Jim Reed, My name is Wind Chaser. My GGGgrandmother's name was Sarah Cochran, she married Abel Sparks. Their Daughter was Hannah Sabre Sparks, she married Johnathan Glenn. Thier oldest son was my Ggrandfather, was John B.E. Carroll (Jack) Glenn. His daughter my grandmother Olive Lee (Glenn) Inman b. 1872-73 in Dade County Mo. John B.E. Carroll (Jack) Glenn was said to be almost full blood Cherokee. I know that Johnathan was part Cherokee I am not sure of his blood quantum. Does any of this sound fimular to you? I am hopeing you might be able to help me. Please contact me off list. Wind Chaser. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz & Kevin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [IT ROOTS] beck, story > Noticed your Surname Story! > Im hunting info on this name also do you have any in the New York,Penn area? > God Bless > Liz > I believe however he was of Irish decent> > > Jim Reed wrote: > > > Hi, I have been looking for my grandmother Martha Elizabeth Story's, mother > > and father. Martha or Mattie was b 1871-, her sister Sara Bernice Story > > Cochran b.1876-1969, might be a half sister. > > Their father was a William Story, b. approx 1855, but I don't know who he > > married. > > When Martha's first husband A E Jones, died she stayed with an "Aunt Julia > > Hildebrand Beck". I don't know if she was a real aunt or friend. I have > > searched this name and am familiar with the Beck mill and legend but have > > not found any connection even at the library in Colcord. > > And it was said that William lived near/with Sara in Jay/eucha/kenwood area > > but I cannot find the cemetery he was buried in or know what year he died. > > That's not much to go on, is it...These families seem to traverse back and > > forth between Kansas OK and Siloam Springs, AR. Open for suggestions on > > where to look next. > > deb > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > > ______________________________

Hi everyone! I posted a search on this site in January 2001 but I ran into a brick wall and need help!!!! I am still trying to find out more about my great grandmother Caroline Pearl? Wilson or Pearl Caroline Wilson. She was born 1890 or 1892 near Lindsay or Erin Springs, Indian Territory. She was supposed to have a roll number. Her mother Rebecca Pearl? Kitchens married James Wilson and was supposed to be American Indian. Rebecca was born in Texas but I don't know when and where and which Tribe she could have belonged to. James Wilson was born in Ireland (Scotch/Irish) and served during the Civil War for the Union. He was married before in Arkansas. But there are so many Wilson out there. Caroline's older brother was William Wilson born 1884, don't know where. Can only be Texas or Indian Territory. Her younger brother was Bryan Wilson born 1895. Rebecca died during Bryans birth. I don't know where they lived until 1910. They are named in the 1910 Census living in Harrison Township except James Wilson. He must have left after Rebecca died and the children lived with relatives. I've got some information about a Pearl Caroline Wilson, age 2, Chickasaw newborn. Census card #154 Dawes Enrollment # 134, but I don't have a date on this and don't know where to look up the newborn census. I know Caroline married Columbus Coleman Brown at Sandy Grove School, Grady County in 1911.She died 1941 and is buried in Washington, McClain County. Is there any way to trace birth records from 1884 - 1895 near Lindsay or Erin Springs? And how can I find out more about Rebecca Kitchens in Texas? I am new to this and don't know all the resources out there. Please!! any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jim

Hello All, I am looking for "Wilkins Report by Noel Trout." At one time I found this report on line and traced it to my great grandfather John Wilkins and his following generations which were very helpful. I was so excited to find this information. Now, I am unable to find this article on line and was hoping some of you could help me. I have a cousin who is just starting out and I thought this report would help him, as it has helped me. If anyone could furnish me with a site address, I would really appreciate it. Thanks in advance for your help. Billie

[email protected] wrote: "How may I find out information regarding my family who lived in East Tn, Carolina's and Ga? <snip>-- there are census of them but no death record. <snip>" If you have access to "Everton's Handy Book" (most libraries have them) you can check the specific counties and see when they started requiring the recording of death records (usually after 1900). Also see if the court house records even survived the Civil War and "Mother Nature's storms". An even better record (recorded VERY early) would be the Wills and Probate Records of the county. I've found a gold mine of information in those. Jerri Chasteen

I see no reason for two more lists. If everyone who is on this list would go back and read the information when they subscribed, there would be none of the bickering that I have seen for the last week. Jerri C. is a most knowledgeable and helpful person. This is her list, she set the rules. I fully support her and thank her for all of her past efforts and hope that she gains the support of those who stay. I may drop off again because I am going on vacation and don't want a couple hundred messages waiting for me upon my return. But, if I do, I will re-subscribe and keep another copy of the instructions that Jerri tells people to read and keep. --This is in response to the snipped comments below. Keith Lowrey --->I have started two lists you might be interested in joining. One is for >those looking for Native ancestors in Indian Territory and the other is for >those looking for White ancestors in Indian Territory. >

How may I find out information regarding my family who lived in East Tn, Carolina's and Ga? They all seemed to have disappeared into thin air, (figure of speech) there are census of them but no death record. I am seaching the Vann's, Kings, Powell, and Dickson. Agaliha99

Pat Kennedy here: Re] Michail Lipartito Would you please check the records for: Wardwell, John (or others) DeGraffenried, Creed Yaylor (or others) Lawrence, Adam Henry (or others) Thank you Pat

In a message dated 2/13/01 9:02:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I thought this web site was meant to help those of > us, who hold that thin line of hoping one day to just prove that we are > apart > of the such a wonderful culture. > > Linda > Missouri > > Well said Linda, thank you.

