of her uncles saying they testified to her birth. I'm not sure but they could have taken a marriage certificate. She ordered it from the State Dept. of Vital Statistics in Okla. City. Carolyn Lamb <alamb@ilinkusa.net>

Somebody asked how to get the digitized copies of Dawes Rolls on NAIL. I'm using 'em now, so I've got 'em handy. (If you go to the URL listed in Indian-Territory-Roots, the instructions are also listed there, somewhere: which's where I printed them from.) Ok: there are 2 files of the type you are referring to (digitized on-line source, page by page.) These are: 1. Final Rolls of the Citizens & Freedmen of the 5 Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory, 634 pg.s. Lists the names of the individuals who were allowed on the tribal rolls by the Dawes Commission. 2. Index to the Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory, 635 pg.s. Lists the names of the individuals who were allowed on the tribal rolls by the Dawes Commission. (I'm not sure myself what's the difference between these 2.) 1. To search "Final Rolls": a. select STANDARD or EXPERT search b. In the first keywords box, type "Final Rolls" c. Check the checkbox for ONLY DESCRIPTIONS LINKED TO DIGITAL COPIES d. SUBMIT the search e. The "Number of Hits" indicator will go from 0 to 1. f. hit DISPLAY RESULTS 2. To search "Index to Final Rolls" (nearly same thing): a. select STANDARD or EXPERT search b. In the first keywords box, type "Index to Final Rolls" c. Check the checkbox for ONLY DESCRIPTIONS LINKED TO DIGITAL COPIES d. SUBMIT the search e. The "Number of Hits" indicator will go from 0 to 1. f. hit DISPLAY RESULTS For both of these, when you hit display results (to display the 1 hit result) it brings up a list, where each list item is the link to the graphic for each of the 634 or so digitized pages. If you then click\ on any item in the list, the literal digitized page of the document will be displayed (it's a large graphic, so it may take some time). I play "Solitaire" while waiting for each graphic to load (to the point where it's legible) and then decide whether to save it or search more forwards/backwards. The lists are more or less in alphabetical order, so you can do this. Start to finish in the index, is pretty much alpha-order A => Z, but on each page, sometimes the order gets a bit scrambled. I hope this helps! /Cheryl Conway caconway@worldnet.att.net

Is anyone fimilar with the Roley Mcintosh Burial Ground located in Wagoner Co Ok, about three miles NE of Wybark OK. Does Wybark still exist. slvaughan@mid-mo.net

MILES, BAKER Family Reunion BENEFIELD Family Reunion _____________________________________________________________________________ BENEFIELD Family Reunion The decendants of Thomas Benefield and Mollie Westbrook Benefield are having their annual reunion on Saturday May 29, 1999 at Thunderbird Park in Atoka. We plan to start gathering at 10:00am, and will have lunch at the pavilion at noon. Please bring old pictures and any information from the past. We have the pavilion for the day, and hope to see all of our family and friends there. For more info call Virgil Benefield at 918-473-6611 or e-mail Jerry Dodds at doddsjnc@swbell.net _____________________________________________________________________________ MILES, BAKER Family Reunion Descendants of Kinkehee Baker, Hannah Williams, Thomas Miles, and Rhoda McCoy are invited. Bring a covered dish; lunch is at 12:00. Bring your photos and stories from your family, too. The reunion is planned for Saturday, May 15, 1999, from 10-4. The address is listed below. This is the same church where we've held reunions in the past. Email me for directions or more information. Chuck Miles cmiles@intcon.net First Indian Baptist Church Minnesota & Darrow Shawnee, OK

Just joined the list, hoping to find someone that knows something about my ggrandparents. George Bailey married Susan F. I don't have her last name and just her middle initial. In the 1900 IT Chickasaw Nation OK census, Susan wasn't listed. I thought she must have died. George and his children listed this way: George b. May 1860 AR Laborer Lulu M. Nov 1887 TX Maizie M. June 1888 TX Hattie A. Apr 1890 IT Mettie B. Dec. 1894 TX Frank B. June 1896 IT He may have been a Baptist preacher also. What would be a reason someone is not listed in the census? She was found in the 1910 census in Seminole Co, OK. And in the 1920 Seminole Co,OK census. We would love to be able to find her last name. She was born in TX about 1865. I thought she may have had family close by. I'd love to find her family. If anyone knows anything about this family, I would appreciate any information.

