WHAT DID I MISS ABOUT TOES?I AM CHEROKEE .SHOULD I HAVE LONG POINTY TOES / SULTEESKA

JERRI: THANKS,YOU ARE A NATIONAL TREASURE. WHICH MEANS, A JOB WELL DONE. SULTEESKA

Hello,hope IT has settled down,hello everyone,,,any Coopers,DeHarts,Haynes from McAlester area to South Canadian IT,around 1890 to 189?...any help appreciated,God bless have a good day. [email protected]

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Hello List, Just wanted to mention again that I have the Dawes Roll "plus" and now I also have a copy of Cherokee Roots vol1. My father is looking at that volume presently but I should get it back in a day or two. If anyone would like a name looked up, let me know. My surnames DAVIS, STEVENSON, CHISHOLM, NORWOOD, BOREN, GIBBS, ABERNATHY, Thomas L. DAVIS is my big brick wall. He was born in 1850 in Davidson Co, Tenn. Married Jennie Nancy Chisholm and died 1895 in Terrell, Kaufman Co., Texas. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kristine

Ok all, It is time to put an end to all this DNA hoopla. Indians -no - we are Native Americans/First Nations People. We are the only ones who have to prove our heritage. We have to provide a 2 foot long pedigree like a common registered Dog. This Dog has her registered pedigree, woof woof bark bark!! Go ahead and take your DNA if you want to, it will only help weed out the wannabe twinky my grandmother was a Cherokee Princess people. UUUUGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! I get so sick of that story. Lets get back to genealogy what this list was made for. DNA is a medical subject, the door to that list is around the corner. Had my say and now I'm going back to researching for people! Yellow _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

If any of you leave the list because of some offense you took to Jerri's admonishment, you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. You are not going to find anyone else--and I mean ANYONE else--who can help you as much as she can. Jim Granger

I'm new to this list and I'm looking for information on my gggrandfather & gggrandfather both named William Shade who moved from Alabama to Vian, Oklahoma around 1906-07. They lived near the Cookston Hills. The senior Shade was murdered by a man (name unknown) that was sentenced to Alister prison. I do not know that man's name or the amount of time he received. If anyone can point me in a direction where I can locate any information I would appreciate it.

Diane wrote: "<snip> I have family members listed on the Choctaw marriage list and still can't find them on any Choctaw census, etc. Do they have to be Choctaw to get on that marriage list." Answer?-- "usually, -- but not always"! Have you checked the 1900 US census of Indian Territory? If they were Indian, they will be listed on a special form and it will show who the blood came from ("mother" or "father") and what tribe. Special note: there were a number of Chickasaws who were adopted into the Choctaw Tribe when the two tribes separated their lands (about 1860). If a member of either tribe was living on land that was assigned to the other tribe and didn't want to move to their own tribal lands and start over again, then the tribes agreed that the other tribe would simply adopt them! This "could" be the reason that you cannot find them in the Choctaw records-- they may be shown on earlier records as Chickasaw! jc

Well since your allowed to give your opinion without a problem them I must be allowed to also give mine. I feel that what the list manager said was discrimination against the Indians and I for one resist the slander against the Indians. This list is either a partnership or a dictator ship. Which one would any of you want? frances On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:53:21 -0500 "Vickie Jo Bauer" <[email protected]> writes: > I TOTALLY agree with Douglas and Jerri. She spends much time and > energy on > this site, with giving all of us needed help. Please.. enough is > enough! > If you don't want to read what is posted or it bothers you that > much, use > the delete key or unsubscribe. Stop the attacking!! > Vickie > > > > > Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas McFarland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:28 AM > Subject: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy > > > > The information concerning DNA pros and cons is only > that--information. > I can take it or leave it. > > It really bothers me, though, to read the personal attacks on > Jerri > Chasteen. She does a fine job of managing the list and has to > give an > enormous amount of time to an unpaid and mostly thankless > undertaking. > > She obviously is very knowledgeable about genealogy and is fully > qualified > for her position. My only connection with her is through the > list, but > I've seen her help members time and time again; and with a great > deal of > patience. > > Please, let's stop the personal attacks! > > > > > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, > click on > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, > click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I TOTALLY agree with Douglas and Jerri. She spends much time and energy on this site, with giving all of us needed help. Please.. enough is enough! If you don't want to read what is posted or it bothers you that much, use the delete key or unsubscribe. Stop the attacking!! Vickie Original Message ----- From: "Douglas McFarland" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:28 AM Subject: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy > The information concerning DNA pros and cons is only that--information. I can take it or leave it. > It really bothers me, though, to read the personal attacks on Jerri Chasteen. She does a fine job of managing the list and has to give an enormous amount of time to an unpaid and mostly thankless undertaking. > She obviously is very knowledgeable about genealogy and is fully qualified for her position. My only connection with her is through the list, but I've seen her help members time and time again; and with a great deal of patience. > Please, let's stop the personal attacks! > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > >

