The message (below) has been answered (privately) by the List Owner. We do not need any further discussion on the subject. Jerri Chasteen List Owner ~~~ Chuck Mayfield wrote: > Forgive me for butting in. How is this BS about "do-gooders" relevant to > genealogy (or to Indian-Territory-Roots for that matter)? I see altogether > too much of this crap on this list. I have Indian-Territory-Roots. Both my > maternal grandfather and maternal grandmother were born in I.T., where now > stands Row-Colcord, OK. I for one, do not appreciate you using a genealogy > forum to spread your racial bull-crap. >

Forgive me for butting in. How is this BS about "do-gooders" relevant to genealogy (or to Indian-Territory-Roots for that matter)? I see altogether too much of this crap on this list. I have Indian-Territory-Roots. Both my maternal grandfather and maternal grandmother were born in I.T., where now stands Row-Colcord, OK. I for one, do not appreciate you using a genealogy forum to spread your racial bull-crap. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Guest [mailto:jguest@republic.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:13 AM To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: NA comparison Choctaw wrote: > > Just a note: The term American Indian is usually preferred by most of us > Indians. Native American is anyone born to this country. But most people > still use the NA reference to American Indians. We still just call > ourselves Indians unless in a discussion that might confuse us with the > Indians of India. =========== I agree. I think too many people in this counry go around being offended on behalf of some group who would rather just be left alone. How much more "native" can a person be to a county than to be born there, no matter if it is two years ago, or two hundred? I personally wish the "do-gooders" would mind their own business. Sorry, but I can't hold it sometimes. Jim

Choctaw wrote: > > Just a note: The term American Indian is usually preferred by most of us > Indians. Native American is anyone born to this country. But most people > still use the NA reference to American Indians. We still just call > ourselves Indians unless in a discussion that might confuse us with the > Indians of India. =========== I agree. I think too many people in this counry go around being offended on behalf of some group who would rather just be left alone. How much more "native" can a person be to a county than to be born there, no matter if it is two years ago, or two hundred? I personally wish the "do-gooders" would mind their own business. Sorry, but I can't hold it sometimes. Jim

Just a note: The term American Indian is usually preferred by most of us Indians. Native American is anyone born to this country. But most people still use the NA reference to American Indians. We still just call ourselves Indians unless in a discussion that might confuse us with the Indians of India. :)

Doug Barkley wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance but, What is a NA? ============= Native American, to the politically correct, Indian, to the rest of us. Jim (who descends from the Alabama Creeks)

Hello, all, this is my first time posting to this list. My grandfather was William Emmit ROBERTSON. He was born at Stigler, IT on Aug. 15, 1893 to James Robert ROBERTSON and Ida Clementine ROLLINS. One the 1920 census for Stigler, he listed his occupation as a clerk in a store and that his parents were both from Arkansas. He married ruth Rozelle HOWELL (daughter of Eldridge Webster HOWELL and Minnie Amelia BRANDON born on Aug 23, 1897 in Barnesville, GA) on Oct. 11, 1914. One that census, her parents were listed as being from Al and GA. Her brother, J. D. HOWELL, was living with them at the time of the census. William was the oldest of 9 or 10 (+/-) children. Has anyone found mention of either family? If anyone has, I would appreciate knowing about it. TIA, Sandy pavletich - near somewhat warmer St. Louieee

First I would like to say that I posted my first query this morning & have been totally overwhelmed at the wonderful responses from all you great folks! One kind woman has even volunteered to look something up for me in the Tulsa Library tomorrow! Thank you all for your generous responses! If only all the rootsweb Lists were as nice as you have been- Another lady said "Post your family- maybe someone will know who they are", so here goes, long shot that it is: William H Etheridge DAUGHERTY b- 1859 Kaufman C o TX d-??? he was son of Nathan Nathaniel DAUGHERTY & Lu Zylphia McPETERS married Amanda E BOLES in Kaufman TX 1888 Mandy was b- 1866 Kaufman CO TX, dau of John Wesley BOLES & Elizabeth Jane BLOCKER she died 1955 Kaufman CO TX They had children: 1. Laconia b-1891 Indian Territory (Chickasaw Nation) d- 1910- in the North Texas Insane Asylum where she worked- killed by a lunatic 2. Olan Etheridge b- 1894 in Kaufman Co TX d- 1961 in Craig Co OK md- Voda Parham 1917 in Pulaski Co AR 3. CLoie Audie b-`1895 Kaufman Co TX d- 1976 Kaufman Co TX md Jasper BURK Kaufman Co TX 4. Ora Lake b- 1897 Kaufman Co TX d- 1980 Kaufman Co TX md Ollie John BENSON Kaufman Co TX 5. Byron b- 1899 Indian Teritory d- before 1910 6. Freenoy b- 1906 Indian Territory d- 1957 Craig Co OK md- Mr. BANNING 7. Claude E b- 1903 Indian Territory d- 1953 Kaufman Co TX I know William was on the 1900 Chickasaw Census- but on the 1910 kaufman Co TX census Mandy is listed as a Widow- it appears they were in the Indian Territory most of the early 1900's so I'm wondering if he died there.... I know that they were in the Indian territory with one of Mandy's cousins, Morgan BOLES & his wife & children- they are on the 1900 census also- Any help is appreciated- And, Thank You Kathey in Kaufman TX

