Bill said "<snip> --supposed to have to be in the Indian Territory during the period 1888 - 1900" Bill, have you looked at the 1900 census Soundex for both Indian and Oklahoma Territories? jc

HELP !!! Can anyone tell me where to find out about the work permits people were supposed to have to be in the Indian Territory during the period 1888 - 1900 ?? Or the census or tax records, school records or ANY records for that period ?? I have three people in the line I'm researching who were born in Indian Territory and do NOT know which COUNTY it is now. I suspect they just got born there to frustrate me. Ho Well it sure did work. Two older children: Aaron Lenard BULLOCK & Roxie Maie BULLOCK may have been in school. Three children: 1. Nancy Price BULLOCK, b. 23 March 1890, 2. John Clarence Jerome BULLOCK, b. 10 April 1892, 3. Althea G. BULLOCK, b. 13 May 1897. The family lived in Ft. Worth, Tarrant Co.,TX just before they went there and moved back to TX somewhere just afterward. Any help will be greatly appreciated. On a previous query a responder told me about the work permit requirement. Someone, somewhere must have some records, I'd sure like to know who and where, then how can I get them or see them. Thanks for your time. Bill Barnette, Tucson, AZ. [email protected] Family of: Oscar Allen Rudolph BULLOCK & Mississippi Belle CASTLEMAN

HELP !!! Can anyone tell me where to find out about the work permits people were supposed to have to be in the Indian Territory during the period 1888 - 1900 ?? Or the census or tax records, school records or ANY records for that period ?? I have three people in the line I'm researching who were born in Indian Territory and do NOT know which COUNTY it is now. I suspect they just got born there to frustrate me. Ho Well it sure did work. Two older children: Aaron Lenard BULLOCK & Roxie Maie BULLOCK may have been in school. Three children: 1. Nancy Price BULLOCK, b. 23 March 1890, 2. John Clarence Jerome BULLOCK, b. 10 April 1892, 3. Althea G. BULLOCK, b. 13 May 1897. The family lived in Ft. Worth, Tarrant Co.,TX just before they went there and moved back to TX somewhere just afterward. Any help will be greatly appreciated. On a previous query a responder told me about the work permit requirement. Someone, somewhere must have some records, I'd sure like to know who and where, then how can I get them or see them. Thanks for your time. Bill Barnette, Tucson, AZ. [email protected]

--part1_4e.113f204d.27b56259_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is another source for researching Indians in Indian Territory. It is found at Ancestry.com Nebraska Pawnee Scouts, 1861-69 [Subscribers Only] Description: As former "Indian Territory" Nebraska still had many Native American residents during the American Civil War. A number of these Indians volunteered to aid Union forces operating from the territory. This database is a list of these men and was compiled from records kept by the Adjutant General of the state. In addition to providing such information as residence and assigned unit, researchers will find both the scout's English and Indian name. To those seeking information about Native Americans from Nebraska between 1861 and 1869, this can be a helpful collection. Source Information: Debra Graden. Pawnee Scouts of Nebraska. Orem, UT: Ancestry, Inc., 1999. --part1_4e.113f204d.27b56259_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (rly-zb02.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.2]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:57:37 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by rly-zb02.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:56:58 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f18Htn024996; Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:55:49 -0800 Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 09:55:49 -0800 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Thu Feb 8 09:55:49 2001 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 12:55:35 EST Old-To: :[email protected] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10501 Subject: [IT ROOTS] Burns, Haney,Murphy Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/6529 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] im looking for a Mattie Alice Burns her mothers last name is Haney Mattie m Wiley E Murphy in 1891 in lauderdale alabama thank you Lori Ann [email protected] ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] --part1_4e.113f204d.27b56259_boundary--

Help Please:>))) Can any of you tell me if History of the Cherokee Indians-Old Families and their Genealogy by Emmet Starr is the same as History of the Cherokee Indians-Their Legends and Folk Lore.. also by Emmet Starr I know there is different publication dates just don't know if this is a reprint. Thank Susan Earnheart Terrell

To the person(s) who were searching for HANEY relatives and ancestors. We have listed a small cemetery in Tulsa County, Oklahoma, which at one time was part of Indian territory. This cemetery has several HANEYs buried there. The cemetery is called "Covey/Rosencutter Cemetery". Our website is: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kinfolkkorner Happy hunting, and good luck! Susan Strain<>< [email protected]

Does anyone know of any of these families in the Choctaw, nation? I am trying to find my ancestors, and they are of Choctaw blood. KRIEGER, and SMITH. how would I find information on these names. thank you in advance, [email protected]

im looking for a Mattie Alice Burns her mothers last name is Haney Mattie m Wiley E Murphy in 1891 in lauderdale alabama thank you Lori Ann [email protected]

