Pardon my ignorance but, What is a NA? Doug Barkley paulduncan wrote: > Hi All: > > I would like to have a discussion on the development differences between > the NA and the late arrivals to their land. > > I am interested in 1)What would be some of the reasons for the white man > to have guns, gov't, etc. while the NA only had bows and arrows? 2) Can > anyone give me a scenario of a day in a typical NA's life. > > Inasmuch as NA's meet and compete with the white man at his level is > that to say the differences are due to enviroment? > > Thank you; > > Paul

I don't write into this site often since I have no deffinet people that I know possativaly are NA but I do read to get insights into how/what/when/where on genealogy and this last digest was nothing but complaints about the Oklahoma Society. Doesn't the local LDS Library have everything they do? Wouldn't it be easier to just order the films through them (the LDS) if they don't have them? I personally won't use the OHS since I understand they charge quite abit for out of state people, but for them to be rude and/or have different rules for different patrons is inexcuasable! I am glad I seen all this info - I also would not waste my money on them. Sandi On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 16:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Visit my Web page: http://members.tripod.com/shadow07734/shadow.html MAY WE ALL WALK IN BEAUTY! Always looking for: HOLLAND, ALLEN, FINNEY, HOOVER/HUBER, NORRIS, WELLS, DANIEL(S), PENDERGRASS, GREGORY, LEE, McKEE, UNDERWOOD, POWERS, FLETCHER Portuguese: TERRA, CABRAL, FERNANDES(Z) (ALEIXO), MONICE (MENEZE/MENIZ)

Hi All: I would like to have a discussion on the development differences between the NA and the late arrivals to their land. I am interested in 1)What would be some of the reasons for the white man to have guns, gov't, etc. while the NA only had bows and arrows? 2) Can anyone give me a scenario of a day in a typical NA's life. Inasmuch as NA's meet and compete with the white man at his level is that to say the differences are due to enviroment? Thank you; Paul

This came from one of our subscribers (thanks, Georgia) and I think it would be a wonderful guideline for ALL of us to follow, no matter if we are visiting a library, archives OR a courthouse! : > ===================================================== > FEATURE ARTICLE: "Changing the Perception" > by Juliana S. Smith > <<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>>><<<>> > ===================================================== > Unfortunately, the bad manners of a few genealogists can reflect poorly on > all of us. When some archivists or librarians see that glazed look that > comes from reading too many microfilms, the trembling fingers clutching > desperately to a handful of pedigree charts, and mouth watering over the > treasures of that particular facility, they are probably fighting an urge > to flee! By using common courtesy, we can all help ourselves by > establishing a good reputation with these guardians of the records we hold > so dear. Here are some common sense rules of etiquette to remember when you > visit any library, archives, courthouse, or other research facility: > > ~ Do your homework before visiting the facility. Check hours of operation, > availability of materials, and restrictions before your visit. If you have > Internet access, many facilities have Web pages that contain all of the > information you need. If they have an online catalog, you may want to do > some preparatory work beforehand so that you won't tie up the onsite > computer catalogs when you get there. (This will also save you valuable > research time.) > > ~ Be mindful of closing time. It's easy to get caught up in the past and > lose track of the present time, but remember that the your librarian or > archivist wants to get out at quitting time. They have lives too, and > having to wait for you to wrap things up may make them late for picking up > their children, making dinner, or whatever else they have planned. > > ~ Don't expect the librarian, archivist, or clerk to do your research for > you. Read up on the type of records you will be using. If you are new to > family history research, read up on where to start. "Family History Made > Easy," by Loretto D. Szucs (Salt Lake City, UT: Ancestry, 1998) is a great > book to start out with. > > ~ Take care with property. Be careful with old documents and books and > don't mark on them. If you are unfamiliar with equipment, ask for help. The > librarian or archivist would much rather explain to you how to use it > properly, than explain to the next fifty people that it is broken. > > ~ Bring your own supplies including pencils, paper for taking notes, and > exact change for copies. > > ~ Just as in correspondence, your questions should be brief and to the > point. As much as the librarian would love to hear the story of your > great-uncle Bruno and exploits, he or she probably has work to do, and > there are often other patrons waiting to ask their own questions. > > ~ Be considerate and always return materials to their proper place (whether > it be back to the shelf or to a place designated for returned items.) > > ~ Shhhhhhhh. Always speak quietly and be respectful of the other patrons in > the facility. > > ~ Don't forget the magic words, “please” and “thank you.” If you get great > service from someone, write to his or her superior and let them know. It's > always great to be appreciated! > > Even if you follow all the rules of etiquette, you may still run across a > clerk that seems a bit aloof and not particularly happy to be helping you. > Maybe she is having a bad day, or maybe he had a bad experience with > another patron. Stay cool, and polite. You can change their perception of > all family historians for good! > =====================================================