The census page should show either the name of a town or a "Township and Range" designation. For example- Enumeration Dist 167, page one (microfilm T623-1849- page 58) lists the enumerated location for that page as "Township 1 South- Range 3 West". Your local library should have (or be able to get) an Oklahoma map showing where this is located. My map here in my office is of an early, early Indian Territory (few names of towns), but if you will pinpoint where the eastern county line of Montague County Texas touches the Red River, then go directly north about 36 miles, you should be close to the location for this particular page. As the census enumerators went on with their listings, it is evident that they got rather sloppy! The next page lists the location as "Town 1 S. R. 3. W" (which was meaning the same location as the one above), so use your imagination when reading these. Best of luck Jerri Chasteen ~~~~~~~~~ Kathey Kelley Hunt wrote: > I am seeking info on how I can determine WHERE in the IT a person was if > they were enumerated on the 1900 Census in the Chichasaw Nation. These > people were enumerated in E D 167. Can anyone tell me where that is now? > What County in OK? We are searching for burial sites, land records, > etc.& have no clue as to where to begin as this is our first experience > with the Indian territory. These people were not Indian- they were from > caucasian from TX. > Thanks > Kathey

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I have been told that my GGGrandmother may have belonged to the Tutelo tribe. Is there any way to find a list of any people descending from the Indians who lived in Viginia? I am told that they mixed with the Cherokee and lived on the Rappahannock River somewhere near Sperryville, and Little Washington,Virginia. She was born 1836 and her name was RED WING (aka ELIZA J. DODSON; and was married to JOHN T. DODSON in about 1865...so she may have been married to someone earlier than that;since she was 31 when she had my GGrandfather TURNER ASHBY DODSON in 1867. Any help appreciated. Most Sincerely, Melodee Arruda

Researching the above names, most of whom were in Indian Territory by 1890. Andrew J. ALLEN, b Nov 1855, MS, d aft 1900, (prob.) Hughes Co., OK married Ann C. (Salila) WIGGINTON, b c 1862, Marion Co., AL,, d/o Fieldon WIGGINTON, b 1825, AL, d Poteau, Leflore, OK, married Sarah Frances HARRELL, b Jan 1829, Maury Co., TN, d Poteau, Leflore, OK Maybelle ALLEN, a daughter of Andrew and Ann, m. Homer I. FIELDS of AR in 1914 and lived with her children in Pontotoc Co. Would appreciate any information and/or corrections regarding these families. Thank you. Doreen Pool

Dear Ona, I was wondering, are you referring to the FHC Library in Tulsa as being so friendly and helpful or the Tulsa City County Library Branch- The Schusterman Library, with the genealogical resources and volunteers there? :o) Karla On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 18:02:21 EDT PlantzLady@aol.com writes: >I have only been to Ok. City one time to do research. That was when I >first >started and didn't know anything about genealogy.I didn't have very >good luck >there. I have been to a lot of libraries. Big ones like Dallas to >small ones >In little towns. But here I am going to brag a little about Tulsa >Library. It >is true that you only have 2 hours on the machines if it is busy. But >the >people are so nice and as helpful as can be. and they have a very good > >selection of things to look at. > But as on person said , I have found more on the internet in the >last >couple of months that I have found in the last 20 years of research. >Ona >

Paula, This is a HUGE issue affecting everyone doing OK research, I'm sure the subject will quit when a solution comes to light. So far, I like the suggestion for all to write to the heads of this library with hopes things will improve. Anyone who has more alternatives to good sources in OK, as far as depositories, please send it along. Thanks, Janice

