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Thanks for all the help. I definitely need to look at the 1900 IT census. Unfortunately, the archives in Nashville only has the other part. Will try to order through LDS FHC. Since a Federal court was in Carter Co, Ardmore and I found a later Greener buried in an Ardmore Cemetery, that seems a good place to start. If you know of any other records that I should check please let me know. This is my first research of OK records. Greener is not a name you see often. So chances are there's a relationship! Again thanks! Renea grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L@rootsweb.com

Thanks for all of your help in finding where Minco is located. <to share with the group> Minco, In Western Grady County. Post office established June 20, 1890. The name is an Indian word meaning "Chief." this is taken from Oklahoma Place names by George Shirk There is a town called Minco in northern Grady County, Oklahoma not far from the Canadian River. At least it was there when this map was published in 1935. Ann Waite-Tepe crtepe@email.msn.com Reaching: Aldridge, Darter, Core, Holden, Ireland, Peterson, Workman, Sawyers,Taylor.

> In 1902, if a person lived in the "Indian Territory, Southern District, > Chickasaw Nation" Renea - have you had an opportunity to check out the Chickasaw Nation page? http://www.rootsweb.com/~itgenweb/ Marti I am an Angel - R U? http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ ____________________________________________ mailto:marti@rootsweb.com eCode: http://marti.eCode.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"

I have recently found out that 2 of the chiefs of the MDEWAKANTON DAKOTA TRIBE were named RED WING. My GGGrandmother's name was RED WING also. Anyone have any info on ths tribe or family name ? She was born in 1836; and later married to JOHN T. DODSON(born 1820); and resided (as far as I know;since she was in the 1870 and 1880 censuses in Rappahannock county, Virginia) in Virginia. Also any list of traders on the Mississippi River?Most Sincerely, Melodee Arruda

In 1902, Americus, Merick Greener formerly of Henderson Co, TN sells property left by his father in Henderson Co. Recorded in the Henderson Co deed book, J. S. Worthy, notary public for the southern district, Indian Territory Chickasaw nation, affirms that Americus Greener did execute the deed of sell. This is dated 24 Oct 1902. I am trying to locate anything about this Americus. He had a brother named Columbus who at the same time resided in Grayson Co, TX. Their father had died and property was being dispensed. Family story is that their grandmother was full blood Indian - Cherokee or Chickasaw. Thanks! grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L@rootsweb.com

In 1902, if a person lived in the "Indian Territory, Southern District, Chickasaw Nation" 1) Where exactly would that have been, any idea which county today? 2) Where would one find those records? 3) Would the person have been Chickasaw or married to a Chickasaw or could anyone be living there? 4) J. S. Worthy was the notary public involved, did he live / work in any particular area? Thanks! grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L@rootsweb.com

