Larry wrote: "<snip> a place called "WYANDOTU I.T." I am trying to figure out what county in Oklahoma that would have been in." Larry- That would be "Wyandotte I.T." which was in the Quapaw Agency Land District (see map at http://www.rootsweb.com/~itquapaw/index.htm ). It is now located in Ottawa County OK. If you haven't already done so, you might want to search for them on the 1900 Indian Territory census Soundex and when you locate what nation they were living in, then view the entire information on the actual census page. That census actually lists more information than the 1910 or the 1920 census. Best jc

Larry wrote: "<snip> a place called "WYANDOTU I.T." I am trying to figure out what county in Oklahoma that would have been in." Larry- That would be "Wyandotte I.T." which was in the Quapaw Agency Land District (see map at http://www.rootsweb.com/~itquapaw/index.htm ). It is now located in Ottawa County OK. If you haven't already done so, you might want to search for them on the 1900 Indian Territory census Soundex and when you locate what nation they were living in, then view the entire information on the actual census page. That census actually lists more information than the 1910 or the 1920 census. Best jc

I have a Baker ancestor that was supposed to have been married in a place called "WYANDOTU I.T." I am trying to figure out what county in Oklahoma that would have been in. I can't find any trace of it and come up with no hits when I do an internet search. Can someone please help me figure out where this place was. George W2 BAKER (Joseph H1) was born Feb 1868 in Scott Co, AR, and died 21 Feb 1942 in McAlester, Pittsburg Co, OK. He married Mattie PRICE Feb 1890 in Wyandotu, IT. She was born 20 Feb 1869, and died 25 Oct 1941 in McAlester, Pittsburg Co, OK. Appreciate the help Larry Gosnell

I am seeking information on any Cherokee relationship for JESS HARMON, MARTHA (JOHNSON) HARMON, ELIZA (WEBB) MONTCASTLE, WILLIS LEWIS MONTCASTLE, TRUMAN BALLEW, and STELLA (AKRES) BALLEW, all born in the 1800's, all ended up in WV or Lima, OH. ELIZA WEBB may have been from VA originally.

Looking for information on Becky and Elizabeth Haynes(hanes) twin sisters born in Clairborne,Tn 1874,Elizabeth Married John William DeHart born 1864 in Virginia bro.to Sparrow,parents deceased early years family friends"HALL?"(family) took them in,moved to Ark,Oklahoma,last residence John in Wister,okla,also for bio/parents to Charles(cooper)DeHart adopted by John in sep.1892,in S.McAlester Oklahoma,with last name legal change,parents were A.L.Cooper?,and Elizabeth,may have died of flu,?tobusky area?,coal miners,First child to John and Elizabeth Walter born in McAlester,1893.Thank you [email protected]

I have a Cooper who married my great, great great aunt in AR in the late 19th century. Hayden Cooper married Reba Lucy Bennett and their children were Ava and Al Cooper. Don't know if this helps. I don't know anything else about the family. All my Bennett's moved back and forth across AR and IT lines. Susan >Still looking for any information on A.L.Cooper last known residence was >South Canadian Indian Territory,Oklahoma 1890-1892 when son Charles Cooper >was a dopted by JOhn William DeHart in S.McAlester,with legaL NAME CHANGE TO >DEHART.JOhn DEHArt also owned several General Merchant >stores,POteau,Leflore,Holdinville,Kennaday.then baught a farm on "Goat >Ridge'' where he raised veg.live stoke and tobacco,some cotton.JOhns family >was from Patrick co,Wv,moved there for mineing may have owned a small >farm,died when John DeHart and Brother,were very young,took in by good family >friends maybe HALL,moved to Ark.Oklahoma.JOhns wife was Elizabeth >Haynes(hanes)DeHart twin sister Becky Haynes-Robertson....last address on >THese DeHarts is Wister,oklahoma.Any help tracying DEHarts and the >Cooper,Haynes appreciated.Tammy > >[email protected] > > > >==== Indian-Territory-Roots Mailing List ==== >For full instructions to subscribe, unsubscribe and list rules, click on >http://www.rootsweb.com/~cherokee/welcome.html >To send an e-mail to the list owner: [email protected] ============================================================================= Susan Werstein Phone: (03) 467-5632 Country code: 64 8 Lothian St. Dunedin, New Zealand E-Mail: [email protected] =============================================================================

