Hi Does anyone have the cd with the numbers: Ralph Raymond Roberson# 1325 Jasper C. Roberson# 24969 Calab S. Roberson# 16791 I wopuld appreciate any information on these names and their families, if anyone can help.Where they were from? Children's names? Thanks Earline Smith [email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I am sorry but maybe have not made myself clear. Austin Rider was born in 1785 and died in 1835 shortly after arriving in IT. He never made it onto any roles because he died before the the 1851 Drennen Role. I think that he was white. His wife was Mary Jane Starr [she had Cherokee blood] and their Daughter Nancy Rider married David Thompson. Thompson was white. He went west in 1834 but his wife and three of his six children died shortly after they arrived in IT. In about 1837 he and the 3 remaining children returned east and moved to Ga where he died and I am told married the second time. I am interested in finding out if Austin is white because it changes the blood degree of his children and grandchildren and ect. He was born in VA so David Keith Hamptons book says. I have The Starr book History of the Cherokee Indians and Hamptoms boon on the Des of Nancy Ward. I thought that maybe someone might know about a book on these two families before the move west. There is Riders on the 1787 tax roll of VA but they but there is very little infro there. The Nail search did not give me much because it is all on men who were on the later rolls. These two men married Indian ladies and think that they were the first whites these lines to marry indians. David Thompson was originaly fron North Carolina. His son Caleb Starr Thompson did not go to IT till 1881. Thanks to all who tried to help me. It is the real early history of these men that I am interested in. I have a lot of later information on the families. Thanks. Glee

Willora Glee Krapf wrote: <snip>"-- I am interested in finding out if Austin (Rider) is white because it changes the blood degree of his children and grandchildren and etc. " George Morrison Bell spent many years in Cherokee research and took the history of some of these families a step further than Starr did in "History of the Cherokee Indians". Bell authored "Genealogy of Old and New Cherokee Indian Families", but it is now a rare book and hard to find. On page 340 he lists Austin Rider as being "of English and Scotch Irish descent", so I will agree with Mr. Hampton's assessment that he was "white". Since Mary Pauline Starr was only a quarter-blood, that would make their children 1/8th Cherokee. Bell lists eleven children for them- including four; Ezekiel, Bluford West, William and Ellis, who died before adulthood. The only information that he had listed for Nannie was that she had married David Thompson. Regards jc

My name is James Brown and I try to get some information on my great grandmother Caroline Pearl? Wilson. As far as I know Caroline was born on March 17th 1892 near Lindsay (Erin Springs?) Indian Territory to Rebecca Wilson (maidenname Kitchens) from Texas who was supposed to be American Indian and James Wilson from Ireland. Caroline also was supposed to have a roll number. I don't know much about her parents Rebecca and James. It seems Rebecca was born in Texas (Rebecca Pearl? Kitchens) and married -if correct- James Wilson on April 16th 1882 in Cooke County, Texas. James Wilson was scotch/irish , served during the Civil War for the Union and was married before in Arkansas and there were Jim, John, Alice and Viola and another girl they sent to Norman,OK (because she was epileptic) with his first family. Rebecca and James had three children. William Wilson was born in 1884, my great grandmother Caroline in 1892 and Bryan Wilson in 1895. Rebecca died during Bryans birth. She is supposed to be buried in Potawotamie County, OK. All three are named in the 1910 Census. The census reads: Grady County, Harrison Township, Enumerator is James Mosley, Supervisors District no. 5, Enumeration District no. 103, Sheet no. 7 B - William Wilson as head married with wife Pearl E. and 2 daughters and 1 son, Caroline Wilson as sister, single and Bryan Wilson as orphan. I don't know what happened to my great great grandfather James Wilson. He is not named in this census. Caroline was married to Columbus Coleman Brown at Sandy Grove School, Grady County, on July 30th 1911 by John Wilson as Justice of Peace and Mrs. Anderson or Andrews as a witness. They had 4 children. Cleo Coleman Brown was born June 29th, 1912, Garland O'Bryan Brown born July 25th 1914, James Benjamin Brown born June 11th 1921 and Ruth Pearl Brown born December 16th 1928. My information is that Caroline died October 29th 1941 and is buried in Washington, McClain County and Columbus died December 15th 1965 and is also buried in Washington, McClain County, OK. Any help with this family would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you [email protected]