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Thank you very much for your lookup offer. I do not know what sources you have so I do not know what to leave out. Please review the following and see if there is useful info for your lookup process. Thank you again, very very much. Main names in this: Minerva "Callie" WARD / James William "Charlie" HICKEY / Oscar Daniel HICKEY, Penelope WARD / TAYLOR / MORRIS Attends school in or near the town of Tallibenela, Pontotoc Co., MS per 1860 census. So Maybe a census to start with is 1870? Minerva came with mother Penelope Catherine WARD and siblings to the IT area. Perhaps without the father who may have died before they traveled. Penelope Catherine remarried a MORRIS, but I do not know when or if he was a part of the household while Minerva was growing up, prior to her first marriage to HICKEY. I say all of this because if there is a census in IT, Minerva may be under a MORRIS household name. She may have even been married with the name of Minerva or "Callie" MORRIS….. to HICKEY. I am trying to find the marriage info on Minerva WARD and James William "Charlie" HICKEY. I am trying to find out where Minerva WARD and James William "Charlie" HICKEY lived prior to his death and how long she stayed there afterwards. I am trying to find out if there was an article written about the murder of James William "Charlie" HICKEY and where he is buried. See below for story on murder incident. I am trying to find any information about the parents of James William "Charlie" HICKEY and where they were from. I have no information beyond him. I am trying to find out if Minerva WARD and James William "Charlie" HICKEY had any other children besides Oscar Daniel HICKEY. I think there is a Sally, but not sure. She was married to James William "Charlie" Hickey 1/22/1870 or 1/11/1870. It is said they were married in Loco, Stephens Co., IT. I do not have proof! See below for info/noted on James William HICKEY. She was married to a James M Rice Gainsville Courthouse, Cooke Co. TX 6/19/1879 (I have copy of marriage certificate). She was married to J C Thurman Gainsville Courthouse, Cooke Co. TX 2/10/1886 (I have copy of marriage certificate). She was married to WL Roberts Sr. on 2/2/1882 Marriage location unknown, someone suggested Prospect, OK(?) Were they also married at the Gainsville Courthouse, TX ? It is said that in 1889, 1891 Callie/Cally and WL Roberts (4th husband) came with others during the land run from Loco, IT to homestead by Burneth, OK Territory... by Tribby, Pottawatomie Co I wonder what the Loco area census would reveal in 1870, 1880 and 1890 ( if it exists). RE: JAMES WILLIAM HICKEY It is said that James William "Charlie" HICKEY (none of the below is confirmed by me) .. .born in Mississippi per 1910 Pottawatomie Co. census ( I have not seen this information) ….died when Oscar (his son) was approx. 2 years old. Oscar Daniel Hickey b 1/5/1873 in Ardmore, IT. (I have not seen proof of this birth location) … had a possible nick name of Will, in addition to nickname of Charlie/Charley ... said to be Chickasaw, or Pottawatomie ------------ full or 1/2 ..."Don't fence me in" song was based on the range wars of that time ... Charlie was an Indian Scout for Texas Rangers. ... Was killed approximately 1879-80 during the range wars of Texas ...Charlie and Oscar took the buckboard out to work on a fence. Charlie was killed while repairing, rebuilding or building a fence by some men who rode up on horses and shot him. Oscar was with him (approximately 5-6 years old) when it happened and saw it all. Oscar ran back to the house and told his pregnant mother. They went to the neighbors house and then all went to see what happened. Oscar's father was dead. .. Oscar Daniel HICKEY had a step brother W L Roberts, and two step sisters Mrs. Jammie/Jimmie Rice (m. McClain) and Mrs Maude Thurman (m.) Anderson. I believe Oscar had a sister, Sally, who was the baby born after her father James William HICKEY was killed. _______________________________________________________ I know this is a lot of stuff. Never was good at outlines and book reports. Also, not good at knowing which info to leave in/out for genealogy beings clues and help comes from the most unexpected directions. Karen in CA

> If we are interested in accessing the information or a particular > interview we see on these papers... where might we go, or to what address > might we write for more information, and does it cost money to access > this information? Hi Karla - OKGenWeb is putting this index and many of the interviews online at http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/pioneer/pioneer.htm On these pages you will find all of the index submitted by Gay Wall (on going project) and the interviews that she and others have submitted. You will also find a list of all known facilities that house microform copies of these papers. My understanding is each facility charges a fee, if you want a hard copy of the document. Marti I am an Angel - R U? http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ ____________________________________________ mailto:marti@rootsweb.com eCode: http://marti.eCode.com Marti Graham, OKGenWeb State Coordinator & Creek, LeFlore, Oklahoma Co. Coordinator http://www.usgenweb.org/ok OKGenWeb http://www.geocities.com/heartland/flats/6878/ R U an Angel Proud RootsWeb Donor+ "Dedicated to user supported access to genealogical records on the internet"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------4DBB4B6C96D689AE164026EF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------4DBB4B6C96D689AE164026EF Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by osh5 for paulk (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sat May 15 12:03:21 1999) X-From_: MAILER-DAEMON@ametro.net Sat May 15 11:53:40 1999 Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Received: from localhost (localhost) by mail.ametro.net (8.8.8/AMC) with internal id LAA01353; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:40 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@ametro.net> Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: <199905151653.LAA01353@mail.ametro.net> To: <paulk@ametro.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="LAA01353.926787220/mail.ametro.net" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --LAA01353.926787220/mail.ametro.net The original message was received at Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:32 -0500 from osp1-20.ametro.net [209.102.184.148] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to bl-3.rootsweb.com.: >>> RCPT To:<indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com> <<< 550 <indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com>... User unknown 550 <indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com>... User unknown --LAA01353.926787220/mail.ametro.net Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.ametro.net Received-From-MTA: dns; osp1-20.ametro.net Arrival-Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:32 -0500 Final-Recipient: rfc822; indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: dns; bl-3.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 550 <indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com>... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:40 -0500 --LAA01353.926787220/mail.ametro.net Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: paulk@ametro.net Received: from ametro.net (osp1-20.ametro.net [209.102.184.148]) by mail.ametro.net (8.8.8/AMC) with ESMTP id LAA01345 for <indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com>; Sat, 15 May 1999 11:53:32 -0500 Message-ID: <373DA72F.1494FF91@ametro.net> Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 11:56:15 -0500 From: James Paulk <paulk@ametro.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: indian-Territory-Roots@rootsweb.com Subject: mary Ann MARTIN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have Mary Ann Martin b NC abt 1835 ,supposed to be Cherokee Indian, parents unknown, she m. 1st to an Attorney Mr. LeRoy, no given name, he died in 1855, she was listed as widow in Bastrop Co Tx, married 2. Lawrence Decatur Greaves of that Co 10 Sep 1856 and moved to Camp Colorado, Coleman, Tx. L. D. Greaves was first elected sheriff in Coleman Co, and county clerk. Either her mother or father were indian, but perhaps both. Some relatives were trying to locate data on this many years ago, no luck, but were checking in Oklahoma. Appreciate any clues. Thanks Mickey Paulk email paulk@ametro.net --LAA01353.926787220/mail.ametro.net-- --------------4DBB4B6C96D689AE164026EF--

