Hi I am doing research of Downing, Buffington, Vann and Allen of Oklahoma Indian Territory . Would appreciate hearing from anyone on these names. Walsie

. We want to know who we >are. We want to know our ancestors. I am proud to be who I am: >Georgia Aeverman > Georgia, I think you are very right. Most of us get into genealogy to find out ABOUT or MORE ABOUT the people who have gone on before us. Personally, I only had a few family members,aunts,uncles, etc. that I actually knew but since getting into genealogy I have found that I have LOTS of relatives! Researched some of them until I feel like I personally knew them and just can't wait to find the next one. I am researching DOBSON, ADKINS, ATKINSON,TERRY, CHANCELLOR, SALADIN and MORRIS, all in Indian Territory ( mostly in what is now Hughes county and Pittsburg county) before or around 1900. Any help finding my next relative? Would love to meet new cousins out there and exchange information. June Terry Johnson Oklahoma aggran@chickasaw.com

(sorry-- I should have added this) 1900 Soundex for Indian Territory is on microfilm series T1082 1900 census for Indian Territory is on microfilm series T623, by Indian Nation. jc > You are right, Jerri, they do not own the 1900 IT. Are you agreeing that it > is available ? So you have access to it? Is it on soundex? > Thanks, > Renea

You are right, Jerri, they do not own the 1900 IT. Are you agreeing that it is available ? So you have access to it? Is it on soundex? Thanks, Renea grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerri (Rogers) Chasteen <jerri@cherokee.net> To: Renea Burkholder <grburk@usit.net> Cc: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 4:39 PM Subject: Re: IT census for 1900 >Renea- >You are talking about what they own. > >The microfilm can be rented through most any public or LDS library in the >United States. It usually takes a couple of weeks to get, and usually costs >$3.50 for a month to rent. Just ask at the desk. > >jc >~~ > >> I was told that this census is available on microfilm. Unfortunately, the >> TN State Library and Archives has the 1900 census for the OK Territory >> portion only. They have not acquired the portion for the IT. > >

It is available Yes- there is a Soundex I do have it, but (unfortunately) there are not enough hours in the day for me to volunteer to do lookups. As you well know-- that can get very involved! jc > You are right, Jerri, they do not own the 1900 IT. Are you agreeing that it > is available ? So you have access to it? Is it on soundex? > Thanks, > Renea

Renea- You are talking about what they own. The microfilm can be rented through most any public or LDS library in the United States. It usually takes a couple of weeks to get, and usually costs $3.50 for a month to rent. Just ask at the desk. jc ~~ > I was told that this census is available on microfilm. Unfortunately, the > TN State Library and Archives has the 1900 census for the OK Territory > portion only. They have not acquired the portion for the IT.

I was told that this census is available on microfilm. Unfortunately, the TN State Library and Archives has the 1900 census for the OK Territory portion only. They have not acquired the portion for the IT. Hopefully they will soon. Does anyone on the list have access to this 1900 IT census? I desperately need a look up. Perhaps I can trade for a lookup on TN census. Renea grburk@usit.net TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Decatur Co, TN http://www.netease.net/decatur TNGenWeb County Coordinator for Perry Co, TN http://www.netease.net/perry Listowner Decatur, Henderson, Perry Cos, TN TNDECATU-L@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: BDSL8@aol.com <BDSL8@aol.com> To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, June 07, 1999 1:16 AM Subject: IT census for 1900 >Can anyone tell me if there is a 1900 census for Indian Territory? Does >anyone have access to it, if it exists, or can you tell me how I can get a >copy? I'm looking for GAYLOR, GUNTER, JENNINGS, REAVES AND LOWERY. I'm pretty >new at this and I could really use some help. >Thank you, Brenda S. > >

Maybe I have been wrong as well. This is Indian Territory List so I am told and I would be very concerned if a large number of people weren't looking for their ancestry. However, I do not have any Indian ancestry for the time frame of Indian Territory but my family lived here all the same. It is not Indian or Native American list. If it is, please unsubscribe me for this list couldn't help me. Harvey -----Original Message----- From: Indian-Territory-Roots-L-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:Indian-Territory-Roots-L-request@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ACharlieBe@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 07, 1999 3:14 PM To: Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Indian Ancestry I think it is interesting that you are on a list that is trying to track their Native American, OR Indian ancestry (which ever you prefer). Me thinks maybe you might have gotten the wrong List? Any way Most of us that are working in finding our ancestry are not doing it to prove anything. I myself qualify to be DAR (I am not) I qualify to be In the Cherokee First Families (I am not) and descend from the King of Scotland (like that is going to get me any place). But mostly I am from hard working freedom loving farmers that gave up life family and land to follow their dreams. And even some had their freedom and dreams destroyed by the very ones that came here to gain that freedom. And I am proud to be who I am and the Heritage I can claim. I wish to live a life that my ancestors will be as proud of me as I am of them. Saying all that I am still Looking for my Harmon's and Wicked or Wicket's. Jim Harmon born abt 1824 married Margaret or Peggy Wicket born abt 1827 , they lived in the Sallisaw and Brent IT, raised children, John, Milley, Sarah, Jim JR, Jesse, Mary, Charles, Lisa, and Peggy. I think Peggy m: a Cowand. and Jesse m: Mary Holms, And Sarah m; Isaac Ussery. Wado Charlene