Hi, Jeri, I have my own computer now and a new addy, so I will be unsubbing for now. Will miss this site til I can get subbed again. Toni

Does anyone on this list know if Austin Rider had any Indian blood in him? I have his parents names but no dates or other information. Anyone have names, dates and places of his brothers, sisters and parents? His daughter married David Thompson and understand that he was married again after his wife died. Need name of his second wife and their children if he had any with her also the dates and places too. Got my infromation from "Decendants of Nancy Ward" by David Hampton. This book is great just does not go far enought for what I need. Thanks, Glee

Ardmore was part of the Chickasaw Nation, and also was the seat of the southern district federal court in those years. My grandpa married in the Chickasaw Nation in 1899, and the license was on file in the microfilm court records I found at the Mormon Family History Center in Mesa, AZ. The original records might be still held at Ardmore, but I don't know that for fact. At one place or the other, you might be able to find the actual record of the marriage. The 1900 Federal census might show a record of your grandpa if he was in Indian Territoy at that time. You can use the soundex system to check for his name in that census within the Indian Territory, any place that has the microfilm of the census records. > Subject: [IT ROOTS] looking for johnson > > i am wondering if ardmore ok is in indian terr my great grandap came from there in 1902 and married my grandma in 1903 amd got killed in1904 his parents were henry and molly johnson thank u --- James Davis --- [email protected] --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

clumbsy wrote: i am wondering if ardmore ok is in indian terr my great grandap came from there in 1902 and married my grandma in 1903 amd got killed in1904 his parents were henry and molly johnson thank u. ~~~ Ardmore is the county seat of Carter County, and it was in the Chickasaw Nation of Indian Territory. jc

YES, PRIOR TO STATEHOOD IN 1907 ARDMORE WAS IN THE CHICKASAW INDIAN NATION, INDIAN TERRITORY. ----- Original Message ----- From: clumbsy3017 <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 6:34 PM Subject: [IT ROOTS] looking for johnson > i am wondering if ardmore ok is in indian terr my great grandap came from there in 1902 and married my grandma in 1903 amd got killed in1904 his parents were henry and molly johnson thank u > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > >

i am wondering if ardmore ok is in indian terr my great grandap came from there in 1902 and married my grandma in 1903 amd got killed in1904 his parents were henry and molly johnson thank u

Didn;t the Delaware Indians "buy into" the Cherokee Tribe as did the Shawnees--at least the Shawnees known as the ":Loyal Shawnees). ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerri Chasteen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [IT ROOTS] Indian Reservations in Oklahoma > Dee - > You may have seen a sign; "Cherokee NATION", but none of the Five Civilized > Tribes had reservations in Indian Territory - ever. We were (and are yet > again) sovereign Indian nations. > > The "reservations" of some of the OK Territory tribes were abolished by the > Dawes Commission prior to statehood in 1907. (see map: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/maps/ok1889.gif) > > jc > > Dee wrote: > > > I am reading a book entitled, The Delaware Indians, a History" by C. > > A. Weslager. He has written 25 books dealing with the American Indian > > occupatin of the Delaware River Valley. > > > > I am trying to interpret on p.9 of this book a statement > > "There are no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, and these > > Oklahoma-Delawares no longer exist as a self-contained tribal group as > > do some 400,000 other American indians living on government > > reservations in 26 states. In 1907 along with other Indians settled > > in former Indian Territory, the Delawares became American citizens int > > he newlyformed state of Oklahoma." > > > > My question: > > > > Are there no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, period? > > For some reason I thought there was. I thought when we drove thru > > Oklahoma state in 1992, I saw a sign saying "Cherokee Reservation." > > > > Truly uninformed, > > And wish to be informed, > > Dee Randall > > Shenandoah Valley, VA > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > > ______________________________