Here is another one of my Brick walls! RICHARD FIELDS (son of RICHARD Fields Sr and Susannah Emory) was born Abt. 1762 in Cherokee Nation, Spartanburg, South Carolina., and died 08 May 1827 in Nacogdoches, Texas near Henderson Texas. He married (3) ELIZABETH HICKS, daughter of NATHAN HICKS and NA HI. She was born Abt. 1758 in Cherokee Nation East, Georgia. He married (2) NANCY TIMBERLAKE NEE BROWN, daughter of ROBERT BROWN and SARAH HICKS. She was born Abt. 1780. He married (4) -------------GRAPP, daughter of FRANCOIS GRAPP. She was born Abt. 1780. He married (1) JENNIE BUFFINGTON Bef. 1810 in Cherokee Nation, Tennessee. She was born Abt. 1780 in Cherokee Nation East, Tennessee. While I can find information on Richard and Richard's other wives, I cannot find the parents of Jennie Buffington, or more infomation on Jennie..... Anyone have any suggestions? Sharon from Oregon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Doug, I'm with you on this subject!! Keep up the good work Jerri

I thought I would post a query and hopefully help get this list back on genealogy! This is one of my brick walls...... Wm Reed (or Reid) was Scotch., and lived with Susan (daughter of Old Nanny) near Old Tennnessee Town on the Tuckaseegee River (NC) near East LaPort.. Reed claimed 640 acres reserve by right of his wife, but was evicted by white intruders. They moved to the to the Going Snake District, Cherokee Nation, Indian Territory (now Oklahoma). I believe they were dead by 1851__________________________________________________________________ Do any of you have any suggestions as to where I can find early information on the Going Snake District? I would like to find where William and Susan are buried , Or at least where they lived in Going Snake Dist . Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sharon from Oregon ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Now, don't ask me when I have had time to check E-Bay :o) (I didn't-- it was sent to me), but the descendants of Jessie might want to take a look at this. Be aware that it "may" or "may not" be the original! E-Bay -- Title of item: Certificate of Allotment Cherokee Land Office Seller: [email protected] Starts: Feb-08-01 15:03:06 PST Ends: Feb-18-01 15:03:06 PST http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=557577199 Item Description: This is a Certificate of Allotment from the Cherokee Land Office. Has Cherokee roll number 29597 and Certificate number 37638. Certificate reads, Department of The Interior , Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes. Certificate Land Office. Tahlequah, J.T. Feb. 21, 1905. This certifies that Jessie Yarborough has this day filed his selection of the following described land, viz., containing 50 acres more or less as the case may be, according to the United States survey there of. Total appraised value of land described in this certificate $ 200.00. Commission to the Five Civilized Tribes. Overall condition for age, good.

Thanks for all of the support and to those who have e-mailed me privately-- I try, but it is very difficult to please 845 people :o) The main point is that everyone who subscribes to this list received the List Rules, which specifically excludes discussions of "body parts". I have no problem with those who feel that the list rules are too strict. There are many other mail lists available and they do have a choice. But I had received 16 unsubscribe notices of those who were sick of it, even BEFORE I posted my "No more DNA" message - plus over 20 personal messages saying "when are you going to stop all of this DNA stuff"! On a humorous note- one person who had blasted me and "unsubscribed" with a flourish, then came back in and subscribed under a different name (same computer!) to take yet another shot! Ah, meeeeeee! Everyone have a good weekend-- and lets get back to G-E-N-E-A-L-O-G-Y! Jerri Chasteen

Hang in there,and you have my complete support. Jim

The information concerning DNA pros and cons is only that--information. I can take it or leave it. It really bothers me, though, to read the personal attacks on Jerri Chasteen. She does a fine job of managing the list and has to give an enormous amount of time to an unpaid and mostly thankless undertaking. She obviously is very knowledgeable about genealogy and is fully qualified for her position. My only connection with her is through the list, but I've seen her help members time and time again; and with a great deal of patience. Please, let's stop the personal attacks!