At 23:54 -0500 on 4/18/1999, Jerri (Rogers) Chasteen mailed Re: NA comparison: >I would like to have a discussion on the development differences >between the NA and the late arrivals to their land. > >I am interested in 1)What would be some of the reasons for the white >man to have guns, gov't, etc. while the NA only had bows and arrows? >2) Can anyone give me a scenario of a day in a typical NA's life. > >Inasmuch as NA's meet and compete with the white man at his level is >that to say the differences are due to enviroment? The Euros (whoops, that's a unit of currency) the Invaders had been to China first, where they observed Chinese use of gunpowder. Being adaptive and innovative, which those in America were later to find out, the Invaders through trial and error and a number of wars among themselves, came up with cannon and musket. (It took someone from the woodsy parts of Pennsylvania and Kentucky to come up with the rifle.) Thank you for listening. Ted ==================================================== mailto:egburton@valint.net for personal conversation mailto:attorney@valint.net for Consulting Legal Work - if you are an attorney, swamped or puzzled, reply!

I am seeking info on how I can determine WHERE in the IT a person was if they were enumerated on the 1900 Census in the Chichasaw Nation. These people were enumerated in E D 167. Can anyone tell me where that is now? What County in OK? We are searching for burial sites, land records, etc.& have no clue as to where to begin as this is our first experience with the Indian territory. These people were not Indian- they were from caucasian from TX. Thanks Kathey

To all concerned, PLEASE DON'T USE THIS FORUM TO VOICE BAD FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE ABOUT SOMETHING .PLEASE USE IT FOR GOOD. I AM NEW TO THIS AND LOVE HOW MOST OF YOU HAVE RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER,SO PLEASE USE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS INTENDED,GENEALOGY.THANK YOU.PAULA FROM TULSA OKLA

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FCE2A80A5332EB032A85A4C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [Forwarded to list from non-subscriber] --------------FCE2A80A5332EB032A85A4C2 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from po1.namesecure.com ([205.229.232.3]) by isp.viagrafix.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-54402U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id net for <jchasteen@viagrafix.net>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:11:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 4463 invoked by alias); 19 Apr 1999 06:03:52 -0000 Delivered-To: redirect-admin@cherokee.net Received: (qmail 4453 invoked from network); 19 Apr 1999 06:03:52 -0000 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (204.212.38.30) by po1.namesecure.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 1999 06:03:52 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21333 for owner-Indian-Territory-Roots@lists.rootsweb.com; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:03:45 -0700 (PDT) X-From_: martyc@easy.com Sun Apr 18 23:03:45 1999 Received: from bl-3.rootsweb.com (bl-3.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.19]) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21314 for <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@bl-14.rootsweb.com>; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.easy.com (MAIL.EASY.COM [207.22.244.22]) by bl-3.rootsweb.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA12845 for <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com>; Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compaq ([207.22.247.142]) by mail.easy.com (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 116-45242U2500L250S0) with SMTP id AAA144 for <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com>; Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:02:49 -0500 X-Sender: martyc@mail.easy.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Old-Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 01:04:51 -0500 To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com From: Martha Veselka <martyc@easy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <19990419060247983.AAA144@compaq> X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Inviroment/Greed X-Envelope-To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 No Paul it is not enviroment it is plain and simple GREED. The first man to discover America didn't walk off his ship and ask is this land taken? No, he first planted a flag and then preceeded to take and to this day they are still trying to take. Martha in as much as NA's meet and compete with the white man at his level is > that to say the differences are due to enviroment? > > Thank you; > > Paul --------------FCE2A80A5332EB032A85A4C2--

"NA" = "Native American" jc Doug Barkley wrote: > Pardon my ignorance but, What is a NA? > Doug Barkley > > paulduncan wrote: > > > Hi All: > > > > I would like to have a discussion on the development differences between > > the NA and the late arrivals to their land. > > > > I am interested in 1)What would be some of the reasons for the white man > > to have guns, gov't, etc. while the NA only had bows and arrows? 2) Can > > anyone give me a scenario of a day in a typical NA's life. > > > > Inasmuch as NA's meet and compete with the white man at his level is > > that to say the differences are due to enviroment? > > > > Thank you; > > > > Paul

I suspose I have a rather "simplistic" viewpoint. but, it seems to me that if those of you who are unhappy with the OHS would talk TO the OHS rather than ABOUT the OSH, perhaps some of your concerns could be addressed. At least your coments would be directed to those who can do something about them. OHS may appreciate your coments and may even provide some opportunity for you to help improve its service. That, in turn, would allow this list to return to productive research. Paul

I live in NM, and have used the OHS library many times. I have always found the people very nice and helpful, and didn't think it was expensive. Maybe those that had a bad experience were having a bad day. I personally think it is a shame that this genealogy site is being used in this manner. It's too bad, we can't get this much participation from genealogy. Lynda