Hi-- The sign you must have seen was Cherokee Nation capitol of which is Tahlequah, Oklahoma. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dee <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: [IT ROOTS] Indian Reservations in Oklahoma > I am reading a book entitled, The Delaware Indians, a History" by C. > A. Weslager. He has written 25 books dealing with the American Indian > occupatin of the Delaware River Valley. > > I am trying to interpret on p.9 of this book a statement > "There are no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, and these > Oklahoma-Delawares no longer exist as a self-contained tribal group as > do some 400,000 other American indians living on government > reservations in 26 states. In 1907 along with other Indians settled > in former Indian Territory, the Delawares became American citizens int > he newlyformed state of Oklahoma." > > My question: > > Are there no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, period? > For some reason I thought there was. I thought when we drove thru > Oklahoma state in 1992, I saw a sign saying "Cherokee Reservation." > > Truly uninformed, > And wish to be informed, > Dee Randall > Shenandoah Valley, VA > > ______________________________

I have in-laws who moved from Ft. Worth, Tarrant Co.,TX after Sep 1888 to Indian Territory, OK before Mar 1890. I do not know where they were in OK but think they went there for the land runs going on about that time. They were still there in May 1897. Oscar Allen Rudolph (BULLOCK or CLARK), he used either one, married on 30 Aug 1887 in Wise Co.,TX to Mississippi Belle BULLOCK, (nee CASTLEMAN) widow of Licugas F. BULLOCK who had died in 1885 in TX. They had 4 small children who I asume went to OK with their mother and new step-father. Families are as follows: (All the info I have) 1st Family: Licugas F. BULLOCK, b. 24 Dec 1852 in TX, d. 1885 in Eastland, Eastland Co.,TX married 1879 (where ??) Mississippi Belle CASTLEMAN, she b. 18 Apr 1861 in Tippah Co.,MS., d. 1930 in TX ??. Their Children: 1. Aaron Lenard BULLOCK, b. 29 Sep 1880 in Cisco,Eastland, TX. m. Lenora ???. He d. 1952. 2.Roxie Maie BULLOCK, b. 15 Jul 1882 in Pella,Wise,TX, m.Robert Charles McCOURTIE 17 Nov 1906. She d. May 1918. 3. Leona Elizabeth BULLOCK, b. 16 Nov 1884 in Pella,Wise,TX, m. Ben Perkins in 1908. 4. Azolie BULLOCK, b. 1886 in Bowie, Montague, TX. d. 1937 2nd Family: Oscar Allen Rudolph (BULLOCK) (CLARK), (BorC), son of A. C. BULLOCK and Martha Hunter, b. 25 Feb 1847 and d. 1898 in Archer City, Archer Co.,TX. Married 30 August 1887 in Wise Co.,TX (Bullock or Clark??) to Licugas's widow. Oscar and Belle's children: 1. Beulah Inez ( B or C). b. 3 Sep 1888 in Ft.Worth, Tarrant,TX, m. Walter ??? Jan 1906. She d. 7 Jun 1950. 2. Nancy Price (B or C), b. 23 Mar 1890 in Indian Territory, OK. m. Ty J. Kennedy and she d. 1952. 3. John Clarence Jerome BULLOCK, he used this name, b. 10 Apr1892 in Indian Territory, OK, m. Carrie Leda Stoutt in TX. He died in Tucson, AZ 1 Dec 1957. NOTES: Her best friend Minnie Lee CROSS was still living around Cumby, TX in the middle 1950's. Carrie died on Mother's day in 1940 leaving two children. She died in Clarendon or Memphis, TX. They had friends/relatives living near there, "on the caprock", maybe their name was Burruss. Clarence cowboyed and had worked on the JA Ranch in that area, also on a ranch NW of Amarillo, TX. In the 1929-1931 time frame they lived in/around Muleshoe, Bailey, TX where two children were born: Clinton Harrison and Marie Jo, whom I married in 1952. 4. Althea G. Bullock (she used this name), b. 13 May 1897 in Indian Territory, OK. m. Tolbert W. Burruss in Oct 1919, he a dispatcher on the railroad. She d. 2 Sep 1968. I need to know lots of things, but mostly: IF A.C. Bullock & Martha Hunter were the parents of Oscar Allen Rudolph (B or C)----where did the CLARK name come from?? Was she his mother by a prior marriage?? Notice he was older (1847-1852) than Belle's first husband, Licugas. Brothers??? Any help on where they lived, worked, went to school, church or anything else in OK will be very much appreciated as will any TX information I can get. Does anyone know how/where I can get the info I need, especially the OK references??? Thanks very much for your time reading this. Bill Barnette, living in Tucson,AZ but "home" in WV.