Rejenia, I don't know if this will help or not. My mother was born in 1904 near Jeffs in the Chickasaw Nation. She got a delayed birth certificate later, and one of the proofs that was legally acceptable was the school enumeration. >From the Guide to the Historical Records of Oklahoma by Bradford Koplowitz--under Nowata County, p99: "Superintendent of Schools School Enumeration. Name of parent, name of child, date of birth, age and grade, alphabetical , 1912-1919." I have never researched these records, but I believe they are in the county courthouses. The County Superintendent of Schools no longer exists in most counties. It might be you would need a researcher to find these records. The address for the courthouse is: Nowata County Courthouse 229 N. Maple St., Nowata, OK 74048 (918)273-0175

Hi, My husband and I are planning a research trip in mid-April to Oklahoma City, Shawnee (Potawatomie Co.) and Sulphur (Murray Co.). We are hoping to use county courthouses and any other research libraries to find out more information about several families that settled in these areas around the turn of the century. We are also planning to visit the Tribal Museum and Archives (?) for the Citizen Potawatomie Nation. Is there anyone out there who can give us first-hand suggestions for making this trip a success? I know that I need to contact each repository and find out their hours. I'm searching for death records, the usual vital records found in courthouses (deeds, wills, probates etc.) but I also need to know where a few cemeteries are in all three counties, so any advice is welcome. Names in our search (in case anyone is curious) include: CONNALLY, DEEN, MELOTT, GIERHART, and BERGERON. Thanks! Shelly Henley Kelly Galveston TX

The Tribes and Nations in Indian Territory kept birth records of their own citizens about the turn of the twentith century but no records were kept on white occupants of Indian Territory, At least none I know about.. Doug The Flannery's wrote: > My greatgrandfather went to Nowata Oklahoma about 1904,he and his wife had 2 > daughters.I checked in Oklahoma City and was informed they did not keep > birth records that early.This was in Indian Territory before Okla. became a > state.Did they keep birth record in Indian Territory and how do I go about > finding them? Thank you for your advise. Rejeania

--WebTV-Mail-1979428602-40 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I would also like to know the answer to this question since most of the people I am researching were born between 1894 & 1903. --WebTV-Mail-1979428602-40 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.98) by postoffice-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:43:07 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mailsorter-101-2.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id EAA11787; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17537; Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:39:00 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 04:39:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000e01be6d4a$9ae59fe0$0ff32dd1@flannery> From: "The Flannery's" <flannery@accnorwalk.com> Old-To: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Can anyone help Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:11:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Resent-Message-ID: <"Wb_RdD.A.JQE.bxl62"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2563 X-Loop: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Indian-Territory-Roots-L-request@rootsweb.com My greatgrandfather went to Nowata Oklahoma about 1904,he and his wife had 2 daughters.I checked in Oklahoma City and was informed they did not keep birth records that early.This was in Indian Territory before Okla. became a state.Did they keep birth record in Indian Territory and how do I go about finding them? Thank you for your advise. Rejeania --WebTV-Mail-1979428602-40--

My greatgrandfather went to Nowata Oklahoma about 1904,he and his wife had 2 daughters.I checked in Oklahoma City and was informed they did not keep birth records that early.This was in Indian Territory before Okla. became a state.Did they keep birth record in Indian Territory and how do I go about finding them? Thank you for your advise. Rejeania

I am reposting my Boles message with a couple corrections. Somewhere someone is looking for this information: "Looking for others related to the following family: (ggrandparents) John Marshall Boles b 1835* married Penny Eliza Tyler: Had the following children: Mattie b 1858, Joseph Redrick b 1863, Romulus (Rome) b 1865, John Frank b 1867 or 68, Samuel b 1869, Julia b 1871, Louisa b 1873, and Mary Caroline (Callie) b 1876. My ggrandfather Joseph Redrick Boles m Manerva Cairns Rogers and had the following children (most born in I.T.): Dennis b 1886, Tempie b 1888, Willie A. b 1889, Viola b 1892, Lester b 1896, Charles Edgar b 1901, Maybelle b 1905. My grandfather Charles Edgar Boles m Lenora Ray Boles b 1905 (in California) m in 1920 California and had the following children (all born in CA): Cecil Roy b 1922, Hazel b 1923, Joseph Ray b 1925, Charles Edgar Jr. b 1927 My father Joseph Ray Boles m Lillian Genevieve Henslick b 1926, married in 1944. Family mostly went to California 1919-1920. Some stayed behind in OK and AR. Family settled in Southern Califonria - Orange County, San Diego, etc." 1860 Census has John Marshall and Eliza in Sugar Loaf Township in Sebastian Couty Arkansas. In 1880 census show Elisa in Daton Township, Sebastian County. Joseph and Manerva both born in Ar? lived in IT when most of their children were born. Sandra Boles Haugner

SJHATHAWAY@aol.com>>>>I don't think you can send pictures or attachments thru rootsweb.com. Perhaps I'm wrong but don't think so.

Does any one know any thing about the Chinook tribe out of WA or OR? My gggreat grandfather married the daughter of Chief Concomley. She was called the Princess Of wales. She also had a brother who was called the Prince Of Wales. Long long story there. Viola.