I'm seeking information on descendants of James Isaac Crow and Sarah Jane Hargraves (Hartgraves) married in 1878 probably in Van Zandt County TX. Sara Jane Hartgraves, was born 13 Jan 1862, to Charles Hartgraves and Mary Hill. In 1880 Bessie Ann was born, James Henry was born 3 Mar 1882. Shortly after 1882 James Isaac and Sarah Jane and 4 other family members moved to Indian Territory, Cherokee Nation, Sequoyah County, OK. Other children born in Oklahoma to James Isaac and Sarah Jane were Edward Isaac, Netti, Gilola, Oliver, Hattie, Cleo, Walter Clarence and Roy. If you have any information please contact me at [email protected]

<Does anyone know where I write in OK to get a copy of a confederate pension? > The Oklahoma Historical Society. They have an 800 number. You can search here to get the pension # before you call. http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/arcgene.htm#Pensions http://www.odl.state.ok.us/oar/docs/pension.pdf

Hello, New to this list, and completely impartial to the current wars going on here. I have remained quiet to avoid any conflict with anyone. I am merely trying to learn as much as possible, without asking any questions that could be misconstrued by anyone, in hopes of avoiding any unnecessary or unwanted confrontations. I see messages from people that seem to be extremely satisfied with this list and the way it is presented, and messages from those who seem to be extremely unsatisfied with this list and the way it is presented. I have no opinion either way. I have recently been sent the following email, and in hopes of satisfying BOTH sides in the split faction here, I offer to present what I received. This way, those who wish to stay here may happily do so, and those who wish to go elsewhere may happily do so. I have no personal interest either way, and support neither faction. I merely want to try to learn what I can, where I can, while avoiding the conflict. So in an effort to hopefully please both sides, here is a peaceful option that was sent to me with the names removed to prevent another battle from breaking out. If you are interested, check it out, if not interested, do not. The idea was not mine, the below words are not mine, so please do not flame me personally, ESPECIALLY do not respond to this in THIS list, and do not reply to me via my personal mail. I want no part of any conflict, thank you. I merely see this as a peaceful option to BOTH sides of the conflict. Those who wish to stay, do so and be happy. Those who wish to leave, do so and be happy. ----- received message begins ----- Hi: I have started two lists you might be interested in joining. One is for those looking for Native ancestors in Indian Territory and the other is for those looking for White ancestors in Indian Territory. I certainly hope you join and tell your friends about the lists. These lists will be relaxed as long as no flaming goes on. The list mom is easy going and strives to be polite and friendly at all times, even when gritting her teeth! LOL Please put subscribe in the subject line and send to: [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Best, *NAME REMOVED TO PROTECT THE INDIVIDUAL* ----- received message ends ----- _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/

Does anyone know where I write in OK to get a copy of a confederate pension? I understand that those have to come from the state. Thanks for any help. Gloria

I am new at this search for my roots. I have been reading the Indian-Territory emails now for the past three months. It scares me to think that as people who are searching for their past, that we have not progressed to accepted others for who they are. We seem to be repeating many of the same prejudice as our ancestries did. I can't prove that my grandparents were part Indian. Yet, I know in my heart and mind that I am part of their heritage that they seemed so hard to hide, because of the prejudice of some people. As adults where does it end. I thought this web site was meant to help those of us, who hold that thin line of hoping one day to just prove that we are apart of the such a wonderful culture. Linda Missouri

In a message dated 2/12/01 8:52:41 PM, [email protected] writes: << Jerri, I am told that my Grand father and mother are buried on the Flying L Ranch with 12 or so others between Doughterty and Davis in Murray county which used to be Chcikasaw Territory.........I know that the ranch is owned my the Healey family........do you have any suggestions.........on how I can approach these people or where I might look for a registery of people buried in an unregistered cemetery? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..........thanks.........Cathy >> Cathy, I do not want to speak for Jerri, but it has been my experience that people are extremely accommodating about matters such as this. It is important to request permission to cross onto their land, but I'd be shocked if it weren't granted. Good luck! LL Always seeking additional information re the McGHEES in IT: Ambrose McGHEE, m. Judith Cochran abt 1838-39, both traveled the Trail of Tears. Judith was Cherokee, still uncertain in what capacity Ambrose made the trip, but perhaps as a sutler. Ambrose's brothers John, Burton, Albert and Larkin were all in IT, too. John is said to have died at Ft. Gibson, no year given. He appears on the 1850 McDonald CO MO census, is gone from the 1860 census, though his wife is still there. I am particularly interested in learning something of John's death, though realize the chances of the details having been recorded are slim.