Hi. I would like to know if anyone would have web-sites for Morrow cemetary Neshoba Co. Ms. Any information Thanks Much Earline Smith<[email protected] _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi all: i wish to give you who are celebrating Hannaka or Christmas at this time, or, just enjoying our holiday season, my best. And, a happy, healthy and prosperous NEW YEAR to all. Sandi Carter

Dee - You may have seen a sign; "Cherokee NATION", but none of the Five Civilized Tribes had reservations in Indian Territory - ever. We were (and are yet again) sovereign Indian nations. The "reservations" of some of the OK Territory tribes were abolished by the Dawes Commission prior to statehood in 1907. (see map: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okgenweb/maps/ok1889.gif) jc Dee wrote: > I am reading a book entitled, The Delaware Indians, a History" by C. > A. Weslager. He has written 25 books dealing with the American Indian > occupatin of the Delaware River Valley. > > I am trying to interpret on p.9 of this book a statement > "There are no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, and these > Oklahoma-Delawares no longer exist as a self-contained tribal group as > do some 400,000 other American indians living on government > reservations in 26 states. In 1907 along with other Indians settled > in former Indian Territory, the Delawares became American citizens int > he newlyformed state of Oklahoma." > > My question: > > Are there no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, period? > For some reason I thought there was. I thought when we drove thru > Oklahoma state in 1992, I saw a sign saying "Cherokee Reservation." > > Truly uninformed, > And wish to be informed, > Dee Randall > Shenandoah Valley, VA > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected]

I am reading a book entitled, The Delaware Indians, a History" by C. A. Weslager. He has written 25 books dealing with the American Indian occupatin of the Delaware River Valley. I am trying to interpret on p.9 of this book a statement "There are no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, and these Oklahoma-Delawares no longer exist as a self-contained tribal group as do some 400,000 other American indians living on government reservations in 26 states. In 1907 along with other Indians settled in former Indian Territory, the Delawares became American citizens int he newlyformed state of Oklahoma." My question: Are there no Indian reservations in Oklahoma, period? For some reason I thought there was. I thought when we drove thru Oklahoma state in 1992, I saw a sign saying "Cherokee Reservation." Truly uninformed, And wish to be informed, Dee Randall Shenandoah Valley, VA

Thanks so much for the information on Buck I.T. Now I can see if I can find the family on the census. Sharolyn

Sharolyn McCoy wrote: "Does anyone know where Buck or Bock Indian Territory was located?" Buck was a postoffice in the part of the Choctaw Nation that became Pittsburg County OK. It was 2 miles east of Krebs and about 5 miles east of McAlester. The community was also known as Buck Junction. jc

Marietta Frazier was born in "Buck" or "Bock" Indian Territory in the early 1900's. Does anyone know where Buck or Bock was? Her father was Bert Frazier and her mother was Noila Patterson. Noila had a sister named Ethel Patterson. Would appreciate any help. I can't find a settlement or town by this name. Thank you. http://community.webtv.net/Sharolyn/JamesPoole