Thanx to all of you that have answered my call for help. I noticed that I had spelled Choctaw wrong in my post. Im looking for John (Jack) Cunningham, his son James Franklin Cunningham b. 1911 in OK. James was the youngest child in the family. I have been told that John and his wife may not be the parents of James after all, but his grandparents. That his older sister was his mother, all I know about her is James called her Sis. And she kept in close contact with him even after he moved to Tampa FL in his teens. ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com

Marti wrote: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/maps/okmap.htm Thanks Marti for the Map! It's one of the best I've seen! Clay -- "Every Human Life Carries Sufficient Interest To Make A Good Story, If An Artist Should Tell It!" - - Walter Beecher Smith

> Where there certain areas divide among different tribes in the IT or were all tribes pushed together. I am looking for my great grandfather, whom I have been told was Chactow, living in Oklahoma. Where would be a good place to start my search. Try our Oklahoma map at http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/maps/okmap.htm should give you a better understanding of where those from the various tribes lived. Marti I'm an Angel - R U? http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ ____________________________________________ mailto:marti@rootsweb.com eCode: http://marti.eCode.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"

Where there certain areas divide among different tribes in the IT or were all tribes pushed together. I am looking for my great grandfather, whom I have been told was Chactow, living in Oklahoma. Where would be a good place to start my search. ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com

Choctaw were found in the Southeast part of Oklahoma.

If anyone has exchanged family info with me, please resend because a hacker erased my mail files from the past 3 mos. including all my addresses. Please respond privately to me so as not to clutter the lists. In case others wish to know how the hacker worked it was a chat program, and is called a backdoor virus. Not a true virus, but they can delete files while in there. They can also d/l a virus if they wish so I encourage all of you to get Guard Dog if you use a chat. This was due to my 11 year old not knowing not to respond to a chat request. He didn't want to be rude....and the person pretended to be his age. I had been attempting to find out how to move my mail to disk just days prior....and unfortunately had not received that info. I now know how to do it (it is in help, and is a backup....for those who asked me to relay this info.). Anyone who wants to know EXACTLY how to put it on a backup disk may email me privately. This is for OUTLOOK EXPRESS only, I do not know how other programs do it. thanks, Debbie

Bobbie and Jimmie Taylor - Check this web site, there might be a connection: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland6059/s_pool.htm Good luck, I too have a lone POOL but have been given leads from this site. Sandi Visit my Web page: http://members.tripod.com/shadow07734/shadow.html MAY WE ALL WALK IN BEAUTY! Always looking for: HOLLAND, ALLEN, FINNEY, HOOVER/HUBER, NORRIS, WELLS, DANIEL(S), PENDERGRASS, GREGORY, LEE, McKEE, UNDERWOOD, POWERS, FLETCHER, POOL Portuguese: TERRA, CABRAL, FERNANDES(Z) (ALEIXO), MONICE (MENEZE/MENIZ)

Hi to all, I know there are a number of HIGHTOWER desendants on this list, so does anyone know what has happened to the Hightower Database web site? I haven't been able to get into the web site for a couple of weeks. Thank you, Dan Metivier

This is off- topic messages. Please do not continue this thread! Jerri Chasteen List Owner CCCharlie1@aol.com wrote: > I thought the article was so funny, I didn't care whether or not it was all > 100% true. > I forwarded it to some friends, and one sent this note back to me: > > Add In: > > Tables were merely a frame with loose boards placed over them. > When meals were done, instead of wiping off the boards, they were > flipped upside down so that all the crumbs and other loose foods > could fall to the floor where resident creatures would eat them. > Usually there were few designated places to sit except for the chair > belonging to the master of the house. The man would sit in his chair > for his meals at the board. Thus the "Chairman of the Board". > > PS: We got to visit the Hathaway house when we were in England in 1990. > Heard most, but not all of this as a part of the tour. Really enjoyed > learning the origin of the words and phrases. Glad to get this recap. I > passed it on to a few others.