Hello, I am looking for info on "Jack"Smith family they were the first settlers of Richwoods Township AR. That is where Amagon is today in Jackson Co.AR. "Jack" had children Jim,Tom,Babe,Doll,Sarah Smith.With Jim[A.James] being my GGrandpa they were Indian[got this out of a book in Newport Libary] I have pictures Of Tom and Jims Grave and there Headstones have a Symbol at the bottom < O > Does anyone one know what this Symbol means.They are buried on a Mound I know they were Indian but i do not know what tribe[maybe Quapaw] I know the Smith name is one of the hardest to search,but any help is appreciated. Thanks Jim

--part1_3f.10987d42.27ba1f93_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I Think we have had about enough pros & cons on this subject. Lets just get on with what we are here for. Not Controversy, but Genealogy. BFC --part1_3f.10987d42.27ba1f93_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (rly-yh02.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.34]) by air-yh05.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:20:00 -0500 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by rly-yh02.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:19:16 -0500 Received: (from [email protected]) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f1D0Iox25915; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:18:50 -0800 Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:18:50 -0800 X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Mon Feb 12 16:18:49 2001 From: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Old-To: "Vickie Jo Bauer" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:39:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Resent-From: [email protected] X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/6616 X-Loop: [email protected] Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [email protected] I'm for Jerri, she has helped me in the past with Holloway. I'm not to happy to have my computer lettered with soreheads. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vickie Jo Bauer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy > I TOTALLY agree with Douglas and Jerri. She spends much time and energy on > this site, with giving all of us needed help. Please.. enough is enough! > If you don't want to read what is posted or it bothers you that much, use > the delete key or unsubscribe. Stop the attacking!! > Vickie > > > > > Original Message ----- > From: "Douglas McFarland" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 10:28 AM > Subject: [IT ROOTS] DNA Controversy > > > > The information concerning DNA pros and cons is only that--information. > I can take it or leave it. > > It really bothers me, though, to read the personal attacks on Jerri > Chasteen. She does a fine job of managing the list and has to give an > enormous amount of time to an unpaid and mostly thankless undertaking. > > She obviously is very knowledgeable about genealogy and is fully qualified > for her position. My only connection with her is through the list, but > I've seen her help members time and time again; and with a great deal of > patience. > > Please, let's stop the personal attacks! > > > > > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] --part1_3f.10987d42.27ba1f93_boundary--

While reading in one of the forums the other day I saw that a new book had been published with the records from Nichols Brothers at Southwest City, MO. Does anyone have access to this book? I would be interested in purchasing it but would like to know if it has any Curry/Currey family members listed in it. I know my great grandfather's (SAMUEL CURREY) last pension check was sent to them after receipt of a letter inquiring about it. Else

Noticed your Surname Story! Im hunting info on this name also do you have any in the New York,Penn area? God Bless Liz I believe however he was of Irish decent> Jim Reed wrote: > Hi, I have been looking for my grandmother Martha Elizabeth Story's, mother > and father. Martha or Mattie was b 1871-, her sister Sara Bernice Story > Cochran b.1876-1969, might be a half sister. > Their father was a William Story, b. approx 1855, but I don't know who he > married. > When Martha's first husband A E Jones, died she stayed with an "Aunt Julia > Hildebrand Beck". I don't know if she was a real aunt or friend. I have > searched this name and am familiar with the Beck mill and legend but have > not found any connection even at the library in Colcord. > And it was said that William lived near/with Sara in Jay/eucha/kenwood area > but I cannot find the cemetery he was buried in or know what year he died. > That's not much to go on, is it...These families seem to traverse back and > forth between Kansas OK and Siloam Springs, AR. Open for suggestions on > where to look next. > deb > > ==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== > For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html > To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected]

Hello List, I hope that I have responded to everyone request for look ups at least once. If I have not, please feel free to give me a shout again. It's a little difficult keeping track of who I answered or not. All the look ups that have been done up to this point have come from The Dawes Roll Plus. I will hopefully get the Cherokee Roots volume1 back tommorrow. My Mother and I are making a Tear Dress. I couldn't sew to save my life so she is helping. Thank goodness one of us knows what we're doing! Anyway, if I have somehow missed your request or if you have more please send them on. Take care and goodnight Kristine

Jerri, I am told that my Grand father and mother are buried on the Flying L Ranch with 12 or so others between Doughterty and Davis in Murray county which used to be Chcikasaw Territory.........I know that the ranch is owned my the Healey family........do you have any suggestions.........on how I can approach these people or where I might look for a registery of people buried in an unregistered cemetery? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated..........thanks.........Cathy