Sorry, I cannot help your search. But, perhaps, you can clear up something for me. What does the term "Black Dutch" mean? My father's family called themselves Black Dutch.....is this a clue to their origin? I'd appreciate hearing from any and all on this subject. Bobbie Turner Beasley bebe@simplynet.net -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth or Julia Wilson <eggfarm@swbell.net> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, May 15, 1999 3:52 AM Subject: Quanka Tal or Tall Wolf, Ward, Pickard/Pritchard/Priddy/Pritchett,Wiley in IT >Hello all, >I am looking for information on my gr-gr grandfather, Quanka Tal or Tall >Wolf, a Cherokee, and father of Betty Pickard/Pritchard/Priddy/Pritchett, >wife of Willis Washington Ward (b.1845), parents of Julia O'Retta >Ward-Johnson-Wiley-Carter (b.Jan.11, 1881). This information comes from >oral family history. I have an elderly cousin who remembers seeing Betty >and Washington one time when he was a young boy. He tells me Washington was >part NA (maybe Choctaw) and Black Dutch and had very dark complexion. Betty >was better than 3/4 NA, her father being full blood Cherokee and her mother >half white and half Cherokee or some other NA. There were 6 other children >born to this couple. Julia's twin was Dovey Janetta Ward (married to Frank >Morton), May Ward married Henry Akers, Riller (don't know what this is short >for)married several times (Ferguson is the only one I know of) Maude Ward >married Jim Ogleman, Jeff Ward and Steve Ward. One of the boys was a banjo >player. >Julia married first to a man named Johnson. She was carrying his child when >he was killed and lost the child. She then married William Martin Wiley of >Polk Co., AR and they had 5 children. William Jackson Wiley (my >grandfather), Roy Abe Wiley, (changed his name to Mike), Corneilous Toke >Wiley, (the Toke was named after one of Julia's family members. We called >him "Neely") Carrie Alice Wiley, (married J.T. "Perry" Winters) and Jess >Wiley. Wm. was mean to Julia and she believed he would kill her, so she >took the kids and left, walking 20 miles to Mena, AR. She then married >Frank Carter and they moved back to IT, with her children and they had 2 >children, Tom and Flora Carter. I believe Flora married a Metcalf and they >moved to Oregon or Washington State. >My cousin said Betty and Washington Ward lived near Lone Wolf when they >went to see them. He was in the Masonic Lodge and was a Grand Master at one >time. I would appreciate anything anyone knows about this family. >Thanks, >Julia Cox-Wilson > >

Where do I look for birth, death, marriage, murders/crimes, newspapers, and cencus information in the IT during the periods of 1830 - 1920 ? Karen in CA

