Dr Nagindra Singh of Dungarpur was a member of the International Court of Justice as a full Judge not an advocate for the Princes. Mandeep On 19/02/2008, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Mrs. Gandhi was astute enough to build up public opinion against old > royals and ensured that abolition of privy purses ( and associated > privileges ) was not challengable in the courts of India. This stems from > the fact that as per democracy, the legislature can pass laws which may be > contrary to normal principles of justice. The courts can only intrepret the > laws which have been duly promulgated. > The above aboltion was challenged in the Internation Court of Justice at > the Hague, where the royalty was represented by Dr. Nagendra Singh, a scion > of former royal family from Rajasthan but nothing came out of that too. > > PKS > > DPhillips@fbm.com wrote: > Dear Nanda Kumar, > > I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but I > find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court action, > is going to restore the former rights or position of the ruling > families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the accession > of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the abolition of the > Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite irrevocable. I am assuming > that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the agreement with the princes and > abolished their rights and payments previously agreed to, and their > constitutional protections, that the matter was litigated at the time > and decided adversely to the princes. Am I right about that? It would > be interesting to know if that question has been decided by an Indian > appellate court, and to read the court's decision if a citation to it > can be found. > > David Phillips > San Francisco > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing > > > hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a > attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to > support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of > them plese > > > > On 09/02/2008, Epicure wrote: > > > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than > > > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have > > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia > and > > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both > being > > her political opponents. > > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > > congress party, which is a well known fact. > > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Abhinn" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of > today > > > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 > > > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 > > > times . > > > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > > living > > then > > > was not imaginable. > > > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > > three > > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > > INDIA > > only > > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > > the story today. > > > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are > > > not the same......................... > > > > > > Natwar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Epicure" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet > > >> a specific a purpose > > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of > just > > >> Rs. > > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a > motive > > to > > >> malign. > > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > > >> slinging match with either the > > Dewan, > > >> or > > >> his publishers. > > >> Best Wishes! > > >> SHYAM > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >> > > >> > > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > > >>> > > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > > >>> issued > > in > > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > > >>> the > > book > > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > > >>> known, > > is > > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > > >>> grateful for > > guidance. > > >>> > > >>> David Phillips > > >>> San Francisco > > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > > >>> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > > >>> destroy > > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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Does anyone have the name or date of the ICJ case? If so I will try to hunt down the decision and see if I can find an Internet link to it that I can share with the group. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mandeep Singh Bajwa Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:41 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing Dr Nagindra Singh of Dungarpur was a member of the International Court of Justice as a full Judge not an advocate for the Princes. Mandeep On 19/02/2008, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Mrs. Gandhi was astute enough to build up public opinion against old > royals and ensured that abolition of privy purses ( and associated > privileges ) was not challengable in the courts of India. This stems > from the fact that as per democracy, the legislature can pass laws > which may be contrary to normal principles of justice. The courts can > only intrepret the laws which have been duly promulgated. The above > aboltion was challenged in the Internation Court of Justice at the > Hague, where the royalty was represented by Dr. Nagendra Singh, a > scion of former royal family from Rajasthan but nothing came out of > that too. > > PKS > > DPhillips@fbm.com wrote: > Dear Nanda Kumar, > > I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but > I find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court > action, is going to restore the former rights or position of the > ruling families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the > accession of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the > abolition of the Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite > irrevocable. I am assuming that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the > agreement with the princes and abolished their rights and payments > previously agreed to, and their constitutional protections, that the > matter was litigated at the time and decided adversely to the princes. > Am I right about that? It would be interesting to know if that > question has been decided by an Indian appellate court, and to read > the court's decision if a citation to it can be found. > > David Phillips > San Francisco > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing > > > hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a > attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to > support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of > them plese > > > > On 09/02/2008, Epicure wrote: > > > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better > > than > > > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have much on them to > > prove my contention that the Book was motivated and sponsored. The > > sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got against > > Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia > and > > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both > being > > her political opponents. > > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > > congress party, which is a well known fact. SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Abhinn" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of > today > > > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per > > > 10 > > > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a > > > 100 times . > > > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > > living > > then > > > was not imaginable. > > > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 > > > ( > > three > > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > > INDIA > > only > > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > > the story today. > > > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the > > > royal > > > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's > > > are not the same......................... > > > > > > Natwar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Epicure" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to > > >> meet a specific a purpose and was sold in its first edition at a > > >> ridiculously low price of > just > > >> Rs. > > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a > motive > > to > > >> malign. > > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > > >> slinging match with either the > > Dewan, > > >> or > > >> his publishers. > > >> Best Wishes! > > >> SHYAM > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >> > > >> > > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > > >>> > > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > > >>> issued > > in > > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > > >>> the > > book > > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > > >>> known, > > is > > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > > >>> grateful for > > guidance. > > >>> > > >>> David Phillips > > >>> San Francisco > > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > > >>> > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > _____ > > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended > > >>> recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy > > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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