Received this on my Cherokeendn List. -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Jackson <tsalagi@train.missouri.org> To: cherokeendn@egroups.com <cherokeendn@egroups.com> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 7:02 PM Subject: [cherokeendn] Of local interest >I received this on another list and thought everyone might like to keep up >on this developing story---this could very well be some of our people?????? >Nancy J. >Cherokee Legacy Art Work Page >>Subject: Judge halts gravel work at Arkansas duck hunters site >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> >>Thursday, March 18, 1999 >>Judge halts gravel work on road at Indian burial on Black River >> >>KENNETH HEARD ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT-GAZETTE >> >>"POCAHONTAS -- Future graveling and grading of a portion of an access >>road and a boat ramp on the Black River that travels over what >>archeologists say is a significant American Indian burial site has been >>stopped by a judge's order... >> Grading and graveling cannot be done to the boat launch area and a >>large area used by sportsmen as a turnaround. The order also prohibits >>motorists from parking on the road or at the launch... >> "We know that there's an extensive, multi-complex site there," Morrow >>said of Gazaway's land. "We know that there are burials out there. There >>are probably remains under the road, but we don't know that for >>sure."... >> The marking comes on the heels of an order signed by Randolph County >>Chancellor Tom Hilburn that allows hunters and fishermen to continue >>using Gazaway's road to access the Black River... >> Hilburn issued a verbal order in January, saying the establishment of a >>prescriptive easement was proven during a hearing in November. A written >>order signed by Hilburn was not filed until March 2. >> Nine duck hunters sued Gazaway in 1994 after Gazaway closed the access >>road to Schaeffer's Eddy to protect an American Indian burial site... >> He built a fence across the road after finding what archeologists later >>determined to be 1,000- to 1,500-year-old bones of an American Indian >>child about 10 feet from his road... >> Hilburn's latest order said the 18-foot-wide road and launch area >>should be considered public... >> Archeologists first located artifacts at the site in 1959. The area >>near the boat launch was the first site deemed significant and mapped >>in the county... >> Morrow speculated because of the land's proximity to the Black and >>Current rivers, the area was once a thriving Indian community... >> Gazaway said he will appeal Hilburn's decision so he can protect the >>burial site. "I trust in the Arkansas judicial system's laws on property >>rights," he said. "If they rule by the law, then I feel I will regain >>full ownership and control of my property." >> >>Article at: >>http://www.ardemgaz.com/today/ark/bdsthunt18.html >> >>For more information: >>http://www.fortunecity.com/greenfield/porton/73/seals/eddy.html >> >> > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >eGroup home: http://www.eGroups.com/list/cherokeendn >Free Web-based e-mail groups by eGroups.com > >

Here is the continuing...index of the Indian Pioneer Papers--Western History Collection---University of Oklahoma. The Indian Pioneer History Papers is a collection of interviews done in 1937 & 1938, which includes biographical data on both living and deceased persons of Indian and pioneer heritage whose lives have been important in the history of Oklahoma. There is also a collection of information on family customs, tribal histories, social organizations, folklore, legends, cemeteries, old trails, ferries, forts, trading centers and other unrecorded facts known only to oral tradition. VOLUME 90-----MICROFICHE #6016955-----10 FICHE NAME ADDRESS THOMAS, A.M. Tonkawa, OK THOMAS, Amos Medford, OK THOMAS, Anna O. Elk City, OK THOMAS, Bill Chickasha, OK THOMAS, Drew B. Altus, OK THOMAS, Emma Hulse Tempe, Arizona THOMAS, G.H. Cache, OK THOMAS, Hattie C. Tulsa, OK THOMAS, Jack Anadarko, OK THOMAS, Jim L. Elk City, OK THOMAS, Josiah Corrine, OK THOMAS, Matie Mowbray Tulsa, OK THOMAS, S.L. Antlers, OK THOMAS, W.H. Sulphur, OK THOMAS, W.L. Elk City, OK THOMPKINS, Charles H. El Reno, OK THOMPKINS, I.J.(Mrs) Granite, OK THOMPSON, Al Okmulgee, OK THOMPSON, Albert Lone Wolf, OK THOMPSON, Alfred M.(Sr.) Walters, OK THOMPSON, Andy (Mrs) Muskogee, OK THOMPSON, Austin Atoka, OK THOMPSON, C.B. Sulphur, OK THOMPSON, C.L. Pauls Valley, OK THOMPSON, Clifford C. El Reno, OK THOMPSON, Delina A. Elk City, OK THOMPSON, Emma El Reno, OK THOMPSON, Gilbert Tuskahoma, OK THOMPSON, H.M. Bartlesville, OK THOMPSON, Ida Gilkey Lone Wolf, OK THOMPSON, Jackson Checotah, OK THOMPSON, James M. Sulphur, OK THOMPSON, Jesse D. No address given THOMPSON, Joel J. Hugo, OK THOMPSON, John Okemah, OK THOMPSON, John Depew, OK THOMPSON, John F. Tahlequah, OK THOMPSON, Johnson Fort Gibson, OK THOMPSON, Joseph M. Tahlequah, OK THOMPSON, Mary Antlers, OK THOMPSON, Ned Henryetta, OK THOMPSON, Pink Pawnee, OK THOMPSON, R.L. Mangum, OK THOMPSON, Robert Ninnekah, OK THOMPSON, Robert Holdenville, OK THOMPSON, T. Wyman Ketchum, OK THOMPSON, Walter Adair Tahlequah, OK THOMPSON, Wilburn Atoka, OK THOMPSON, Wilburn Bruno, OK THORN, W.T. Tahlequah, OK THORNBURGH, Ora Swink, OK THORNE, Missouri Blair, OK THORNTON, C.M. Whitesboro, OK THORNTON, H.M. Boley, OK THORNTON, Mary Davis, OK THORNTON, Mary Ellen Cox Vian, OK THORNTON, Smith " " THORNTON, Sylvester Durant, OK THORNTON, Tom Purcell, OK THORNTON, Wallace Vian, OK THOROUGHMAN, E.D. Guthrie, OK TO BE CONTINUED...........