Hi all - Final reminder - Tammie and I still need helpers to set at the OKGenWeb/Rootsweb table. If you plan to attend and can spare an hour, let us know. Marti ============================================================ Guthrie, Oklahoma - The Logan County Genealogical Society, Inc., will host its fifth annual Central Oklahoma Ancestor Fair Saturday, May 1, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. at the Logan County Fairgrounds in Historic Guthrie. Admission is free. This event will have something of interest for anyone who is researching his or her family history. The following is only a partial list of participants. Vendors of genealogical supplies, materials and books who will be present including The Memorabilia Corner from Norman, the Genealogy Shop from Seminole, and Books and Things from Texas, Cover to Cover Book Store, and Creative Memories will have their scrapbooks. Representatives from the Oklahoma Genealogical Society, as well as the Logan, McClain and Garfield County Genealogical Societies will be present, as well as lineage societies including Daughters of the American Revolution, United Daughters of the Confederacy, Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War, and First Families of the Twin Territories. The Oklahoma City LDS library will be present with many of their resources which will be available for research. Also scheduled are representatives from the Internet genealogical site known as "Rootsweb" who will help you find your way around the Internet genealogical sites and to assist you in using the Internet for your family research. There will be a table dedicated to "Smith" family research, and a table sponsored by The Oklahombres, a group dedicated to the research of early outlaws and lawmen of Oklahoma. Dr. Reba Collins, noted Will Rogers author will also be present. Lunch will be available at the site, and door prizes will be given throughout the day. Mark your calendar now and plan to attend this important genealogical event. For further information, contact Bob or Tammie Chada at tchada@flash.net or check out our web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklcgs/fair.htm -- ____________________________________________ mailto:marti@rootsweb.com eCode: http://marti.eCode.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"

I thought the article was so funny, I didn't care whether or not it was all 100% true. I forwarded it to some friends, and one sent this note back to me: Add In: Tables were merely a frame with loose boards placed over them. When meals were done, instead of wiping off the boards, they were flipped upside down so that all the crumbs and other loose foods could fall to the floor where resident creatures would eat them. Usually there were few designated places to sit except for the chair belonging to the master of the house. The man would sit in his chair for his meals at the board. Thus the "Chairman of the Board". PS: We got to visit the Hathaway house when we were in England in 1990. Heard most, but not all of this as a part of the tour. Really enjoyed learning the origin of the words and phrases. Glad to get this recap. I passed it on to a few others.

<<P. S. The Happy99.exe file you sent me won't open what am I doing wrong.>> ================================================== I think I have heard somewhere that the Happy99.exe program is a virus. Were you kidding? I cracked up, anyway. Happy99.exe is a worm. You should NOT open that file DO NOT OPEN THE HAPPY FILE. IT IS A VIRUS! >If someone sent you this file you need to toss it....its a VIRUS/WORM! ------------ Thank you all very much, you saved me from a terrible doom. Lynn ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com

From: jcpbaker <jcpbaker@email.msn.com> To: equate@lycosmail.com Subject: Re: Life in the 1500's Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 7:48 PM Sandi: That was the most interesting, informative and entertaining email I have ever received. Where in the world did you get all of this information? I would be interested in learning more about our ancestor's and such wonderful sayings. Again, thanks so much. Cari Hello Cari, I should have noted on the piece that I am not the author. I can only take credit for passing this piece on. I found it funny, interesting, and full of lore. It was sent to me through one of the other lists. I thought that others would enjoy it also, so I past it on. The closing signature was Col. Sandi Gorin, she has a web site where she sells books and genealogy materials. In case you what to take a look at her site, I have added url. PUBLISHING: http://members.delphi.com/gorin1/index.html P. S. The Happy99.exe file you sent me won't open what am I doing wrong. ----------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://email.lycos.com

Jerri (Rogers) Chasteen wrote: > Leta- > Back in the days of the depression, the US started what was known as > "The WPA Projects" ("Works Progress Administration"). ============= An off-topic, but interesting note...... In the woods of east Texas back during those times folks had another definition for the W.P.A.... "We Piddle Around". Jim