dale, Dallas county lib , is next to the best I rate it #4 in the USA, salt lake, ft wayne, clayton in houston, and dallas, try dallas, thursday they are open 9 to 9 park under the building $6 all day, 3 good restaurants across the street, Thanks , happy hunting bob

I would like to add a few things to Sharrons exellent response. I am a regular patron at the library and will admit that there a couple of people who could use some help with "people skills", but for the most part the staff and volunteers have always gone out of their way to be helpful. It also needs to be noted that at any given time the volunteers working may be brand new and not fully familiar with the library, it's procedures or holdings yet, but they ARE donating their time. How many of us are doing that? Yes, there is a two hour time limit on the readers (if there is a waiting list), but there are a lot of people researching now. As a comparison, our local FHC has a one hour time limit on the computers, also due to the number of patrons wishing to use them. Their microfilm readers are basically the same as are at the OHS library, only there a fewer of them. They both try to accomodate as many patrons as possible, in the fairest manner possible. First come, first served, is the order of the day. As for the facilities and materials available, yes, there are a lot more materials available that are not in the library, due to lack of space, but if you will just go to the desk and indicate what you are looking for and ask if anything further is available, they are more than happy to go where the other materials are stored and get them for you if the manpower is available for someone to be able to go look. The staff does not have the time or manpower to guide patrons step by step through their research. How many people remember to say "Thank you" for the assistance given rather than just expecting it as their due? There is a new facility to be built to house the society and the library very close to it's current location in the very near future. It will allow a great deal more equipment and records to be redily available. Everyone is very excited about this undertaking! I sincerely hope that any of you that have had an unpleasant experience in the past will reconsider giving these folks another opportunity. For the most part they are a very dedicated, wonderful group of individuals who do the best they can for all of us. One final note. The library is open until 8:00 p.m. on Monday evenings to accomodate those of us who have to work during the day. Some of you may find that a good time to visit. Marti Walker