As stated before, I do have the book "Hobbs Connections in TX and IT 1900" by Helen Handley. Not only does it have the Hobbs lines, but mentions spouses and their lines, housekeepers, laborers, and others living with Hobbs families at that time. Would it be appropriate to list these persons and people could email me privately (or through the list) if a surname catches their eye? Jeanna

I am looking for information concerning Victory L. Green. She may have been Cherokee and was married to Green who was Cherokee. She was a widow when she came to Custer County and homesteaded. She filed in 1898 and received her approval in 1902 which was one year before my grandparents, Elmer and Annie Green moved to a farm near hers. She does not appear on the census in 1900 but was apparently there. She must be a relative and I would like to connect her to our family. Any help would be appreciated. Lois -----Original Message----- From: Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-D@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 8:42 AM Subject: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest V99 #114

Hello: I am new to this list and would like to list my surname DUCA. I am searching for information on the family of Julia Louis Duca who was born in 1898 in Hartshorne, Pittsburg Cty, OK. Her parents were Angelo Duca and Rosa Venters. If anyone has come across these names or has anything to help me out, I would really appreciate it! Thanks, Carolyn Carter (Surnames: Duca, Venters, Hladik, Vetesnik, Jerabek, Vojacek, Karas,Vejnosek,Masin,Beck, Piekarski and Maday)

In a message dated 3/13/99 2:39:58 PM, you wrote: <<From the Guide to the Historical Records of Oklahoma by Bradford Koplowitz--under Nowata County, p99: "Superintendent of Schools School Enumeration. Name of parent, name of child, date of birth, age and grade, alphabetical , 1912-1919." I have never researched these records, but I believe they are in the county courthouses. The County Superintendent of Schools no longer exists in most counties. It might be you would need a researcher to find these records. The address for the courthouse is: Nowata County Courthouse 229 N. Maple St., Nowata, OK 74048 (918)273-0175 >> I went through the school enumerations records at the Nowata C. Courty house last year and found my grandmother( only way I knew she had been there for sure!!!). These DO NOT HAVE MUCH INFORMATION...but was worth the try!!!! and I copied anyone with the same surnames I was searching for..just in case. Janey BUSH BULLOCK @ BUSHJL @AOL>COM