Here is the continuing...index of the Indian Pioneer Papers--Western History Collection---University of Oklahoma. The Indian Pioneer History Papers is a collection of interviews done in 1937 & 1938, which includes biographical data on both living and deceased persons of Indian and pioneer heritage whose lives have been important in the history of Oklahoma. There is also a collection of information on family customs, tribal histories, social organizations, folklore, legends, cemeteries, old trails, ferries, forts, trading centers and other unrecorded facts known only to oral tradition. VOLUME 77-------MICROFICHE #6016942-----8 FICHE----- NAME ADDRESS ROBERTSON, Andrew Dave El Reno, OK ROBERTSON, C.V. Sulphur, OK ROBERTSON, Charles H. Tulsa, OK ROBERTSON, J.L. Chickasha, OK ROBERTSON, Jenny Oklahoma City, OK ROBERTSON, Lee " " " ROBERTSON, William Albert Claremore, OK ROBERTSON, William S. Medford, OK ROBINSON, Barney C. Lamar, OK ROBINSON, E.F.(Mrs) Muskogee, OK ROBINSON, Eliza Allen Duke, OK ROBINSON, Ella Coody Muskogee, OK ROBINSON, Ethel (Miss) Enid, OK ROBINSON, Evart (Evert) A. Carrier, OK ROBINSON, H.A. Blanchard, OK ROBINSON, J.P. Geary, OK ROBINSON, Joe Braggs, OK ROBINSON, John C. Muskogee, OK ROBINSON, Laura " " ROBINSON, Lizzie Geary, OK ROBINSON, M.E.(Mrs) Anadarko, OK ROBINSON, Raymond Caney, OK ROBINSON, Samuel Fulton Kingfisher, OK ROBINSON, Sekice Okemah, OK ROBINSON, T.T. Atoka, OK ROBINSON, Washeen Colony, OK ROBINSON, Will Lawton, OK ROBISON, Mary J. Mulhall, OK ROBISON, Will R. Muskogee, OK ROBITAILLE, Lena Wyandotte, OK ROBRECHT, Emma Anadarko, OK ROCK, Catcher Proctor, OK ROEBUCK, Paul Garnett Hugo, OK ROFF, Charles (Mrs) Roff, OK ROFF, Joe T. " " ROGERS, Altie Kingfisher, OK ROGERS, Andrew L. Fort Gibson, OK ROGERS, Buck Checotah, OK ROGERS, Buell Sentinel, OK ROGERS, Charles Tulsa, OK ROGERS, Charles B. " " ROGERS, Charles Huckleberry " " ROGERS, James S. Anadarko, OK ROGERS, Joe J. Vinita, OK ROGERS, John (Mrs) Oklahoma City, OK ROGERS, Lizzie Sentinel, OK ROGERS, Love Adair, OK ROGERS, Nannie Skiatook, OK ROGERS, Ola J. Cleveland, OK ROGERS, Onie Ward Hugo, OK ROGERS, Rebecca Elizabeth Alva, OK ROGERS, Robert Jones Hobart, OK ROGERS, Tom (Mrs) Lawton, OK ROGERS, W.C. (Mrs) Skiatook, OK ROGERS, W.S. Duncan, OK ROGERS, William Atoka, OK ROGERS, William F. " " ROGERS, William T. Edmond, OK ROGERS, Willie F. Atoka, OK VOLUME 103-----MICROFICHE #6016968----10 FICHE---- NAME TITLE CARSELOWEY, James R.------- J.C. Starr Papers Choctaw Laws Cherokee Election or Treaty Cherokee History Indian Court Dawes Commission Breker Letter (Will Roger's Funeral) Will Rogers Cherokee National Female Seminary Chickasaw Tribal Protective Association CLARK, J.A.----------------Charles Cutler Torrey Creek Manuscripts Creek Manuscript CLARK, Stanley A.----------Creek Documents Choctaw Documents Cherokee Documents CLARK, J.A.----------------Choctaw Manuscript Cherokee Manuscript Cherokee Manuscript CLARK, Stanley A.----------Cherokee Documents CLARK, Winifred M.---------George Hartley--Missionary Tecumseh Immigration of Negroes Early Day Negro Settlers Burning of Indian Boys Cyclones Mary Caroline Boudinet Oratorical Contest TO BE CONTINUED...........

Regardless if the "life in the 1500's" is based on fact or fiction. It served for a few giggles, I liked it. A wake in Ireland was held as a visual over the deceased. In Britian its a parish festival held annually for the Patron Saint of the Church. In the States its called Happy Hour, hahaha

Greetings to all -- I have just returned from a three-week trip to OK for genealogical research. I have been catching up on my messages, and reading with interest the debate about the OHS and the OK archives. I did not go the archives during my visit, but spend much time in the Garfield and Kay county libraries, as well as cemeteries, museums, and visiting with relatives who did not know me from Adam. I found the facilities and the people of OK to be wonderful! I never was given anything less than a warm welcome and helpful information. I was so impressed with the people and facilities of OK, I am ready to move there! Mark Babb, OSL; IBSSG "He who has no fools, knaves, or beggars in his family was begot by a flash of lightning." -- Old English Proverb Proud sponsor of Rootsweb Researching: BABB, ROSE, CONOVER, ELLIS, MOORMAN, ARRASMITH, FORTE, CHRISMAN, MIDDLETON, SHEPPHERD, MIARS, BELL, WILSON, MERCER, HUSSEY, BAYLIE

Hi, I just wanted to thank everyone who gave me directions and information for my research/anniversary trip to Oklahoma. While I did not get to go every place I wanted (esp. OK Hist. Society Library) I did find a lot of good information. I also learned that I will never again take my husband into another courthouse for the rest of his life. No matter how much he promised not to complain..... well some of you will get the picture. I'm also 5 1/2 months pregnant and couldn't lift the books so I had to have him do that. He got really tired of looking for names without any guarantee that they'd be there. We were in OKC on the anniversary of the Bombing, so went to the Murrah building which affected us more than we expected, especially me. We also went to Potawatomie County, visited the Citizen Potawatomie Nation (my husband is a member) and Wanette Cemetery. Then on our last day we went to Sulphur in Murray County and spent some time there. I will say this about my wonderful husband. TWICE in two largish cemeteries, he walked straight up to the headstones of the family (his side) that we were looking for. It would have taken me most of the day to flip coins to decide where to go, but he went straight to it. He's never been there before in his life. We found Connally, Gierhart, Melott, Norsworthy, Nowlin and Deen/Dean that we were looking for. If anyone else is researching any of these names in these counties, please let me know. Also, we stayed in Norman at the La Quinta Inn & Suites on Ed Noble Parkway. (It was a good neutral central place for OKC and Shawnee) and loved it. It was very nice and respectable price. Shelly Henley Kelly Galveston TX