I have had some problems sending this message. I hope I have it right this time. >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 09:13:02 -0800 >To: Indian-Territory-Roots-request@rootsweb.com >From: Pat Kallunki <pkallunk@oregon.uoregon.edu> >Subject: OK>St. Joseph's Academy and Institute > > > > > >I just recently found the St. Joseph's Academy and Institute on >th 1900 Choctaw Nation Census!!!! >I believe that the Academy was located either in McAlester or Krebs, OK. >I know that their is a Catholic Church, St. Joseph's Catholic Church, >located in Krebs, OK. I am guessing that the academy and the >church were located in the same vicinity. > >In Janaury of 1892, my gggrandfather and his two sons were >killed in the Krebs, OK mine explosion. His wife was very >ill at the time and upon learning of the deaths, it was >too much of a shock and she died also. Four daughters were >left as orphans. One of the daughters was my ggrandmother. > >By 1900 my ggrandmother was married, but the three younger >sisters were residents of the St. Josephs Academy and Institute. >The oldest of the three was 17. The younger two were 14 and 12. >The census shows that the two young sisters were ADOPTED. >My grandmother and her brother said that all of the girls were >adopted and raised until the age of 18, by Nuns in that area. >Among the 15 or 20 girls who were residents of the academy, >the two sisters were the only listed as adopted. > >I would love to obtain any information that the Academy would have >kept regarding the family: Parents names, birth and location; >information on the four daughters and their brothers; how long the >girls attended the academy; academics/graduation etc. > >I am at a brick wall with regard to where the parents were born and >where their parents were born or from. I would like to know the >address for the family in 1892 prior to the explosion and any >community information/history of the mining community. > >Does anyone know a family who might have possibly had ancestors who >attended the St. Joseph's Academy and Institute? > >Any information or leads would be greatly appreciated. > >Pat Kallunki >Eugene, OR

I'am looking for anyone who knows of the surnames of Monday or Munday and Grows. I'am looking for my ggg grandfather William Monday or Munday and my ggg grandmother Midred Grows. They had 1 daughter named Melvina E. Monday,(Munday)Cook and 3 sons name Eli, Calaway L. and James. Can anyone help me. Thanks. Al

Thanks. I'm talking about specific instructions about exactly what keywords to enter for the digital search. It brings up the total enrollment and you can look at the original document by pages.

Several months back someone posted instructions for accessing the digital copies of the Dawes Roll at the NARA NAIL. I have misplaced the instructions. Can anyone help?

Governal, I came across a couple of Kitchens families in the Haskell Co. census. 1920 - Thomas W. 37, Jesse A. 30, James M. 37. 1910 - Wiliam 22. Thomas W. is part of my line. He married a Zinnie Lulu Trout from Stigler. I have reason to believe Zinnie's mother, Josephine Ely Trout was Native American and her husband John Henry Trout might have been also. I do not know at this point. Does any of this look familiar? Sharolyn

Sorry, I must have misunderstood the question. I am not aware of a part of NAIL that has the provision you mention--of a page by page display of any specific case file. If it is available I would also be interested in the location. I have seen page by page information related to Will Rogers and a couple of other case files that were included to show what a case file may contain. I have ordered six different case files from Ft. Worth and the information they contain is minimal but factual. Not anything as extensive as the Will Rogers file. There are two ways to access. One is to just enter the name in the top window. You may get far more hits than are really specific to your search. The second is to type dawes in the top window and the persons name in the bottom window. If you do this with Will Rogers you will get several hits that have links that say image. These will show what a case file may contain. I hope someone provides a location that will provide the WR type of information for any file.

I am looking for my great great grandfather, Charles Batholomew KITCHENS b. 1839 GA. He was supposedly seen in Indian Territory sometime between 1870-1890 by a friend of his son in AR, Henry Lee Obediah KITCHENS. He told Henry he had seen his dad with an Indian wife who ran a hotel and that Charles ran a draying/braying business and that they had some kids. He had served in the civil war for the state of GA, 3rd GA Newton county young guards Vol INF Co. H. He didn't return home when the war was over, to Newton county, until some years later, stayed around a while (prob. getting divorce papers signed) and then left again. Henry b. 1864 never saw him again. I am looking for someone who knows any KITCHENS' in that part of OK who had an ancestors named Charles Bartholomew KITCHENS, son of Benjamin E. KITCHENS and Elizabeth PEAK of GA. Henry Lee's mother was named Elizabeth C. LUMSDEN KITCHENS and she moved her family, Julia L. Felemmia, Henry Lee, and Charles S. to Lamar county TX with a Mr. BROOKS. Cheryl Small Governale governal@worldnetla.net