Hey, don't be in such a hurry to put Jerri down!!!!!!!!!! You will never find a person who knows more about Indian Territory and the things you need to know. Sometimes we all get snippy and short in our answers. I have been on this list for a long time. I do not know Jerri but I along with many, many others have been helped with her knowledge of the area. Sometimes things just get carried too far and DNA and toes are only two of them. Maxine At 08:58 AM 02/11/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Hey, hey, hey.. > >I just started taking this here list so that I could learn stuff about the >indian territory: all kinds of stuff about the history, cemataries, >indians/whites/coloreds/and any other race that lived in indian territory, >genelogical stuff, research tips/suggestions/links/etc. without prejedice >and arguing. First, we get this guy/gal smk or skm talking about people >being nazis cause they wanna learn stuff using dna - seems it was this smk >person that forwarded the info in the first place, cause I didnt see no >message about it in the archives. Second, we get this here message from >this Jerri lady that owns this list, yelling about only wanting stuff about >genelogical things and not talk about dna sos we can learn about >genelogical stuff only and says we are all wrong about dna stuff anyways, >but then she dont bother telling us what the right stuff is. She wants to >fuss at us, for saying dna aint got nothing to do with genelogical stuff - >and that's just plain prejediced and stupid in itself. Seems I just read >this info about Thomas Jefferson who was a president of US, and how they >recently did dna testing and proved that he fathered kids with his colored >maid, and seeing how they proved they was his kids, they was part of his >genelogy! In other words, dna testing proved that Thomas Jefferson was >their genelogical ancestor. So, it just seems that this Jerri lady just >plain dont want any of us to learn even about genelogical stuff either! >Talk about prejediced and stupid! Guess knowing where some cematary is >that aint got no kinfolk of mine buried in it aint got nothing to do with >my own genelogy, but I dont go and fuss at the person saying where their >kinfolks is buried - same differnce in my book as what this Jerri lady is >doing! If it aint got something to do with her personaly, then it aint >worth learning. Well lady, I happen to like learning about all kinds of >genelogical stuff, even if it aint got nothing to do with me and my >personal kinfolks, so I agree with Victoria here - how bout unsubing your >ownself, cause you talked about stuff that aint got nothing to do with my >personal kinfolk and genelogy, and not only that, you dont want the rest of >us learning, cause you wouldnt even tell us what the right dna stuff is! >And since dna does have something to do with genelogy, it seems to me that >this aint no genelogical list neither - its the >Only-what-Jerri-wants-us-to-know-prejediced-list! Also seems to me that >this Jerri lady is the kind that if she wants you to have an opinion on >anything, she'll give you hers, cause any other opinion must be wrong. And >that is definitly insulting and prejediced! Anybody know how to complain >to Jerris bosses about her being prejediced and insulting? Seems they >would want to know how shes treating folks around here and giving this list >a bad name. > >Thanks for setting us straight Victoria! Oh, and sorry but I didnt find no >url for the dna stuff like you said you was giving anywhere in your >message. I'd like to be able to read it and make up my own mind, rather >than letting Jerri make it up for me. Could you email it privatly to me >sos we dont go giving Jerri conniptions? Thanks. > >Also with best regards, >Cadwynn MacDonald > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Victoria" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: 10 February 2001 17:53 >Subject: [IT ROOTS] RE: DNA > > > > Dear List and Chasteen, > > > > Doing genealogy in an area that was the hub of the Native American is one >of > > the reason I am on this list. I don't understand why it would be called > > "Indian Territory Roots" if it did not include those of us with HIGH > > cheekbones. Here is the URL for the DNA issue. You can make your own > > decisions as to what is wrong. It is called the USA way to do things. > > And concerning the insulting remarks made by the list Mother. I vote that > > she should unsub herself. > > > > With Best Regards > > Victoria Brittain Allen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jerri Chasteen <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:04 AM > > Subject: [IT ROOTS] ENOUGH ON THE DNA!! > > > > > > > This is a G-E-N-E-A-L-O-G-I-C-A-L mail list. > > > > > > It is NOT a DNA, high cheekbones, and > > > "my-grandmother-was-an-Indian-because-she-had-long-pointy-toes" mail > > > list. If you want to discuss those things, then I'm sure there is a mail > > > list for them- but THIS ISN'T IT! > > > > > > I attended annual GenTech Seminar in Mesquite TX last weekend. 