It seems to me that there are people on this list that have knowledge of the OHS and I am addressing this e-mail especially to them. I live in Oklahoma City and I am afraid I also have a negative opinion of the OHS. I am sad that Oklahoma has not tried to make a better effort to preserve our heritage but then that can be seen in the way Oklahoma City, for example, has destroyed much with the tearing down of historic buildings. Before sending me any critisim I want to say. The very first time I went out there to do research I knew NOTHING about researching. If someone asked a question it was like we were bothering the people working in there. If one of my sisters was not already into genealogy I would have given up on genealogy. My other sister sometimes go with me to the OHS. There are signs up that say no children so my sister leaves her grandchildren with someone else when we go and yet I have been out there when people were there with children. Even a crying baby one day. My sister has her grandchildren permanently as tho they were her own so it is not a choice as to leaving them with their parents. What I am getting at is if it is the rule then all should abide, not just us who are afraid to break the rule. Those people working in there may have "given up" but they are there to help and there is an awful lot of personal talking, etc. going on. Maybe the golden rule would work for them. They might be treated the way they treat others. I have two questions: 1. Are ALL the people in the library volunteers? Aren't some of those people paid employees? 2. I have heard that there are a LOT of things belonging to the OHS that are not on display because of lack of space. Are these documents that should be in the library or is it stuff that would be shown in the displays elsewhere in the building. I know they were talking about using the old children's home for the OHS but apparently that fell through. I also would like to answer one persons comment about joining the society. I have started to several times but thinking about the way we (and others) have been treated I don't want to waste my money. I don't have it to spare just to waste it. For a state that is known for "being friendly" we are sadly lacking when it comes to genealogy. I am sorry but that is the way I feel. I have been to the LDS library at Norman, the Dallas Public library and a couple of libraries in Arkansas and the attitudes and help was much different. Now if you have read this far let me say that just this last week I found that site concerning friends of the OGS and I intend to put a link to it on my websites. I also, since all these posts, intend to start a letter writing crusade with people I know to get something done to improve conditions, etc. at the OHS. I am sorry if I have offended any but there are new people starting their research every day and I hate to see them give up. There are new generations being raised on computers and they will have no interest in what is available so they probably won't even care about genealogy. Helen mommers@earthlink.net

-----Original Message----- From: SJOASHTON@aol.com <SJOASHTON@aol.com> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Ok. Gen. Society >In defense of the genealogy research facilities at the Oklahoma Historical >Society (OHS) ... I have visited the Oklahoma Historical Society many times in the past few years. I have always found the workers most helpful. My suggestion is to go on a week day if at all possible as they are not nearly as busy as on Saturdays, when you most ALWAYS have to wait your turn for readers. And, as Sharron said, be prepared when you get there, know in advance what you are looking for and your day will go much easier and you will find more information.. June Terry Johnson Oklahoma aggran@chickasaw.com

Helen, Thank you for the offer to help. I do have a comment about transcribing or something to help the library. My genealogical donations are to my local society. We started a group in 1985 and have now become quite well known for our contributions to the history of our state and local county. It never occured to me that I should be asking a library (historical soc.) that I visited in another state if I could help transcribe or whatever. I've taken the valuable time I have on this earth to help my family know more about our roots through newsletters, etc. I had a lot to look for in OK and hit so many brick walls, it almost discouraged my mission. My advise to others who ask me about OK research is to find cousins, no matter how distant, they are the depository of valuable information for your family. Those same people, who have found out the hard way that not so long ago, genealogy was not so important in your state, have contributed vast amt.s of time and records to OK Websites. God Bless Them. I'm sure this includes you. One thing I have done to contribute to the OK Hist. Soc. is to send them my findings so no one else looking for this information will have to go through what I did. Janice

How many of the people complaining about the society belong as a member or have offered some kind of help to make things nicer. Maybe the people who work there are so used to being treated rudely that they just have given up. since I live out of state I have only had telephone conversations with them but each time they have more than gone out of their way to answer my questions(some of which they have probably heard countless times). It would be interesting to know how much money the one in Oklahoma has to work with compared to other states. Helen>glswings@paclink.com -----Original Message----- From: Dale Thompson <dthomp@arn.net> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, April 18, 1999 4:05 AM Subject: Re: Ok. Gen. Society >Janis, I too have made a trip to Okla. City to look at their records. If >you do get one of their antique microfilm readers, by the time you get >it to work, you won't get to look at much before your turn is up and you >have to give it to someone else. The way their entire system is set up >makes one constantly feel like they are pressured to hurry up. I'm sure >they have a lot of material, but it isn't exactly easy to find, and the >people who work there act like they really don't like being asked >questions. If you want to see how a place like that should be operated, >go to Little Rock, Ar. to the Arkansas History Commission. The traffic >there in Little Rock is terrible, but it is worth it. The have tons of >records from that whole area, not just Ar, and the people who work there >will bend over backwards to help you. From my house Okla. City is a 4 >hour drive and Little Rock is 10 but I will drive the extra 6 again one >day, that's how much difference there is. > >Dale Thompson >