Jim, You have a point there. And, to a degree, I agree with you. However, I want to be who I am. If that includes Indian blood, I want to know. If it includes German, Irish, Swedish, etc, I want to know. I think that is the drive behind genealogy searches in the first place. We want to know who we are. We want to know our ancestors. I am proud to be who I am: Heinz 57. Georgia Aeverman

To Jim who asked "why does anyone want to be an Indian?" For avid genealogy researcher's, its not "wanting to be" DAR, Indian, Royalty, etc., its just finding those ancestor's. We just want to know the people that have made us what we are today, and why we ended up being born where we were, etc. Some even want to know for health reasons. I also have a love for history, and there are certainly many lessons in that area to be found in genealogy research. I also have many Rev. War ancestors, but I am not interested in becoming DAR, and I'm not. Nor am I interested in claiming royalty. I do love to tell of the "Black Sheep" members of my ancestry - of which there are many. Their stories are the most interesting - and they were not famous for their deeds. I don't want any of my present relatives to start getting smug (can't do anything about the dead ones!) I look at the names of those Native Americans listed in "Cherokee Emigration Records" and wonder about the stories behind the names they were given, and I'm sure there is a story with each one. It is sad that we don't have the records to let us know. What kind of a life would someone have being named: "Evil Spirit", "Big Mush", "Bird's Bill", "Cramp", "Going Along", "Human Tracking", "Spring Frog", "Striped Lizard", "The Dog's In Him", "The Naked Man", "Dreadful Water",and "Scattered Meat". These were all real people, with homes and lands and families, who were ousted from those lands and sent west. One of my sons looked at a circular pedigree chart I printed out for him, and remarked, "It took all those people just to make me!!" That sums it up pretty good. Donna

Easy now!

Like some of the others I also am proud of my Indian (Creek) heritage. Unfortunately, one cannot always tell of their feelings of pride for the ridicule that is bound to be handed out from those who think otherwise. It was the same for me when I proudly served in the Navy 1971-1976 and couldn't where my uniform in the states because of the hatred our citizens (not all) held for the armed forces. Daryl Brown tbrown@ionet.net

Hello, Helping a friend with family history research, she is looking for information on the following folks: Harlen THOMPSON b. 1889? OKT or IT?, d. 1979 Bonners Ferry, ID m. Ethel RICE abt 1909?, Ethel d. abt 1919? Their children: Pearl Thompson b.Feb 7, 1910 m. Virgil B.GENTRY Olen Thompson Marie Thompson Harlen is thought to be part Cherokee, Chipawa, Ojibwa??, He was a sheriff of Chickasha, OK (Grady Co), so being in Chickasaw Nation could also possible be Chickasaw?? States he was a Powder Monkey also. Not much to go on, any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Gay t31892@nidlink.com

Jim, I am just as proud of my Scottish, Enlish, Irish, and German heritage as I am of my Indian. All of them combined are part of my history. Myrvin

I think it is interesting that you are on a list that is trying to track their Native American, OR Indian ancestry (which ever you prefer). Me thinks maybe you might have gotten the wrong List? Any way Most of us that are working in finding our ancestry are not doing it to prove anything. I myself qualify to be DAR (I am not) I qualify to be In the Cherokee First Families (I am not) and descend from the King of Scotland (like that is going to get me any place). But mostly I am from hard working freedom loving farmers that gave up life family and land to follow their dreams. And even some had their freedom and dreams destroyed by the very ones that came here to gain that freedom. And I am proud to be who I am and the Heritage I can claim. I wish to live a life that my ancestors will be as proud of me as I am of them. Saying all that I am still Looking for my Harmon's and Wicked or Wicket's. Jim Harmon born abt 1824 married Margaret or Peggy Wicket born abt 1827 , they lived in the Sallisaw and Brent IT, raised children, John, Milley, Sarah, Jim JR, Jesse, Mary, Charles, Lisa, and Peggy. I think Peggy m: a Cowand. and Jesse m: Mary Holms, And Sarah m; Isaac Ussery. Wado Charlene

