Doesn't it seem more likely that Aurangzeb and Babur and other Muslim rulers destroyed Hindu temples for iconoclastic reasons, in the idol-smashing tradition most lately seen by the Taliban at Bamayan, rather than to avenge any particular violated rani? David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tyagi, Ashok Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:47 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi Everybody, I agree with Mr. Akshay, please do not write History to make things palatable. A plain simple fact that there is no existing temple in northern India which was built before Mogul or Islam Invasion and Rule (Mohamed Gori around 1100). The oldest temple before this period 1100 BC are found in Southern India (one very small Shiva temple is in Shavalik range, it is believed that it survive since it was well hidden in forest). Even the rulers like Baber who extensively wrote clearly mentions of Destruction of Temples in their Achievements. Beside Rulers other contemporary writers had independently collarabated these claims. No society sits down and make up lies from four corners of India. What had happened no need to justify with false and mischievous intensions. Ashok K. Tyagi -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of SHIVRAJPAL SINGH Sent: March 19, 2008 12:21 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi every body, I am very much agree with Mr Akshay , and wish to congratulate his efforts against this type of make ups. History dont need any clarifications "HISTORY SPEAKS ITSELF" Please dont follow the chinese theory where every ruler rewrite the history showing himself GREATEST and others/ previous rulers incapable. with regards akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They > took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay > their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath's seat." > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Yes. Absolutely -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DPhillips@fbm.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:51 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Doesn't it seem more likely that Aurangzeb and Babur and other Muslim rulers destroyed Hindu temples for iconoclastic reasons, in the idol-smashing tradition most lately seen by the Taliban at Bamayan, rather than to avenge any particular violated rani? David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tyagi, Ashok Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:47 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi Everybody, I agree with Mr. Akshay, please do not write History to make things palatable. A plain simple fact that there is no existing temple in northern India which was built before Mogul or Islam Invasion and Rule (Mohamed Gori around 1100). The oldest temple before this period 1100 BC are found in Southern India (one very small Shiva temple is in Shavalik range, it is believed that it survive since it was well hidden in forest). Even the rulers like Baber who extensively wrote clearly mentions of Destruction of Temples in their Achievements. Beside Rulers other contemporary writers had independently collarabated these claims. No society sits down and make up lies from four corners of India. What had happened no need to justify with false and mischievous intensions. Ashok K. Tyagi -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of SHIVRAJPAL SINGH Sent: March 19, 2008 12:21 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi every body, I am very much agree with Mr Akshay , and wish to congratulate his efforts against this type of make ups. History dont need any clarifications "HISTORY SPEAKS ITSELF" Please dont follow the chinese theory where every ruler rewrite the history showing himself GREATEST and others/ previous rulers incapable. with regards akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They > took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay > their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath's seat." > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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