Looking for info on these families and people from the Lower Appalachians. Particulary interested in Viars, Lawson and Gravley families any info would be appreciated :) Viars Family Louisa Elizabeth Viars born May 14, 1875 in Carrol, Va; died November 5,1958; buried in Draper, Pulaski, Va. Married Andrew Jackson Rakes They had 14 children. ( see below for Rakes) Father was Sparrel Viars of Carroll County, Va ( see Peter Viars below for note ) ( Sparrel married �Polly� or Mary Lawson) Thier eldest child James William Rakes( 1894-1954) married Cora Dell Viars. (1895-1983) Cora Dell Viars born in Austinsville?, Va in 1895; died in Lititz, Pa September 12, 1983; buried at Draper Valley Cemetary,Draper, Pulaski County, Va. She attended the Penecostal Holiness Church, Max Meadows, Va. Father was Peter Viars ( Sparrel Viars was also his father, see Louisa Viars above ) Mother was Loretta ( Luret ) Gravley * * not sure of spelling Siblings of Cora Viars : 1) Mary E. Viars ( Bishop) 2) Josie Viars ( Feris ) 3) Nettie Viars ( Sparks ) 4) Samuel Viars 5) Tasie or Tazzy Viars 6) Ruben or Reuben Viars 7) William Viars, Sr. James and Cora had 8 children. ( see Rakes Family ) Rakes Family 1. Andrew Jackson1 Rakes, born 6 Jul 1860 in , Franklin, VA; died 19 Jun 1928 in Fort Chiswell, Wythe, VA; buried in Max Meadows, Wythe, VA, son of James Meredith Rakes and Virginia Terry. He married (1) on 18 Aug 1887 in , Franklin, VA Tabitha Catherine Bowles, born abt 1871 in , Franklin, VA; (2) on 25 Dec 1892 in Wythe, VA Louisa Elizabeth Viars, born 14 May 1875 in Carroll, VA; died 5 Nov 1958; buried in Draper, Pulaski, VA. BURIAL: 19 June 1928 in Sanders Ferry Cemetery, located between Wytheville and Fort Chiswell, VA. Notes for Tabitha Catherine Bowles Name: not sure of the spelling of first name; okay on Catherine. Notes for Louisa Elizabeth Viars PARENTS: Sparrel Viars of Carroll County, VA. BURIAL: Draper Valley Cemetery, Draper, VA. Children of Andrew Jackson Rakes and Tabitha Catherine Bowles were as follows: 2 i John W2 Rakes, born Apr 1895 in , , VA. Source: 1900 census of Franklin County, Long Branch dist, page 146. He is listed in the dwelling 61 of his grandfather James Rakes. 3 ii Tony2 Rakes, born Aug 1897 in , , VA. Source: 1900 census of Franklin County, Long Branch dist, page 146. He is listed in the dwelling 61 of his grandfather James Rakes. Children of Andrew Jackson Rakes and Louisa Elizabeth Viars were as follows: + 4 i James William2 Rakes, born 11 Mar 1894 in Wythe, VA; died 10 Jun 1954; buried in Draper, Pulaski, VA. He married Cora Dell Viars. 5 ii Mary McKinley2 Rakes, born Jun 1896; died 1904. + 6 iii Virginia Dorthulah2 Rakes, born 23 Jun 1898 in Wythe, VA. She married Parrish McPeak. + 7 iv John Roosevelt2 Rakes, born 22 Nov 1900 in Wythe, VA; died 11 Jan 1966; buried in Draper, WV. He married (1) Beatrice Hamilton; (2) Emmaline Cox. 8 v Nancy Elizabeth2 Rakes, born 21 Feb 1903 in Wythe, VA. She married Wayman McPeak. 