In a message dated 3/13/99 2:39:58 PM, you wrote: <<X-Message: #2 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 07:11:19 -0500 From: "The Flannery's" <flannery@accnorwalk.com> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <000e01be6d4a$9ae59fe0$0ff32dd1@flannery> Subject: Can anyone help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My greatgrandfather went to Nowata Oklahoma about 1904,he and his wife had 2 daughters.I checked in Oklahoma City and was informed they did not keep birth records that early.This was in Indian Territory before Okla. became a state.Did they keep birth record in Indian Territory and how do I go about finding them? Thank you for your advise. Rejeania >> Hi...I have people who were in Nowata County, Indian territory, too. ( BALDWIN, REED, HINES(CHAPMAN,too), especially in Okadale and Wann area). I have had great difficulties finding stuff....but did got to the court house for records search(didn't finf anything) you might try to tribe who controlled that section of the territory...this was the "Coo-wee-scoo-wee" district controlled by the Cherokee Indians. I haven't tried to contact them as yet, but that is still and option. Janey Bush Bullock @ bushjl

How about the name Jereter? Would that be more plausible as an Amerind name?? The name Jerita Wall was written down on my ggrandfather's Quaker marriage certificate sometime in the 1880's (I forget what year, think maybe 1885) by someone. He was a bastard from North Carolina who had been brought to Henry County, Indiana about 1867. Someone thought it was his mother's name, but subsequent investigation revealed it may have been his grandmother's name. I do keep an open mind however, and it could be his mother or grandmother's name. Tim

I just wanted to say thank you to all the people who sent me information about the OKC Library, OK Historical Society Library, and information about conducting research in general while visiting Oklahoma. I would have responded to each individual personally, but I received so many messages, that I thought the others wouldn't mind my broad thank you. This list has certainly been a source of good information. Shelly Henley Kelly Galveston TX Researching: Murray Co CONNALLY, NORSWORTHY, Oklahoma Co. CONNALLY and Pottawatomie Co. GIERHART, MELOTT, DEEN.

How do I find an archives of old posts to this list? Thank you for any help. :-)

well I did enjoy your story, the truth and irony of it...but actually noticed that you had a HIGHTOWER on your list of families. What connections do you have to the Hightower family? We're from the Austin,> William,> Philemon,> James and >John OVerton folks. Abe(known as AB was my grandpa). Any names familiar to you? Austin was s/o Josh and Eleanor.

Jairai and derivatives are Hebrew and I think there are many nicknames. For instance this is my daughters' name and we call her Jarita (Little Jara). I think it sounds Spanish (My humble opinion) but the origins of the spanish name could be alot of places: Spain, Italy, Mexico, Filipinos......in of the "romantic language speaking countries". It is an unusual name for the time period though, and it would be great if you you uncover the origins. But I don't think it's Cherokee. Debbie ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

> Susan G, I don't know how to unravel your mystery, however I am interested in one of the names you listed as a relative. I have photos of a Mr. & Mrs. M. Medlock taken in Dunbar, Oklahoma. I would guess late 1890's to early 1900's. One photo is of the two in a carraige. The other is of the same lady with 2 children sitting on a stool and holding a cat. She looks very Indian. I was wondering how they came to be in the photos that my aunt had, and she and all the family are gone now. I inherited the photos, and thought they might be some relative of ours. My grandparents were James P. (Pinky) Jones and Dora Elizabeth Stephens Jones. The moved around Oklahoma - were married in Wetumka and ended up in Clayton. If you want me to e-mail the photos to you please let me know! Stephanie

Dear Dan: I enjoyed your NASA story and thought it appropriate for the list. It is, after all, a statement as to the mind set of the Indian. Alma -----Original Message----- From: Jerri (Rogers) Chasteen <jerri@cherokee.net> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 12:46 PM Subject: Re: NASA and Lakota Sioux >PLEASE! No "off-topic" messages, funny or not (NO exceptions)! Send them e-mail >to the people you think would enjoy them. > >If this rule was not enforced, we would look like several of the "genealogy >lists" that are filled with poems and recipes! > >jc >List Owner > > >Dan Metivier wrote: > >> I know all this is way off topic, but I had to through in a >> little humor.... >> >> I found this story on the web. It was originally told by Peterson Zha, >> >> at the time the story occurred, he was President of the Navajo Nation. >> >> The story is retolded by Charles Phillip Whitedog, Ojibway. He is the >> >> Network Manager Multimission Ground Systems Office, Mission Control, >> >> Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA. >> >> >> >> About 1966 or so, a NASA team doing work for the Apollo moon mission >> >> took the astronauts near Tuba City where the terrain of the Navajo >> >> Reservation looks very much like the Lunar surface. With all the trucks >> >> and large vehicles where two large figures that were dressed in full >> >> Lunar spacesuits. >> >> >> >> Near by a Navajo sheepherder and his son were watching the strange >> >> creatures walk about, occasionally being tended by personnel. The two >> >> Navajo people were noticed and approached by the NASA personnel. Since >> >> the man did not know English, his son asked for him what the strange >> >> creatures were and the NASA people told them that they were just men >> >> getting ready to go to the moon. The man became very excited and asked >> >> if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts. >> >> >> >> The NASA personnel thought this was a great idea so they rustled up a >> >> tape recorder. After the man gave them his message they asked his son >> >> to translate. His son would not. >> >> >> >> Later, they tried a few more people on the reservation to translate and >> >> every person they asked would chuckle and then refuse to translate. >> Finally >> >> with cash in hand someone translated the message. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Watch out for these guys, they come to take your land." >> > >> >Dan >> >Ooyalugi >> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(_______)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> > >> > >

