I'm for Jerri, she has helped me in the past with Holloway. I'm not to happy to have my computer lettered with soreheads. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Jo Bauer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy > I TOTALLY agree with Douglas and Jerri. She spends much time and energy on > this site, with giving all of us needed help. Please.. enough is enough! > If you don't want to read what is posted or it bothers you that much, use > the delete key or unsubscribe. Stop the attacking!! > Vickie > > > > > Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas McFarland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:28 AM > Subject: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy > > > > The information concerning DNA pros and cons is only that--information. > I can take it or leave it. > > It really bothers me, though, to read the personal attacks on Jerri > Chasteen. She does a fine job of managing the list and has to give an > enormous amount of time to an unpaid and mostly thankless undertaking. > > She obviously is very knowledgeable about genealogy and is fully qualified > for her position. My only connection with her is through the list, but > I've seen her help members time and time again; and with a great deal of > patience. > > Please, let's stop the personal attacks! > > > > > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > >

I find a Katie 1894-1953..Nute 1880-? in Wister cem.book,come on folks dont read the ones your not interested in,we were new once.oK! [email protected]

where can i find the IT ROOTS DNA TESTING ARCHIVES i cannot seem to find them why not start you a indian territory roots DNA test web site so we can get back to the basics thanks for letting me have my say i am still searching for the elusive william robert tucker of indian territory

Hello Michael, I request the following info looked up: Delia Hawkins, Cherokee By Blood, #28184. Does your info list anything else besides index etc.? I was looking for application jacket or family info to verify this as my ggrandmother. Thank you very much. Roxanne Haileselassie<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

I would love to have a copy thank you! And thank you for the names, It never hit me to look for another name, and I should have because many had 3 and 4 names they went by. I must be having a dumb moment. <g> >From: Leo Cundiff <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IT ROOTS] Re: Standing Turkey >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 12:05:30 -0600 > >Standing Turkey also went by the names Oconostota >and Cunne Shote. I have a colored picture of a painting >of him that I can send as an attachment, if anyone is >interested. > >He was a sixth-greatgrandfather of mine. > >Leo > > >==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== >For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html >To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I seen the date 1900's. So if they lived up till the time of the SS then Write SS and have them to pull their records and it will have where they were born. Plus if you have their death date then write to the funeral home or State where they died and have them to pull their death record. >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IT ROOTS] Bird-creek family Muskogee Nation I.T. >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:59:27 EST > >I was wondering if anybody had any information on the Bird-Creek family >from >Weleetka, I. T.? They lived there since the move from Mississippi, until >the >Early 1900s. They were Creek and I have there Dawes roll #'s from the >National Archives but I would like more information. Foarhutchee Chupko >(the >spelling is close) is my ggg grandfather and he is from Tuckabatchee, but I >am not sure if its Tuckabatchee Miss. or Tuckabatchee I. T., as stated on >the >Dawes Rolls, his wife was Losochee, she was from Tuckabatchee as well, but >I >am not sure if it is Miss. or I. T., and their son was Jesse Bird-creek, he >might have been born in Miss., he was married to Mandy Bird-Creek, her >father >was a Josiah Asbury, from Coweta, and wife was Lizzie Barnett,from >Tuckabatchee. Any information would be appreciated. >Thanks, >Will > > >==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== >For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html >To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

DNA is not a full proof testing, plus can be doctored up to disprove if the Gov. so wants it to be! Genocide is still in the making against the American Indian/First Nations People. Why do you think the Gov. is wanting to move the blood quantum up to ONE HALF now? Think about it people. Get on a list of this type of talk and learn more because this list is genealogy and I'm sure the list owner would like to keep it that way. And please no more letters saying I'm evil or that I have a stone in my heart. I see fact and I know fact and I recognize fact and I don't hold back when I speak my mind. You get a straight shooter on thoughts when this ole Cherokee gal speaks. Go to egroup list for groups that talk of non-genealogy and of this. Yellow >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IT ROOTS] Re: Indian-Territory-Roots-D Digest V01 #22 >Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:44:25 EST > >DNA questions; how much does DNA testing cost? locations that they can be >done in? I was told about this months ago, they said a person could find >out >more about their Cherokee heritage that way. To me that would be wonderful, >that is if the tests wasn't so expensive. There are so many records that >was >thrown away or burned in fires, maybe that is the reason I cannot find out >anything about my relatives. I also think finding out might help with >diseases or ailments that our ancestors had that was passed on to us. I am >sure if the government can have such reasons to have these test done, there >will be something bad come out. In our newspaper this morning one person >said >that there could be discrimination based on our DNA findings. If anyone out >there has any answers please feel free to respond to me, I would love to >find >out more plus tracing my ancestors seems to be a closed door. > >Wado, Agaliha99 > > >==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== >For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html >To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I am new to the list and would like to know if anyone knows whether there would be birth records (online) for Indian Territory from 1845 and beyond? Roxanne Haileselassie<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Standing Turkey also went by the names Oconostota and Cunne Shote. I have a colored picture of a painting of him that I can send as an attachment, if anyone is interested. He was a sixth-greatgrandfather of mine. Leo