9 vi Louise Frances2 Rakes, born 6 Aug 1906 in Wythe, VA. She married Roy McPeak. + 10 vii Tyler Jackson2 Rakes, born Jan 1908 in Wythe, VA. He married Edith Inez Osborne. + 11 viii Charles Ellis2 Rakes, born 24 Mar 1910 in Wythe, VA; died 6 Jan 1955; buried in Roderfield, WV. He married Sarah Mae Roberts. 12 ix Patty Alice2 Rakes, born Jun 1910 in Wythe, VA. She married Robert Crotts. + 13 x George Walter2 Rakes, born 2 Feb 1915 in Red Hill, Wythe, VA; died 5 Oct 1961 in Hemphill, WV. He married Bertha Delcina Stone. + 14 xi Irvin Slemp2 Rakes, born 16 Oct 1916 in Wythe, VA; died 2 Aug 1963; buried in Draper, WV. He married Dora Alma Fields. 15 xii Hellena "Hattie"2 Rakes, born Feb 1921; died 21 Oct 1921. 16 xiii Katie Pauline2 Rakes, born Jul 1924. 17 xiv Thelma Leota2 Rakes, born Sep 1925. Generation 2 4. James William2 Rakes (Andrew Jackson1), born 11 Mar 1894 in Wythe, VA; died 10 Jun 1954; buried in Draper, Pulaski, VA. He married Cora Dell Viars, died Sep 1983. Notes for James William Rakes SOURCE: Polly Street of Bluefield, WV, is responsible for supplying David Kyle Rakes with the bulk of the info on he descendants of Andrew Jackson Rakes. Children of James William Rakes and Cora Dell Viars were as follows: 18 i Raymond Buford3 Rakes. 19 ii Nettie Bebecca3 Rakes. 20 iii Clifford3 Rakes. 21 iv Mary Agness3 Rakes. 22 v Lillian Beatrice3 Rakes. 23 vi Virginia Lee3 Rakes. I have lots more info on the Rakes family ancestors AND descendants. Some of which is posted on my web site. The URL is listed below in my siganture. If you have any other questions regarding these families email me as I have lots more info that I have not posted on the Rakes. and a bit of other info not proven on the Viars, Gravley, and Lawson people. Thanks Yall!!!! Maybe I can help you or you can help me :) -Tabitha ===== "How we fought for our land is written in blood, look at your tracks before you speak of anothers faults" Tsu-le-hi-sa-nv-hi & U-s-ti So-qui-li http://www.geocities.com/wildfires_fury/ --Viars, Rakes, Gravely Genealogy __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Still looking for any information on A.L.Cooper last known residence was South Canadian Indian Territory,Oklahoma 1890-1892 when son Charles Cooper was a dopted by JOhn William DeHart in S.McAlester,with legaL NAME CHANGE TO DEHART.JOhn DEHArt also owned several General Merchant stores,POteau,Leflore,Holdinville,Kennaday.then baught a farm on "Goat Ridge'' where he raised veg.live stoke and tobacco,some cotton.JOhns family was from Patrick co,Wv,moved there for mineing may have owned a small farm,died when John DeHart and Brother,were very young,took in by good family friends maybe HALL,moved to Ark.Oklahoma.JOhns wife was Elizabeth Haynes(hanes)DeHart twin sister Becky Haynes-Robertson....last address on THese DeHarts is Wister,oklahoma.Any help tracying DEHarts and the Cooper,Haynes appreciated.Tammy [email protected]