On the post regarding Anne Hathaway and the 16th Century: 1. Anne Hathaway married Shakespeare at 26, but if I correctly recall my literature classes Anne had been married and widowed before. The average age of marriage for English girls at this time was about 17, not 11 or 12. The infant marriages you read about took place only among the rich and powerful for dynastic reasons. They were almost never consumated before the partners reached their mid to late teens. While folks in warmer climates (Earlier onset of menstruation) married earlier, it wasn't 11 or 12. More like 14 or 15. 2. Beds were custom made and varied in size. They didn't have "Queen sized" beds. I doubt very seriously that the brothers shared a bedroom with 30 field workers. Likely the field workers on a farm big enough to need them (This would be one heck of a big, prosperous farm!) lived in small cottages of their own. The brothers did likely share a bed, and this maybe included a servant or two. 3. 16th Century English bathed more than yearly. Commonly they would bathe monthly in good weather. Wealthy folks with servants to heat and carry bath water might bathe even more frequently. Most people washed daily. This idea that Europeans before the 19th century were filthy and smelly is a myth. (Medieval Scandanavians often bathed and/or saunaed daily.) The famous quote about Elizabeth I bathing "...once a month whether she needed it or not" was recorded because people were surprised she bathed so seldom and found the quote funny in her own time. While bath water was shared (continually freshened with more hot water), you wouldn't see dozens of people using the same bathwater. Lice were omnipresent, but had more to do with the lack of any good permanent means to kill nits than they did with bodily hygiene. (Think about the horrible chemicals we use to get rid of them when our children bring them home.) 4. People married in June because it was a time when the planting was done, the weather was good, and they had some months to spend together before harvest time. Brides carried flowers for the same reasons modern brides do, and further a bride would usually bathe on her wedding day, as would her groom. 5. Thatched roofs are still used today, as they are an excellent and beautiful form of roofing. Today thatching is very expensive, and it is a status symbol in Britain. While colonies of various rodents might set up housekeeping in a thatched roof, most houses in Anne Hathaway's day also had ceilings. The idea that such roofs contained virtual zoos that fell into houses is nonsense. The reason for "tester" or four-posted, canopied beds was simple: warmth and privacy. Period. 6. While the very poor might have hardpacked dirt floors, most people in Anne's day had wood or stone floors, including middle class folks. The rushes on dirt floors were totally replaced every two to three months. Houses had glass windows, too. 7. Kitchen fires were kept going all the time, even in poor households. The general diet was not all that bad. True, the poor got little beef and pork, except at butchering time, but the diet included a lot of fish and dairy in addition to grains and vegetables. Tomatoes were not eaten by europeans from their discovery in America because they were believed to be poisonous; not because of any interaction with pewter. Pewter and ceramic were the materials of middle class table wear. Wealthy people had silver, gold and fine porcelain. The wooden trencher was more commonly used much earlier. Tableware was washed after use. Worms were more a product of disease and eating partly spoiled meats. 8. I seriously doubt the truth of the stories on the origins of "wake" and "dead ringer". The latter term doesn't appear in anything I have read dating earlier than the late 19th century, and then only in American writings till much later. I have been told that the former comes from a Gaelic word, and know that the Irish "wake" has more to do with celebrating the life of the deceased than "waking" him up. In general, the English of Anne Hathaway's time lived more or less as comfortably as our American ancestors of the last century. Depending on their means they lived in houses about as nice, and ate, drank, dressed, slept and bathed with about the same frequency and quality. Their life expectancy wasn't much different, either until near the turn of the 20th century. There are a lot of myths around about daily life in other times, and because of this the truth is sometimes surprising and actually more interesting.

Hi, we have trying to find information on my husbands grandmother who was the oldest of five children living with her mother on an Indian Reservation. She married my husbands grandfather, but have no information on her. All we know is her name was Mary Findley, from Muskogee, Oklahoma. She married Artie Bay Dicus-born-9/25/1874, died 11/10/1941. They had six children, my husbands dad being the oldest. The book I have on them says that "they belong to the the Holiness Church. He moved from Kentucky to Iowa, thence to Missouri, to the Indian Territory, now Oklahoma Cattle Rancher from 1897 to 1929. also an Oil Producer, then became a farmer in Muskogee County. Okla." Any information would be appreciated. Connie Loken Dicus