Jim, Your attitude matches that of the type of people that made my Grandparents ashamed to be "Breeds" If your so down on people who rejoice in our diversity why are you on this list? Gregg

I'm sure this is off topic and will get "nipped in the bud" soon, but I have to add my two cents worth. Mary, I'm happy that your grand-daughter would be proud to say "I am Cherokee". I am Choctaw. I've known that and been proud to say it since I was a very small child. Knowing your are "Indian" is an issue of "pride". Being proud of who you are, and what your ancestors did in their lives. It's not a BIG deal to anyone who doesn't have that pride. But to us who do, it is a very BIG deal. My Grandfather wasn't a famous Chief, but I'm proud to his have his blood because he was my Grandpa. It's like the quote goes: "If I have to explain (being Indian), you wouldn't understand!" I guess it's just a "red" thing. :) Shelley

Hi Charlene - My name is Darla Sander and I too am researching our family name of Harmon. Maybe we are related. Do you have a James Ellis Harmon in your family names? Hope to hear from you soon. Darla ----- Original Message ----- From: <ACharlieBe@aol.com> To: <Indian-Territory-Roots-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 1999 7:48 AM Subject: Missing mail > I don't know what happened but I have not been receiving the list. And have > missed all of you. I just re-subscribed. I hope that was the right thing to > do. If not someone please let me know. I am Looking for Wicketts or > Wicked's and Harmon's, at the present time. > Wado > Charlene

> > > Why in the world do some people want to be kin > to an Indian? Over the years I've seen people > want to get into the DAR or the Mayflower bunch > or some other "status" group and it has turned > me off. > > So what's the big deal with having > an Indian in your "closet". > > Jim No BIG deal, just interesting. I have no Indian ancestry, but my husband does. I "search" on occasion for several reasons. Reason No. 1: Lived in Tulsa, OK for many, many years. I'm a native Texan. My oldest daughter, while in the first grade, was told to check on her "ancestry" and report back on the next day. She was startled to learn that she was part Cherokee. We figured out the percentages as best we could and sent her off to school with the information. She returned home the next day intensely pleased. Seems that she was the only child in a group of approximately 30 that had an Indian ancestor. I naively told this to a native Oklahomian (sp?) who nearly died laughing. She looked at me (guess I had a baffled look on my face) and told me that in OK you could just about count on 50 percent of all children in any class being part Indian. There was simply a time in which you did not admit this and old habits were rather hard to break. Reason No. 2: I now have a 13 year old Granddaughter who learned a couple of years ago that she was part Cherokee. I laughingly told her that we should attempt to "prove" her Cherokee citizenship and see if she was in line for any basic hunting, fishing, gathering, etc. rights for "as long as the river flows, the grass is green, etc. etc." Sorry, but I'm not really up on this type of history. Just know that some tribes did retain certain rights, and it was a small joke with her, as it were. Then a year ago the small community in which I live, and which is on the water, put up a sign that "no fishing" was allowed. My son spent some of the happiest days of his childhood fishing at that site ( and then throwing the fish back in ). Indignantly I told my daughter and granddaughter about this situation. Granddaughter inquired if I was making any progress in the proof of her Cherokee ancestry. Answer was NO, but I asked her why she was really interested. If she found out she were part Cherokee what difference would it make? She told me, and she meant it, that she would attempt to get an official "Cherokee Citizen" document, she would check if she did have hunting and fishing rights, etc. in the local area and if she did that she would then go down to the water in my community, fishing pole in hand, line in the water with no real hook or bait, (she's a vegetarian) and she would wait for a policeman to come along and say "You can't fish here." She would then look at him, and while pulling out her proof of Cherokee citizenship say "YES I CAN! I'M A CHEROKEE!" Regards, Mary Rae

The 1860 census did not list relationships to the head of household, as the later census did. But their ages and places of birth might be a clue. jc Daryl Brown wrote: > I know I am not very smart so need to have someone explain the following to > me. I know that Isaac and Sophie are man and wife but don't know what the > other two are. Pllease give this ignorant man a hand. > Daryl Brown > tbrown@ionet.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > Another URL (Whites LIving in the Indian Territory - At the end of the Yell > County AR > Census): > > Cherokee Nation Chikasaw Nation Choctaw Nation Part 1 A-C > > Choctaw Nation D-G Choctaw Nation H-L Choctaw Nation M-Y > > Creek Nation Pt 1 A-H Creek Nation Part 2 I-Y Seminole > Nation > > 1861 > > _OK1149 Riley, Abraham > OK1149 Riley, Americus > OK1149 Riley, Isaac > OK1149 Riley, Sophia