Brenda, Do you have "The Borens Past and Present" by Helen Meeks? She shows Nora and Esau (Tode and Sap) moving from Wynnewood, OK area to San Antonio, TX around 1923 where they separated. You didn't say if you have the Obit for Sap but if not this may be a lead. Just a thought. Jeannean in OK

Dear List , Someone once told me in a teachers education course that I took that there are no stupid questions only stupid persons . Thanks to Jerri Chasteen 3 years ago and the work she did in locating two private cemeteries , giving the locations and directions we were able to complete our Cherokee genealogy back to Amatoy Matoy 1640 . When we made the trip to visit those cemeteries we discovered first cousins that we knew nothing about. My husband lost 3 family members both parents ,before he was 5 years old and was raised by various elderly relatives. All of his life he has mourned his lack of family rootedness . Thank you Jerri , the information you gave us so very graciously and freely enabled us to reestablish long lost and extended family connections. We started our search for my husbands roots 3 years ago with a family bible and one cherokee roll # . My husbands deceased mother wrote down on a loose sheet in her bible the names of her maternal grandmothers ,not grandfathers ,back 4 generations.Fortunately for us those names appeared on most of the existing Cherokee rolls.But this would not have been possible without the help of persons like Jerri Chasteen and other volunteers who gave us our first critical information. Jerri , I salute you , Nell Coats [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 2/11/01 4:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I also think that Jerri does a great job and helps a lot of people; however, > there are some that she blasts, like me and not because of any Dna stuff. I > am new at this and so I don't know what might be offfensive. I asked what > Scatchwah meant because it is a word that is connected with my ggggrandmother > Elizabeth Driggers. It is even on her grave marker. I just wanted to know > what it means. I believe that my gggrandmother was Walkinghorse who was known > as Martha Jane Carmon. I just want to know what tribe or nation this name may > have origninated from so that I might look on some Indian Rolls to see if I > can find any of these my ancestors. Strong emotions, heart & soul issues are > not something that any one race owns except for the human race. Since I can > remember, I have been called by a longing to know. I was accused of just > wanting to get my hands on Indian Land or other such sinister motives. Come > on, just think about it. After several e-mails back and forth I eventually > was called a 'thinblood' by Jerri & basically a hopless case that needs to > just go away. I know that human beings go through many things and we need to > extend patience & long suffering toward one another. I still would appreciate > hearing from anyone that might be able to point me in the right direction. > Blessings, suzanne > > I TOTALLY agree with Douglas and Jerri. She spends much time and energy on > > > this site, with giving all of us needed help. Please.. enough is enough! > > If you don't want to read what is posted or it bothers you that much, use > > the delete key or unsubscribe. Stop the attacking!! > > Vickie > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected]

DNA questions; how much does DNA testing cost? locations that they can be done in? I was told about this months ago, they said a person could find out more about their Cherokee heritage that way. To me that would be wonderful, that is if the tests wasn't so expensive. There are so many records that was thrown away or burned in fires, maybe that is the reason I cannot find out anything about my relatives. I also think finding out might help with diseases or ailments that our ancestors had that was passed on to us. I am sure if the government can have such reasons to have these test done, there will be something bad come out. In our newspaper this morning one person said that there could be discrimination based on our DNA findings. If anyone out there has any answers please feel free to respond to me, I would love to find out more plus tracing my ancestors seems to be a closed door. Wado, Agaliha99