Well Karen, take heart. I've been looking for one of mine for the past 30 years and just this week found someone else who was familiar with the same family story. Haven't really found this guy yet, but if I made the story up so did Dee. It gives me great comfort. I have another that probably was dropped by aliens. Just don't give up, you never know when the info will come. Good Luck Mary Lou MRosson178@aol.com

With all this well documented and well researched PORTER information I am reading why is it that one Louisa Burton PORTER doesn't exist for onyone but me.? Surely there is at least one other person that know of her. To the "one other person" please contact me. Louisa Burton PORTER married Samuel Smith HUGHES possibly in TX or IT. She died abt 1898. Please, please someone let me hear from you. I have been searching for info on her for 5 years now and have not gained any information in that length of time. She is my gggrandmother. Karen in CA

Hello all, I am looking for information on my gr-gr grandfather, Quanka Tal or Tall Wolf, a Cherokee, and father of Betty Pickard/Pritchard/Priddy/Pritchett, wife of Willis Washington Ward (b.1845), parents of Julia O'Retta Ward-Johnson-Wiley-Carter (b.Jan.11, 1881). This information comes from oral family history. I have an elderly cousin who remembers seeing Betty and Washington one time when he was a young boy. He tells me Washington was part NA (maybe Choctaw) and Black Dutch and had very dark complexion. Betty was better than 3/4 NA, her father being full blood Cherokee and her mother half white and half Cherokee or some other NA. There were 6 other children born to this couple. Julia's twin was Dovey Janetta Ward (married to Frank Morton), May Ward married Henry Akers, Riller (don't know what this is short for)married several times (Ferguson is the only one I know of) Maude Ward married Jim Ogleman, Jeff Ward and Steve Ward. One of the boys was a banjo player. Julia married first to a man named Johnson. She was carrying his child when he was killed and lost the child. She then married William Martin Wiley of Polk Co., AR and they had 5 children. William Jackson Wiley (my grandfather), Roy Abe Wiley, (changed his name to Mike), Corneilous Toke Wiley, (the Toke was named after one of Julia's family members. We called him "Neely") Carrie Alice Wiley, (married J.T. "Perry" Winters) and Jess Wiley. Wm. was mean to Julia and she believed he would kill her, so she took the kids and left, walking 20 miles to Mena, AR. She then married Frank Carter and they moved back to IT, with her children and they had 2 children, Tom and Flora Carter. I believe Flora married a Metcalf and they moved to Oregon or Washington State. My cousin said Betty and Washington Ward lived near Lone Wolf when they went to see them. He was in the Masonic Lodge and was a Grand Master at one time. I would appreciate anything anyone knows about this family. Thanks, Julia Cox-Wilson

KARLA wrote: "If we are interested in accessing the information or a particular interview we see on these papers... where might we go, or to what address might we write for more information, and does it cost money to access this information?" Karla- The Indian and Pioneer Interviews -- 110 volumes (about 700 pages per volume), are available in Oklahoma City, and on microfilm and microfiche at several repositories in the state. There is no cost for reading them- copies usually cost about .25 from film. Muskogee library has them, as well as The John Vaughn Library on the grounds of the college at Tahlequah. I know there are more, but these are the ones that I am sure of having them. jc

If we are interested in accessing the information or a particular interview we see on these papers... where might we go, or to what address might we write for more information, and does it cost money to access this information? Thank you Karla Shahan Tulsa, Oklahoma

> From:"Bobbie Beasley" <bebe@simplynet.net> > To:Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com > > Sorry, I cannot help your search. But, perhaps, you can clear up > something > for me. What does the term "Black Dutch" mean? My father's family > called > themselves Black Dutch.....is this a clue to their origin? > I'd appreciate hearing from any and all on this subject. > Bobbie Turner Beasley Well, I've come across the term before and looked it up. It can mean two things. One, I read somwhere that during the various times over the centuries that the Jews have been persecuted, a goodly number of Jewish merchants that were doing business in Holland would survive by converting and marrying into Dutch families. Their decendents were on the whole a little darker than the average dutch and that term was used sometimes. Another use was by some families of mixed Native American/White, Black/White or Native American/Black/White ancestory that decided to pass as White and used this term if anybody asked about their ancestory. Sometimes they would use black Irish, too. Robbie Robinson