I have only been to Ok. City one time to do research. That was when I first started and didn't know anything about genealogy.I didn't have very good luck there. I have been to a lot of libraries. Big ones like Dallas to small ones In little towns. But here I am going to brag a little about Tulsa Library. It is true that you only have 2 hours on the machines if it is busy. But the people are so nice and as helpful as can be. and they have a very good selection of things to look at. But as on person said , I have found more on the internet in the last couple of months that I have found in the last 20 years of research. Ona

Thank YOU, Sharon, for explaining this to our subscribers! I personally know how hard the facility tries to accommodate everyone, and how devoted and overworked the volunteers are. But they are at the mercy of our state legislators. Those are the people who should be contacted about any antiquated equipment and facilities! As for the non electric readers that you must crank- did you ever try to read roll film on a microfiche reader? I have-- in an Arkansas library! As for the volunteers; I would like to ask everyone who is dissatisfied with the service they receive in ANY library, just one question -- how many hours of their time is donated to their own local library or society? They might do well to "walk a mile in their moccasins" <g>. jc ~~ SJOASHTON@aol.com wrote: > In defense of the genealogy research facilities at the Oklahoma Historical > Society (OHS) ...<snip> >

It is sad to see the library hasn't changed since I was there in 1985. My Mom and I read all the informational booklets, etc. available before we drove from So. CA and were so disappointed with their lack of pleasant staff and old equipment, plus the card file is very inept. Might I add that the State Health Dept. was even worse. It's bad enough to have such incomplete vital rec. but that the staff was so awfully rude was a lasting memory. I have found out more on the internet then in 25 yrs. of writing letters to various agencies there. Janice

The following query should be responded to bywriting to Debi Sizemore herself at the below address: from the Ketucky Explorer February >1999 Issue: >========================= > >Wants Sizemore Information > >Dear Editor, > >I am looking for infomration on Chief Red Bird Sizemore. >Also, I would like to find a copy of a newspaper article on the >Sizemores. >The title reads: "In Clay County, Kentucky, It's Hard to Avoid >Sizemores; >Appalachian Clan Is Prolific, Accustomed to Violence." >Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. > >Debi Sizemore >4479 E. Shore Drive >Apt. 5 1/2 >Bremen, IN 46506 >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ==== Melungeon Mailing List ==== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The MELUNGEON LIST HOMEPAGE: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/3778/ While you're there, share your Melungeon family information with Martha,so she can add it. Thanks to Martha Short for her work and list support!!

Those "antique" microfilm readers were provided by the taxpayers of the State of Oklahoma through allocations of tax dollars to various state agencies. "LIGHT A CANDLE" and contact your elected state officals and make it known that their support for the Oklahoma Historical Society is of the upmost importance. Ask for increased funding. How can the staff handle 50 people waiting in line for readers? By using time limits. Unlimited use is impossible. I am thankful that I have such a facility to use, even grateful that the crank turns! Tressie Nealy, OKC