Hello, I was wondering if there are any good resources for tracking Eastern Cherokee who gave up lands in TN and took up lands in AR around 1817? Also, does anyone know how I might trace families who stayed in AR or TN after removal of their friends and possibly some members of their family? How would I best trace their family members who were removed from these states-AR & TN, including GA, between 1823 and 1845? Thank you for any suggestions, Cassie

to texas by blood i found a nancy davis in the 1880 census of bigclifty ky draughter of thomas an martha davis age 15 probley not who your looking for medicen flower [email protected]

hello my name is medicen flower i am kin to the davis from ky an tenn kristine i read your email i have a thomas l davis on my family tree but he was married to a martha they had a son name frank an you said your thomas had a son named melvian i think thats right well my thomas had a draughter name melvinia reckon theres a conecssion medicen flower [email protected]

Pat said: "My Great-grandfather was in Texas in 1880, but came to Oklahoma shortly after that. They lived in Braggs, Oklahoma. I found them either on the 1900 or 1910 census. His wife was SARAH PERRYMORE. Children; LONNY, CHARLOTTE MALINDA ( my grandmother) BEULAH, EVA, FANNY, and five other MOWERY that are unknown." ~~~~~~~~ Bingo! Prior to coming to Braggs, Indian Territory in 1891, John had lived 7 miles northeast of Clarksville, in Red River County TX. John's mother was Malinda (Gideon) Mowery, daughter of Francis Gideon. In his application John said that his grandfather; Francis Gideon was Cherokee, had been born & raised in NC and came to TX about 1840. But there was no evidence that anyone by the name of "Gideon" had ever been a citizen in the eastern nation, nor was anyone by that surname shown on the 1835 rolls of the eastern Cherokees. Francis Gideon had never been a resident/citizen of the Cherokee Nation of Indian Territory. If he were Cherokee, then he had left the tribe prior to the 1835 Henderson Roll taken in the east, and never went into the Cherokee Nation of Indian Territory and established his citizenship after his arrival in the west. One of the requirements for an applicant to be "readmitted to citizenship" (and included on the Dawes Roll) was that the applicant and/or their direct ancestor had to, at one time, been a RESIDENT/citizen of the (western) Cherokee Nation. Therefore- John and all of those who claimed through him were rejected. William was the oldest child listed by John- he was "age 24" in 1896 and married to Sarah- age 26. Their daughter was Stella, age 2. "Lonnie" was actually "Alonzo" (age 19), then Beula (age 16), Evea (age 12), Lottie (Charlotta? age 8) and (? could be Fannie- age 2). John had three witnesses, but they could only testify of living near them in TX and did not offer any evidence of Francis Gideon's prior residence with the tribe in NC. Hope this helps. :o) jc

Jerri, About the Oklahoma Archives, would that be the Muskogee library...Wally Waits Gen. Librarian? Would they have any application info for the Five Civ. they could photocopy? I would like to get some info from NARA.gov but am not sure the person listed is my ancestor and it IS expensive - especially those pesky misses. Any suggestions? We have relatives that applied in 1907 for the Dawes and were on the Creek Nation Cases lists. If we could access the applications and ascertain the names of their grandparents, location, etc.... Funny thing about our family HAWKINS, there are a billion David's, William's, Benjamin's, Lavonia's in IT.... I suspect there may be relation to Col. Benj. Hawkins, Indian Agent and Lavinia but no proof yet and I think one of ours might have been the illegitimate son. Anyone here from that family that can help? Roxanne Haileselassie (am not bragging...seeking info only...respect and honor desired...no flaming private e-mails please)<br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href="http://explorer.msn.com">http://explorer.msn.com</a><br></p>

Pat said: " Jerri, Thank you so very much for explaining this for me. I wasn't sure about the case number". Pat, before you spend a bunch of money ordering document (it can get expensive!) better make sure this is your ancestor. Have you verified where your ancestor would have been living at the time of the 1880 and 1900 U.S. census? What was his wife and children's names? jc

Pat wrote: "I found my grandfather listed on the Dawes applications, but he is not listed on the rolls. There is a case number listed. My question, would I be able to obtain a copy of this application?" Pat, It's application #3414 and is on m/film roll 1650-42. It's not much of a copy- very dim. You can order a copy from the Nation Archives at Ft Worth, but tell them that it's not on the regular Dawes application-- it's one of those that were submitted in 1896. The Oklahoma Archives "may" have a copy of it- you can contact them at http://www.ok-history.mus.ok.us/library/introduc.htm. jc

Cathy, Thought this might help you, http://www.vitalrec.com/ok.html or Click below. <A HREF="http://www.vitalrec.com/ok.html"> Click here: Oklahoma Vital Records Information - birth or death certificate, divorce records, marriage license, etc</A> <<From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Has anyone out there tried to find a death certificate for someone who died in Indian Territory before Oklahoma was a state???????? My ggrandfather died in Murray county just about 1885 or so..........anyone have any idea if the Chickasaw nation kept any kind of records of the whites on pass???? Thanks all help welcome......Cathy >>

Cathy, I'm in Oklahoma City, and I have been told by the State Health Dept (they handle the death/birth certs) that records start at 1907 when OK became a state. I don't know if the Chickasaw Tribal Nation itself kept those records or not. They are located in Ada, OK in Pontotoc county. Hope this helps. Jann

Has anyone out there tried to find a death certificate for someone who died in Indian Territory before Oklahoma was a state???????? My ggrandfather died in Murray county just about 1885 or so..........anyone have any idea if the Chickasaw nation kept any kind of records of the whites on pass???? Thanks all help welcome......Cathy

I found my grandfather listed on the Dawes applications, but he is not listed on the rolls. There is a case number listed. My question, would I be able to obtain a copy of this application? Thanks, Pat

Thought some of you might find something here. Title: Three years among the Indians and Mexicans http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/html/james/jamesint.html I think I have seen someone ask about james and John Rogers. They are both mentioned in chaper 7 Else