Dear Nanda Kumar, I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but I find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court action, is going to restore the former rights or position of the ruling families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the accession of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the abolition of the Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite irrevocable. I am assuming that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the agreement with the princes and abolished their rights and payments previously agreed to, and their constitutional protections, that the matter was litigated at the time and decided adversely to the princes. Am I right about that? It would be interesting to know if that question has been decided by an Indian appellate court, and to read the court's decision if a citation to it can be found. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of them plese On 09/02/2008, Epicure <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia and > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both being > her political opponents. > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > congress party, which is a well known fact. > SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abhinn" <abhinn@sancharnet.in> > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > Dear All. > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 > > times . > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > living > then > > was not imaginable. > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > three > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > INDIA > only > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > the story today. > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are > > not the same......................... > > > > Natwar > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> > > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet > >> a specific a purpose > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just > >> Rs. > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive > to > >> malign. > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > >> slinging match with either the > Dewan, > >> or > >> his publishers. > >> Best Wishes! > >> SHYAM > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> > >> To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > >> > >> > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > >>> > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > >>> issued > in > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > >>> the > book > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > >>> known, > is > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > >>> grateful for > guidance. > >>> > >>> David Phillips > >>> San Francisco > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > >>> destroy > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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Mrs. Gandhi was astute enough to build up public opinion against old royals and ensured that abolition of privy purses ( and associated privileges ) was not challengable in the courts of India. This stems from the fact that as per democracy, the legislature can pass laws which may be contrary to normal principles of justice. The courts can only intrepret the laws which have been duly promulgated. The above aboltion was challenged in the Internation Court of Justice at the Hague, where the royalty was represented by Dr. Nagendra Singh, a scion of former royal family from Rajasthan but nothing came out of that too. PKS DPhillips@fbm.com wrote: Dear Nanda Kumar, I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but I find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court action, is going to restore the former rights or position of the ruling families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the accession of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the abolition of the Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite irrevocable. I am assuming that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the agreement with the princes and abolished their rights and payments previously agreed to, and their constitutional protections, that the matter was litigated at the time and decided adversely to the princes. Am I right about that? It would be interesting to know if that question has been decided by an Indian appellate court, and to read the court's decision if a citation to it can be found. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of them plese On 09/02/2008, Epicure wrote: > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia and > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both being > her political opponents. > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > congress party, which is a well known fact. > SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abhinn" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > Dear All. > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 > > times . > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > living > then > > was not imaginable. > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > three > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > INDIA > only > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > the story today. > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are > > not the same......................... > > > > Natwar > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Epicure" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet > >> a specific a purpose > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just > >> Rs. > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive > to > >> malign. > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > >> slinging match with either the > Dewan, > >> or > >> his publishers. > >> Best Wishes! > >> SHYAM > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > >> > >> > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > >>> > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > >>> issued > in > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > >>> the > book > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > >>> known, > is > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > >>> grateful for > guidance. > >>> > >>> David Phillips > >>> San Francisco > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > >>> destroy > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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