Hi, I am searching for my ancestors that were in Indian Territory & Oklahoma Territory during the 1907 Oklahoma becoming a State. Robert Hayes Wilson 1877-1945, his dad was either William Hayes married Sexton? or Robert W. married Harper? Does anyone by chance know of these Wilsons? Also searching for McKee/McKey - Austin & Laura McKey/McKee - 1861-1905 & 1870-1905 maybe buried in AR or OK? Would appreciate any help. Thank You, Lee At 04:01 02/08/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 15 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [IT ROOTS] RUTH MAY LOVAL ["Butch Alford, CyberKat Computer S] > >Administrivia: >==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe, send an e-mail to: >[email protected] >Include only one word in the body of the message: > unsubscribe > > > >______________________________ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 15:26:48 -0800 >From: "Butch Alford, CyberKat Computer Systems" <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [IT ROOTS] RUTH MAY LOVAL >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >I'm looking for any information on my Great Grandmother, Ruth May >Loval-Bailey, she was Cherokee and was born in Oklahoma. >Ruth died in 1934 or 35 in Aurora, Oregon. > >My Grandfather's name was, John Layfitte Bailey he was born in England > >They had several children one was named Elmer Harrison Bailey. >At this time this is all the information I have, I'm looking for any >Information on Ruth's parents also. > >Thank You >

I'm looking for any information on my Great Grandmother, Ruth May Loval-Bailey, she was Cherokee and was born in Oklahoma. Ruth died in 1934 or 35 in Aurora, Oregon. My Grandfather's name was, John Layfitte Bailey he was born in England They had several children one was named Elmer Harrison Bailey. At this time this is all the information I have, I'm looking for any Information on Ruth's parents also. Thank You

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Jerri said: Easy answer: "no, there is no complete roster of names". We have been lucky to located a few of the Cherokee Removal rosters kept by the leaders of the groups which contain names (I believe only seven of eleven groups), but I don't know about the other tribes. In any event-there is no "complete list" as you had asked about. There were not just "one Removal group per tribe," as many people assume today! The people were broken into smaller groups because of the lessons learned in the first groups who lost so many from starvation! They tried to keep the later groups as small as was feasible and traveled different routes, hoping that they could purchase provisions from the farmers and merchants along the way. They believed by doing this they would get fresh food, not the wormy grain and spoiled meat that killed a number of our people, but "greed" and "compassion" are seldom bedfellows -- they STILL got the same food! There were lists of how many were provisioned during the removal, because the leaders of the groups were allowed a specific amount for each person. Those records do not contain names -- only "numbers," because they were much too busy just trying to survive to worry about recording names. Question: What are the seven groups and where can you get the information on them? Kathy

Uhhhhhhh, FRANCIS MARION HATFIELD was my grandfathers name and he was married several times too. Do have some dates? Victoria Brittain Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: Henry <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 2:07 AM Subject: [IT ROOTS] Jemima Burkhart > I am told that Jemima Burkhart was of Cherokee decent I would like any information that you have. She married Francis Marion Hatfield > I don't know if they were married in Indian Terr., or if they moved to the area. my email is [email protected] > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > >

I am told that Jemima Burkhart was of Cherokee decent I would like any information that you have. She married Francis Marion Hatfield I don't know if they were married in Indian Terr., or if they moved to the area. my email is [email protected]

Hello, A few weeks ago I read an article that explained why a person may not have a role number or be included in a census (even tho they were Am. Indian) and I thought I had saved it but now I can't locate it. Did anyone else read this ? The article mentioned that a person with a role number had limitations on their travels to stores etc. without a represintitave and that there were other reasons that a person might not have wanted to be included in a census. Thanks for your time. Patty -- Get your [email protected] email for FREE at http://Nameplanet.com/?su

patty said "A few weeks ago I read an article that explained why a person may not have a role number or be included in a census (even tho they were Am. Indian) <snip> The article mentioned that a person with a role number had limitations on their travels to stores etc. without a represintitave and that there were other reasons that a person might not have wanted to be included in a census." Patty-- I don't think it was posted to Indian Territory Roots mail list -- or I would have definitely commented and corrected that misinformation. Those are stories that are usually designed and used to explain and/or excuse "why-my-ancestors-were-not-on-the-rolls-although-they-were-all-full-bloods". <g> Read and study the REAL history of the FCT's in Indian Territory (Angie Debo, Emmet Starr, Grant Foreman, Kent Carter- to name a few respected authors), and don't believe all that "you hear"! Ask for specific references, case histories and documentation. jc

Cathy asked " Does anyone know if there is a list of the people forced to march?" Easy answer: "no, there is no complete roster of names". We have been lucky to located a few of the Cherokee Removal rosters kept by the leaders of the groups which contain names (I believe only seven of eleven groups), but I don't know about the other tribes. In any event- there is no "complete list" as you had asked about. There were not just "one Removal group per tribe", as many people assume today! The people were broken into smaller groups because of the lessons learned in the first groups who lost so many from starvation! They tried to keep the later groups as small as was feasible and traveled different routes, hoping that they could purchase provisions from the farmers and merchants along the way. They believed by doing this they would get fresh food, not the wormy grain and spoiled meat that killed a number of our people, but "greed" and "compassion" are seldom bedfellows -- they STILL got the same food! There were lists of how many were provisioned during the removal, because the leaders of the groups were allowed a specific amount for each person. Those records do not contain names -- only "numbers", because they were much too busy just trying to survive to worry about recording names. Jerri Chasteen

My uncle was discharged from the Army in 1919 because of DEMOHILIZATIOA. Never heard of this problem if it is spelled correctely. Got it form his daughter today in the mail. Like to know what it means. Do not have a medical dictionary. Thanks, Glee

Glee, Are you sure it doesn't say DEMOBILIZATION ? Just a thought. Jann

Medical Term of the old days http://www.jansdigs.com/Racine/medical.html