In a message dated 2/11/01 4:56:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I also think that Jerri does a great job and helps a lot of people; however, there are some that she blasts, like me and not because of any Dna stuff. I am new at this and so I don't know what might be offfensive. I asked what Scatchwah meant because it is a word that is connected with my ggggrandmother Elizabeth Driggers. It is even on her grave marker. I just wanted to know what it means. I believe that my gggrandmother was Walkinghorse who was known as Martha Jane Carmon. I just want to know what tribe or nation this name may have origninated from so that I might look on some Indian Rolls to see if I can find any of these my ancestors. Strong emotions, heart & soul issues are not something that any one race owns except for the human race. Since I can remember, I have been called by a longing to know. I was accused of just wanting to get my hands on Indian Land or other such sinister motives. Come on, just think about it. After several e-mails back and forth I eventually was called a 'thinblood' by Jerri & basically a hopless case that needs to just go away. I know that human beings go through many things and we need to extend patience & long suffering toward one another. I still would appreciate hearing from anyone that might be able to point me in the right direction. Blessings, suzanne I TOTALLY agree with Douglas and Jerri. She spends much time and energy on > this site, with giving all of us needed help. Please.. enough is enough! > If you don't want to read what is posted or it bothers you that much, use > the delete key or unsubscribe. Stop the attacking!! > Vickie > >

Please can we get back to what we are here for, no more arguing? I thought most of us were adults who are entitled to their own opinion. Kathy

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Sorry, but I don't have any information for you...but have a similar problem...I have found the grave of my ggrandfather, and after years of marriage and 10 children, he is buried alone a widower... I have reason to beleive my ggrandmother was at least 1/2 Indian....My question to the list is this....If in fact she was Indian, and wished to buried on a reservation with her family, was it allowed in the early 1920's for her husband, a white man, to be buried with her?...I have been told that it wasn't allowed, but the person that told me that wasn't sure.... I would appreciate it if someone could give me the answer...then I would have another place to search for her...... Thank you, Wilma Sanford [email protected]

I was wondering if anybody had any information on the Yargee family from Edna, I. T.? They lived there since the move from Mississippi, until the Early 1900s. They were Creek and I have there Dawes roll #'s from the National Archives but I would like more information. Micco Charte (the spelling is close) is my ggg grandfather and he is not placed from anywhere, as stated on the Dawes Rolls, his wife was not stated, and their son was James Yargee, he might have been born in Miss., he was married to Mandy Yargee, her father was a Cochar Tiger, from Tuskegee, and wife was a Wisey, from Tuskegee, bout i am not sure are either from Tuskegee, AL, or Tuskegee I. T. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Will

I was wondering if anybody had any information on the Bird-Creek family from Weleetka, I. T.? They lived there since the move from Mississippi, until the Early 1900s. They were Creek and I have there Dawes roll #'s from the National Archives but I would like more information. Foarhutchee Chupko (the spelling is close) is my ggg grandfather and he is from Tuckabatchee, but I am not sure if its Tuckabatchee Miss. or Tuckabatchee I. T., as stated on the Dawes Rolls, his wife was Losochee, she was from Tuckabatchee as well, but I am not sure if it is Miss. or I. T., and their son was Jesse Bird-creek, he might have been born in Miss., he was married to Mandy Bird-Creek, her father was a Josiah Asbury, from Coweta, and wife was Lizzie Barnett,from Tuckabatchee. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Will

I was wondering if anybody had any information on the Sharkey family from Jackson County, I. T.? They lived there since the move from Mississippi, until the Early 1900s. They were Choctaw and I have there Dawes roll #'s from the National Archives but I would like more information. (no first name was placed)Sharkey is my ggg grandfather and he is from Jackson, but I am not sure if its Jackson Miss. or Jackson I. T., as stated on the Dawes Rolls, his wife was Lottie Sharkey, she was from Jackson as well, but I am not sure if it is Miss. or I. T., and their son was Impson Sharkey, he might have been born in Miss., he was married to Elsie Sharkey, her father was a (no first name was placed) Payson, from Jackson Fork, and wife was Siney From Jackson Fork. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Will

I was wondering if anybody had any information on the Jones family from Atoka County, I. T.? They lived there since the move from Mississippi, until the Early 1900s. They were Choctaw and I have there roll #'s but I would like more information. Soloman Jones is my ggg grandfather, and his son was Edmond Jones. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Will