To all, Jerri is right and I know I was pushing the limit. One of the reasons I have stay on this list so long is because it is a good genealogy list, that doesn't get off on tangents. And to put this into topic, my signiture has a list of my surnames I'm researching. Dan Metivier ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`'(_______)`'~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ surnames on my MITCHELL side, BRADY, BROOM, BRYAN, COMMERS, ENDICOTT, FOREMAN, GOURD, GU-U-LI-SI, HALFBREED, HALL, HICKS HIGHTOWER, HORN, JACKSON, LOUNDAGIN, MERRYMAN, MITCHELL, PATTON, RATTLINGGOURD, SEABOLT, STITH, THORN, THORNE, YADON surnames on my METIVIER side, ANNERY, AUGER, AYOT-AYOTTE, BELAND, BIGRAS, BOMBARDIER, CHRETIEN, D'ORANGE, GOYETTE, GROIGNIER, HOSTAIN, HUBERT, JODOIN, JUSMET, LACHANCE, LADOUCEUR, LAMOUREUX, LECLETC, LEFORT, LEMITRE, LASAGE, LIMOUSIN, MARINEAU, METIVIER, PEPIN, PICOTTE, PLOECKEHMAN, RATHIER, ROBERT, SCHWANZ, TARDIF, TROTIER, VENET

PLEASE! No "off-topic" messages, funny or not (NO exceptions)! Send them e-mail to the people you think would enjoy them. If this rule was not enforced, we would look like several of the "genealogy lists" that are filled with poems and recipes! jc List Owner Dan Metivier wrote: > I know all this is way off topic, but I had to through in a > little humor.... > > I found this story on the web. It was originally told by Peterson Zha, > >> at the time the story occurred, he was President of the Navajo Nation. > >> The story is retolded by Charles Phillip Whitedog, Ojibway. He is the > >> Network Manager Multimission Ground Systems Office, Mission Control, > >> Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA. > >> > >> About 1966 or so, a NASA team doing work for the Apollo moon mission > >> took the astronauts near Tuba City where the terrain of the Navajo > >> Reservation looks very much like the Lunar surface. With all the trucks > >> and large vehicles where two large figures that were dressed in full > >> Lunar spacesuits. > >> > >> Near by a Navajo sheepherder and his son were watching the strange > >> creatures walk about, occasionally being tended by personnel. The two > >> Navajo people were noticed and approached by the NASA personnel. Since > >> the man did not know English, his son asked for him what the strange > >> creatures were and the NASA people told them that they were just men > >> getting ready to go to the moon. The man became very excited and asked > >> if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts. > >> > >> The NASA personnel thought this was a great idea so they rustled up a > >> tape recorder. After the man gave them his message they asked his son > >> to translate. His son would not. > >> > >> Later, they tried a few more people on the reservation to translate and > >> every person they asked would chuckle and then refuse to translate. > Finally > >> with cash in hand someone translated the message. > >> > >> > >> > >> "Watch out for these guys, they come to take your land." > > > >Dan > >Ooyalugi > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(_______)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > >