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Hey, hey, hey.. I just started taking this here list so that I could learn stuff about the indian territory: all kinds of stuff about the history, cemataries, indians/whites/coloreds/and any other race that lived in indian territory, genelogical stuff, research tips/suggestions/links/etc. without prejedice and arguing. First, we get this guy/gal smk or skm talking about people being nazis cause they wanna learn stuff using dna - seems it was this smk person that forwarded the info in the first place, cause I didnt see no message about it in the archives. Second, we get this here message from this Jerri lady that owns this list, yelling about only wanting stuff about genelogical things and not talk about dna sos we can learn about genelogical stuff only and says we are all wrong about dna stuff anyways, but then she dont bother telling us what the right stuff is. She wants to fuss at us, for saying dna aint got nothing to do with genelogical stuff - and that's just plain prejediced and stupid in itself. Seems I just read this info about Thomas Jefferson who was a president of US, and how they recently did dna testing and proved that he fathered kids with his colored maid, and seeing how they proved they was his kids, they was part of his genelogy! In other words, dna testing proved that Thomas Jefferson was their genelogical ancestor. So, it just seems that this Jerri lady just plain dont want any of us to learn even about genelogical stuff either! Talk about prejediced and stupid! Guess knowing where some cematary is that aint got no kinfolk of mine buried in it aint got nothing to do with my own genelogy, but I dont go and fuss at the person saying where their kinfolks is buried - same differnce in my book as what this Jerri lady is doing! If it aint got something to do with her personaly, then it aint worth learning. Well lady, I happen to like learning about all kinds of genelogical stuff, even if it aint got nothing to do with me and my personal kinfolks, so I agree with Victoria here - how bout unsubing your ownself, cause you talked about stuff that aint got nothing to do with my personal kinfolk and genelogy, and not only that, you dont want the rest of us learning, cause you wouldnt even tell us what the right dna stuff is! And since dna does have something to do with genelogy, it seems to me that this aint no genelogical list neither - its the Only-what-Jerri-wants-us-to-know-prejediced-list! Also seems to me that this Jerri lady is the kind that if she wants you to have an opinion on anything, she'll give you hers, cause any other opinion must be wrong. And that is definitly insulting and prejediced! Anybody know how to complain to Jerris bosses about her being prejediced and insulting? Seems they would want to know how shes treating folks around here and giving this list a bad name. Thanks for setting us straight Victoria! Oh, and sorry but I didnt find no url for the dna stuff like you said you was giving anywhere in your message. I'd like to be able to read it and make up my own mind, rather than letting Jerri make it up for me. Could you email it privatly to me sos we dont go giving Jerri conniptions? Thanks. Also with best regards, Cadwynn MacDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victoria" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 10 February 2001 17:53 Subject: [IT ROOTS] RE: DNA > Dear List and Chasteen, > > Doing genealogy in an area that was the hub of the Native American is one of > the reason I am on this list. I don't understand why it would be called > "Indian Territory Roots" if it did not include those of us with HIGH > cheekbones. Here is the URL for the DNA issue. You can make your own > decisions as to what is wrong. It is called the USA way to do things. > And concerning the insulting remarks made by the list Mother. I vote that > she should unsub herself. > > With Best Regards > Victoria Brittain Allen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerri Chasteen <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:04 AM > Subject: [IT ROOTS] ENOUGH ON THE DNA!! > > > > This is a G-E-N-E-A-L-O-G-I-C-A-L mail list. > > > > It is NOT a DNA, high cheekbones, and > > "my-grandmother-was-an-Indian-because-she-had-long-pointy-toes" mail > > list. If you want to discuss those things, then I'm sure there is a mail > > list for them- but THIS ISN'T IT! > > > > I attended annual GenTech Seminar in Mesquite TX last weekend. I talked > > to the people at the BYU booth--- and you are ALL wrong!!!! > > > > > > Jerri Chasteen > > List Owner _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com