In defense of the genealogy research facilities at the Oklahoma Historical Society (OHS) ... First, the OHS Research Library Division is not the Oklahoma Genealogical Society (OGS). The OGS is an totally separate entity. The OGS has no library. However, the books, microfilm, etc. that are purchased by OGS are donated to the OHS Research Library. The items become the property of the State of Oklahoma. Also, OGS members and many other individuals serve as volunteers in the research library and in the archives and manuscripts divisions where they assume a vast array of duties. The Oklahoma Historical Society is funded almost entirely by the taxpayers of State of Oklahoma via the State Legislature. In the past OHS has been notably UNDERFUNDED. Were it not for organizations such as OGS, DAR, Friends of the Archives, etc., plus the dedicated volunteers and many generous individuals, there would be no money to purchase books, microfilm, manuscripts, photographs and equipment, because of limited funds in the OHS budget to provide these items. The OHS building was constructed in the 1930s, before there was even a National Archives, to house the records of the Five Civilized Tribes and records of the various Indian Agencies that were rotting away in various places thoughout the state and items that had been donated to the society prior to that time. It was not until after WWII that much thought was given to a library for genealogical research. At that time the Oklahoma Society DAR made an agreement with OHS to house the State DAR Library in the current Library Reading Room. The cabinets that today line the west wall were provided by DAR to hold the DAR collection. The Society has grown tremendously since that time, but is still housed in a 65 year old building. When I began my research at OHS in 1972, there were only three microfilm readers, but there were many days that I spent all day at one, because back then you could count the number of patrons on one hand. This was also before published census indexes, so if you didn't know the county where your ancestor lived you might have to read a whole state. Or, if you were smart enough to write the historical society in the state where you were searching to see if a card index to the census was available, you might get lucky. All day on the microfilm reader did not last long, because as word got out that the library had all of the U.S. census available on microfilm for all the states from 1790 through 1880, thanks to a special appropriation of the State Legislature, the number of patrons increased dramatically. For many years, the OHS Library was one of only a handful of institutions with complete sets of the U.S. census. By 1976, the OHS Research Library had one of the largest patronages of any state historical society in the nation and this is still true today. A time limit on microfilm readers is not unique to the OHS Library. I was at the National Archives in Washington, D.C., on the very first Saturday a limit was placed on the readers there. I will never forget how embarassed I was by the complaints and actions of many fellow genealogists. Researchers should use time limits to their advantage. That means doing your homework and being prepared. There is a wealth of genealogical material on Oklahoma in the library and the archives. The library staff has produced a number of outstanding finding aids for researchers...these include "Oklahoma: A Bibliography" that includes manuscripts, books and microfiche dealing with Oklahoma; "Five Civilized Tribes: A Bibliography" that lists all books at OHS pertaining to those tribes. There are other bibliographies for family histories, cemeteries and marriages. These are available in the OHS Book Store, can be ordered by mail or consulted in the library. The Archives has its microfilm catalogue online. You can even download a copy. Besides Indian records, it lists county and other available records . What can you do to help make OHS a better research facility? (1) Join the Oklahoma Historical Society >> http://www.ok-history.mus.ok.us << (2) Join the Friends of the Archives >> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/7673 << (3) Volunteer to do something useful, at the society or at home, (e.g., index a book or a collection, transcribe a diary, etc.). Contact me. (4) Write your State Senator and Representative to express your concern about preserving Oklahoma history and increasing funding to the OHS. This is extremely important! >> http://www.odl.state.ok.us/whoiswho/index.htm << (5) If you are from out-of-state, write to Gov. Keating and tell him of your concerns about preserving Oklahoma history and your support of his efforts to provide the state with a new history center. >> governorkeating@email.com << Sharron Ashton Norman OK

Janis, I too have made a trip to Okla. City to look at their records. If you do get one of their antique microfilm readers, by the time you get it to work, you won't get to look at much before your turn is up and you have to give it to someone else. The way their entire system is set up makes one constantly feel like they are pressured to hurry up. I'm sure they have a lot of material, but it isn't exactly easy to find, and the people who work there act like they really don't like being asked questions. If you want to see how a place like that should be operated, go to Little Rock, Ar. to the Arkansas History Commission. The traffic there in Little Rock is terrible, but it is worth it. The have tons of records from that whole area, not just Ar, and the people who work there will bend over backwards to help you. From my house Okla. City is a 4 hour drive and Little Rock is 10 but I will drive the extra 6 again one day, that's how much difference there is. Dale Thompson