I know all this is way off topic, but I had to through in a little humor.... I found this story on the web. It was originally told by Peterson Zha, >> at the time the story occurred, he was President of the Navajo Nation. >> The story is retolded by Charles Phillip Whitedog, Ojibway. He is the >> Network Manager Multimission Ground Systems Office, Mission Control, >> Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA. >> >> About 1966 or so, a NASA team doing work for the Apollo moon mission >> took the astronauts near Tuba City where the terrain of the Navajo >> Reservation looks very much like the Lunar surface. With all the trucks >> and large vehicles where two large figures that were dressed in full >> Lunar spacesuits. >> >> Near by a Navajo sheepherder and his son were watching the strange >> creatures walk about, occasionally being tended by personnel. The two >> Navajo people were noticed and approached by the NASA personnel. Since >> the man did not know English, his son asked for him what the strange >> creatures were and the NASA people told them that they were just men >> getting ready to go to the moon. The man became very excited and asked >> if he could send a message to the moon with the astronauts. >> >> The NASA personnel thought this was a great idea so they rustled up a >> tape recorder. After the man gave them his message they asked his son >> to translate. His son would not. >> >> Later, they tried a few more people on the reservation to translate and >> every person they asked would chuckle and then refuse to translate. Finally >> with cash in hand someone translated the message. >> >> >> >> "Watch out for these guys, they come to take your land." > >Dan >Ooyalugi >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(_______)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >

Hello List, I thought I would re-post my surnames to several lists. Any and all leads and/or information would be greatly appreciated. I am not absolutely sure of the accuracy of all the dates before 1850. Moses FIELDS - born October 1803 in Cherokee Nation East, TN; died August 19, 1855 in Bentonville, AR; buried in FIELDS Cemetary just west of Maysville AR. Mahala CADLE - born March 14, 1812 in ?; died January 26, 1890 in Maysville, AR; buried in FIELDS Cemetary. Margaret E. (FIELDS) SMITH - born December 19, 1837 in Benton, County, AR; died January 13, 1883 in Benton, County, AR; buried in FIELDS Cemetary. James SMITH - born January 1829 in place unknown; died September 19, 1858; buried in FIELDS Cemetary. Martha Emeline (FIELDS)(SIMMONS) HORSLEY - born 1/26/1840 Benton County, AR; died; 8/6/1919 in ? - buried in FIELDS Cemetary. Henry J. SMITH - born 1856 in unknown place; died February 09, 1910 in place unknown. Elsie Ann ISOM - born February 17, 1868 in KY; died, unknown. My grandmother was Alice Dove (SMITH) CLIFTON ((b. 9/15/1898 in Afton, OK - d. abt. 1967 in Colorado; Dawes # 28532; Miller # 24810) She married James Thomas CLIFTON (b. 9/1/1893 in Ft. Gibson, OK - d.9/30/1965 in CO.) She was the daughter of Henry J. SMITH (Dawes #28531, Dawes app. #24955). Henry was the son of Margaret E. FIELDS and James SMITH. Margaret's father was Moses FIELDS and her mother, Mahala CADLE. Moses was the son of Richard FIELDS, Jr., and Elizabeth HICKS; and Richard, Jr. was the son of Richard FIELDS and Susannah EMORY. Also searching for: Hiram CLIFTON (4/19/1866 - 2/23/1923) Susan Catherine STROUD (1/23/1867 - 12/27/1954) Thanks for your time and patience. Peace and Blessings, Elaine Clifton Tlush Researching from: OK, AR, CO, KY, TN, GA, NC, TX, VA, IL, DE CLIFTON, SMITH, ISOM, FIELDS, CADLE, STRAND, HENSLEY, STROUD, HICKS, BROOM, EMORY, GRANT, MORGAN, SPRINGER Surnames from PA: Counties of: Clearfield, Cambria, Somerset, Bedford, HENRY, ADAMS, BROWN, KNUPPENBURGH, ALBRIGHT

http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm I have added a link to facilities in Oklahoma known to have microform copies of the Indian Pioneer Papers. Check with these libraries about obtaining copies. If you know of others, please let me know. Andrew J. Berryhill interview completed Uppahake Watkoche (Mrs.) added Elizabeth Watts (Mrs.) added James E. Briggs questionnaire added PRENTISS - QUOETONE Index added WOOD - WRIGHT Index added Marti ____________________________________________ mailto:marti@rootsweb.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"

Now, to the list I don't know Barsheeba. Did you post to the list? Tim KARLA KT SHAHAN wrote: > Jerita is an interesting name...And, although I do not know its > background, > perhaps others do? > > There have been many interesting names early on in history... > I would like to discuss the origin of many names.. > > For examply, also the name > Barsheeba > Does this name have biblical background, like Enoch? > > ktshahan@juno.com > ++++++++++++++++++++ > > On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 07:59:13 -0500 Tim Walls <twwalls@prodigy.net> > writes: > >I wonder if Jerita, a woman's name, could be an Amerind name? This > >would > >be in the area of North Carolina during the first half of the 1800's. > > > >Tim Walls (ggggrandson of Jerita Wall) > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]