Cathy, I am putting in my 2 cents worth on the OK Gen. Society. As far as census etc. go to OKGEN-D@rootsweb.com and subscribe to this list. It is alot of people willing to help anyone. Someone may do a census lookup for you or tell you where you can access it online. I just returned from a trip to OK and went to the Gen. Society in OK City and was very disapointed in what they had available for OK state itself. They had microfilm of all kinds but the micro-readers were always full and hand cranked not electric. Try the OKGEN list group, just ask for help and see what it gets you. janis in MS Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Subject: > > Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest Volume 99 : Issue 142 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Johnson Proctor brother of Ezekial [Hdknuck40@aol.com] > #2 Re: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Diges [RagMike@aol.com] > #3 Re: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Diges [Beverly Brown <missbev@theshop.net] > #4 Oklahoma Historical Society ["Cathy in Oregon" <dennis7@surfree] > #5 IT census ["Color Red" <ColORRed@inconnect.co] > #6 Goodwater, Ok [one-horse@webtv.net (Sharon Hunter] > #7 Re: Goodwater, Ok [Susan Danna <susan9@home.com>] > #8 Re: Goodwater, Ok [Sharon Crawford <scburn1@oklahoma.] > #9 Goodwater, Ok [one-horse@webtv.net (Sharon Hunter] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from Indian-Territory-Roots-D, send a message to > > Indian-Territory-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Johnson Proctor brother of Ezekial Proctor > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:51:02 EDT > From: Hdknuck40@aol.com > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Does anyone have any information on an older brother of Ezekial Proctor named > Johnson Proctor son of Willaim Proctor and Dicey Downing. I am trying to > locate the place of his burial and ANY OTHER information. 1)Johnson was born > in Georgia (no date). Brothers and sisters were: > 2)Sarah Proctor m. Edward Foreman, 3)Elizabeth Proctor m. James Kesterson, > 4)Adam Proctor, 5)Archibald Proctor, 6)Ezekial Proctor m. 1) Rebecca Mitchell > > 2)Margaret(Peggy) Denton nee Downing 3) Jane Harlan 4) Eliza Chaney Welch, > 7) Rachel Proctor, 8) Nannie Proctor m. Abraham Sixkiller. > Johnson was killed at the Goingsnake Court House shoot-out on April 15 1872. > He was married to Elizabeth Foreman. I have been to the Johnson Cemetery, > (located 5mi. west of Siloam Springs Ark. in eastern OK., where Zeke is > buried and his brother Johnson wasn't there. I read that Johnson's wife came > and got his body, but it didn't say where she took it. Please if anyone can > be of assistance, please let me know! > Linda Mathis- East Texas > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest V99 #141 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:55:16 EDT > From: RagMike@aol.com > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > I'm doing some research for a friend and a name that keeps popping up is > WARD. Does anyone have any clues? First name is HESPIE (maybe a different > spelling). > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest V99 #141 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:36:04 -0500 > From: Beverly Brown <missbev@theshop.net> > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > The Oklahoma Historical Society charges $15 for research + $5 for a copy of > a Dawes Roll census card package or .50 a page for other copies for > non-Oklahoma residents. They charge just the copy fees (not the $15) for > Oklahoma residents. Their address is Oklahoma Historical Society, Indian > Archives, 2100 N. Lincoln Blvd, Oklahoma City, OK 73105-4997. > > Beverly > missbev@theshop.net > > <snip> > >We have corresponded before. To order the "enrollment packets" for the > Dawes > >Card for Etta Mae Huddleston contact the Friends of the Oklahoma Historical > >Society at the following website: > >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/7673/ . I am fairly certain they can > >send you this. I think the cost is about $10 to $15. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Oklahoma Historical Society > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:05:38 -0700 > From: "Cathy in Oregon" <dennis7@surfree.com> > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > What else does the society have? I need like census from 1900-1920. Land > records may be... No telling what else.. > > Thanks... Cathy > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: IT census > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 14:27:59 -0600 > From: "Color Red" <ColORRed@inconnect.com> > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Does anyone know where I might find census or marriage records in IT, > during the 1880-1900 time frame. I am looking for the surname of a > Jessie, whom may have been Cherokee. She married Harmon Theodore Swearingen(a photographer), sometime between 1885-1897. > They appear on the 1910 Logan Co., OK census, along with their son > Audley Paul Swearingen. There is a tie to Washington Co., OK, and > someone named Whiteturkey. > I found the following in the online card file of OK University: > > Appraisals (1905) issued by > the Townsite Commission of the Cherokee Nation and > a land patent (1907) for lots in Ramona, Indian > Territory; lease (1909) for land in Washington County, > Oklahoma; and a work permit (1895) issued by the > Cherokee Nation to a citizen, Whiteturkey, allowing > him to hire a non-citizen to farm his land. > > I would appreciate any help or suggestions. > > Cheryl ColORRed@inconnect.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Goodwater, Ok > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:24:51 -0500 (CDT) > From: one-horse@webtv.net (Sharon Hunter) > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Has anyone ever heard of a Goodwater, Ok. If so where is it...I would > appreciate any help in locating this town if it still exist or what it > was renamed or is it an Indian ghost town.??? > Thanks in advance > Sharon > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Goodwater, Ok > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:43:03 -0700 > From: Susan Danna <susan9@home.com> > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Sharon, found these two listings for Goodwater in Oklahoma > 18. Goodwater Creek.................(creek) > (N & C Am., USA, Oklahoma, Choctaw)[2355194] > 19. Goodwater Creek.................(creek) > (N & C Am., USA, Oklahoma, McCurtain)[2355195] > > Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names > http://www.ahip.getty.edu/tgn_browser/index.html > > Sharon Hunter wrote: > > > Has anyone ever heard of a Goodwater, Ok. If so where is it...I would > > appreciate any help in locating this town if it still exist or what it > > was renamed or is it an Indian ghost town.??? > > Thanks in advance > > Sharon > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: Goodwater, Ok > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 22:45:46 -0500 > From: Sharon Crawford <scburn1@oklahoma.net> > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Oklahoma Place Names: > Goodwater is in McCurtain Couty, 12 miles east of Idabel. A post office > from Dec. 19, 1894, to Feb. 28, 1959, it took its name from nearby > Goodwater Creek, a tributary of Little River. > > Sharon Hunter wrote: > > > > Has anyone ever heard of a Goodwater, Ok. If so where is it...I would > > appreciate any help in locating this town if it still exist or what it > > was renamed or is it an Indian ghost town.??? > > Thanks in advance > > Sharon > > -- > Sharon Crawford, Asst OKGenWeb State Coordinator > http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb > ICQ#18100823 "mailto:scburn1@oklahoma.net" > OKbits: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okbits/ > MailListowner For: Garvin Co. and Pontotoc Co. > Garvin Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgarvin/garvin.htm > Pontotoc Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~okpontot/pontotoc.htm > Researching Burnett, Wright, Underwood, Crawford, Gosser > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Goodwater, Ok > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 23:16:38 -0500 (CDT) > From: one-horse@webtv.net (Sharon Hunter) > To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Thanks to all who answered my call. I appreciate all who have sent me > the infomation on Goodwater Ok. Thanks to all of you for helping me > find it on a map. > I now know where Goodwater, Ok is.... > Thanks again > Sharon

Lisa Tulsa, Oklahoma was first settled by the Creek after their surrender of 52,000 acres and forced removal from Alabama. In the beginning named Tallasi; meaning "old town;" the first residents transformed the city name from Tulsee Town, Tulsi and Tallasi. Little Tulsa in Alabama? I'll have to explore it....... Bernie Moore-Knowles

Lisa you might want to check out this site. You may have the wrong tribe? Janis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmamcrk4/crkfm2b.html#anchor1013797 http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cmamcrk4/smcrks1.html#anchor590103 Sophie McGillivray Born: about 1741 in Little Tulsa, Elmore, AL; Married: about 1758 in Little Tulsa, Elmore, AL; Died, Parents: Sehoy II and Lachlan McGillivray LifeNotes: Of the Wind Clan. Went to school in Charleston, SC