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    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Gwaliar - news
    2. Henry Soszynski
    3. At 05:29 AM 18-03-08 -0400, you wrote: >Henry, > >Regarding Gwalior and the Angre family. > >Late  Sambhaji Rao Angre's mother was Chandra Bai Rane (Laxmibai Angre) who was the sister of Maharani Gajra Raje, the mother of Maharaja George Jivaji Rao Scindia of Gwalior.   Thus he was first cousin of the late Maharaja.  All best wishes > >Fr.Lawrence Ober, SJ > > Greetings Lawrence, Many thanks for outlining the relationship, most useful. Kind regards, Henry

    03/19/2008 12:31:41
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. Epicure
    3. Dear Mr Pabitra Saha, There is a constant atempt to whitewash the 'sins' of the Mughals, and this is one of those numerous attempts. The possibility of tampering with Hindu beliefs is all the more because they have never appeared in a collective manner against any statement or aggression against them. The said Mr. Pande is a known leftist, which makes him pro-Muslim (or anti-Hindu) by default. Would anyone ask Mr. Pandey to provide any substantial, tangible evidence to support his hypothesis? And justification has he coined for Mathura? Best wishes! SHYAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabitra saha" <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> To: "royalty" <INDIA-ROYALTY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm this? "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, they saw a flight of stairs that led to the basement. To their horror they found the missing Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord Vishwanath's seat." The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb ordered that as the sacred precincts have been despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some other place, the temple be razed to the ground and the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." with best wishes, pks --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/19/2008 11:23:51
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. Avinash Haldia
    3. Hi Mr. Pabitra, IF what you wrote is true then the whole history which we have read regarding Aurangzeb needs a drastic change. What you have written shows that Aurangzeb was not a fanatic but had respect for all religion and in fact was a true man. It is right that when a temple has been despoiled by the mahants and pujaris and pandits then it can not be considered as temple. Only confirmation of the incident is required from our knowledgeable friends of India Royalty. Thanks and regards, CA Avinash Haldia ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabitra saha" <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> To: "royalty" <INDIA-ROYALTY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 19/03/ 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm this? "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, they saw a flight of stairs that led to the basement. To their horror they found the missing Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord Vishwanath's seat." The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb ordered that as the sacred precincts have been despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some other place, the temple be razed to the ground and the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." with best wishes, pks --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/19/2008 11:07:35
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. Ajit Damle
    3. Yes. Absolutely -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DPhillips@fbm.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:51 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Doesn't it seem more likely that Aurangzeb and Babur and other Muslim rulers destroyed Hindu temples for iconoclastic reasons, in the idol-smashing tradition most lately seen by the Taliban at Bamayan, rather than to avenge any particular violated rani? David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tyagi, Ashok Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:47 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi Everybody, I agree with Mr. Akshay, please do not write History to make things palatable. A plain simple fact that there is no existing temple in northern India which was built before Mogul or Islam Invasion and Rule (Mohamed Gori around 1100). The oldest temple before this period 1100 BC are found in Southern India (one very small Shiva temple is in Shavalik range, it is believed that it survive since it was well hidden in forest). Even the rulers like Baber who extensively wrote clearly mentions of Destruction of Temples in their Achievements. Beside Rulers other contemporary writers had independently collarabated these claims. No society sits down and make up lies from four corners of India. What had happened no need to justify with false and mischievous intensions. Ashok K. Tyagi -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of SHIVRAJPAL SINGH Sent: March 19, 2008 12:21 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi every body, I am very much agree with Mr Akshay , and wish to congratulate his efforts against this type of make ups. History dont need any clarifications "HISTORY SPEAKS ITSELF" Please dont follow the chinese theory where every ruler rewrite the history showing himself GREATEST and others/ previous rulers incapable. with regards akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They > took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay > their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath's seat." > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVILEGED INFORMATION NOTICE This e-mail, and any attachments, may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, disclosure, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or reliance on this information may be unlawful and is strictly prohibited. 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    03/19/2008 07:50:02
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. Tyagi, Ashok
    3. Hi everyone, Leftist in India or in general all over are against the establishment or pervious established norm and practice, since there doctrine is new (Marx and Lenin). For them to destroy old, even though it is fact, partially achieve their goals. Hindus in India are significant majority there belief are rooted in their mother milk, if those belief are shaken then leftist have a opening. Leftist won Kerla state election in 1952, more or less they remain in power in this state. Leftist came in power in West Bengal in 1970s. They still rules this state. Kerla is a very small state and West Bengal is medium size state. But leftist realizes that they are not prospering further. There are many reasons (they must have analyze it). They always have supported congress in their need of hour (Minority Gov. like now or Indra Gandhi Gov. in 1970s). They never spoke against China attack on India 1962, even the defence minister of India at that time Mr. Krishnan Menon who was a life long leftist (! though he was in Congress) and friend of Mr. Jawaharlal Nehru was look warm and did not provide resources to Indian Army to face this attack via Budget. He was replaced during this war. For leftist message is destroy the old and majority, align with minority to grow. Ashok K. Tyagi -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of DPhillips@fbm.com Sent: March 19, 2008 12:28 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi As an American and an outsider to Indian politics (although I have studied Indian history and been to India many times), I am puzzled by Shyam's statement that "Mr. Pande is a known leftist, which makes him pro-Muslim (or anti-Hindu) by default." Leaving aside Mr. Pande's actual views, why would it appear that a leftist orientation (and does that mean Communist or what?) would be pro-Muslim or anti-Hindu? Islam seems like a pretty conservative ideology to me as an outsider, and in former times India was aligned with the USSR against a pro-US Pakistan. So I don't understand why leftist is considered equivalent to pro-Muslim. Can someone explain this to me? Thanks in advance. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Epicure Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:54 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Dear Mr Pabitra Saha, There is a constant atempt to whitewash the 'sins' of the Mughals, and this is one of those numerous attempts. The possibility of tampering with Hindu beliefs is all the more because they have never appeared in a collective manner against any statement or aggression against them. The said Mr. Pande is a known leftist, which makes him pro-Muslim (or anti-Hindu) by default. Would anyone ask Mr. Pandey to provide any substantial, tangible evidence to support his hypothesis? And justification has he coined for Mathura? Best wishes! SHYAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabitra saha" <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> To: "royalty" <INDIA-ROYALTY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm this? "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, they saw a flight of stairs that led to the basement. To their horror they found the missing Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord Vishwanath's seat." The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb ordered that as the sacred precincts have been despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some other place, the temple be razed to the ground and the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." with best wishes, pks --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel LLP ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVILEGED INFORMATION NOTICE This e-mail, and any attachments, may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, disclosure, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or reliance on this information may be unlawful and is strictly prohibited. AVIS D'INFORMATION CONFIDENTIELLE ET PRIVILÉGIÉE Le présent courriel, et toute pièce jointe, peut contenir de l'information qui est confidentielle, régie par les droits d'auteur, ou interdite de divulgation. 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    03/19/2008 07:17:29
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. Tyagi, Ashok
    3. Hi Everybody, I agree with Mr. Akshay, please do not write History to make things palatable. A plain simple fact that there is no existing temple in northern India which was built before Mogul or Islam Invasion and Rule (Mohamed Gori around 1100). The oldest temple before this period 1100 BC are found in Southern India (one very small Shiva temple is in Shavalik range, it is believed that it survive since it was well hidden in forest). Even the rulers like Baber who extensively wrote clearly mentions of Destruction of Temples in their Achievements. Beside Rulers other contemporary writers had independently collarabated these claims. No society sits down and make up lies from four corners of India. What had happened no need to justify with false and mischievous intensions. Ashok K. Tyagi -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of SHIVRAJPAL SINGH Sent: March 19, 2008 12:21 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi every body, I am very much agree with Mr Akshay , and wish to congratulate his efforts against this type of make ups. History dont need any clarifications "HISTORY SPEAKS ITSELF" Please dont follow the chinese theory where every ruler rewrite the history showing himself GREATEST and others/ previous rulers incapable. with regards akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis > (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and > went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. > After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath's seat." > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message CONFIDENTIAL AND PRIVILEGED INFORMATION NOTICE This e-mail, and any attachments, may contain information that is confidential, subject to copyright, or exempt from disclosure. Any unauthorized review, disclosure, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or reliance on this information may be unlawful and is strictly prohibited. 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    03/19/2008 06:47:02
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. Doesn't it seem more likely that Aurangzeb and Babur and other Muslim rulers destroyed Hindu temples for iconoclastic reasons, in the idol-smashing tradition most lately seen by the Taliban at Bamayan, rather than to avenge any particular violated rani? David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tyagi, Ashok Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:47 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi Everybody, I agree with Mr. Akshay, please do not write History to make things palatable. A plain simple fact that there is no existing temple in northern India which was built before Mogul or Islam Invasion and Rule (Mohamed Gori around 1100). The oldest temple before this period 1100 BC are found in Southern India (one very small Shiva temple is in Shavalik range, it is believed that it survive since it was well hidden in forest). Even the rulers like Baber who extensively wrote clearly mentions of Destruction of Temples in their Achievements. Beside Rulers other contemporary writers had independently collarabated these claims. No society sits down and make up lies from four corners of India. What had happened no need to justify with false and mischievous intensions. Ashok K. Tyagi -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of SHIVRAJPAL SINGH Sent: March 19, 2008 12:21 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Cc: inayati.raoshiv@gmail.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Hi every body, I am very much agree with Mr Akshay , and wish to congratulate his efforts against this type of make ups. History dont need any clarifications "HISTORY SPEAKS ITSELF" Please dont follow the chinese theory where every ruler rewrite the history showing himself GREATEST and others/ previous rulers incapable. with regards akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They > took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay > their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath's seat." > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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    03/19/2008 04:50:45
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. As an American and an outsider to Indian politics (although I have studied Indian history and been to India many times), I am puzzled by Shyam's statement that "Mr. Pande is a known leftist, which makes him pro-Muslim (or anti-Hindu) by default." Leaving aside Mr. Pande's actual views, why would it appear that a leftist orientation (and does that mean Communist or what?) would be pro-Muslim or anti-Hindu? Islam seems like a pretty conservative ideology to me as an outsider, and in former times India was aligned with the USSR against a pro-US Pakistan. So I don't understand why leftist is considered equivalent to pro-Muslim. Can someone explain this to me? Thanks in advance. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Epicure Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:54 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi Dear Mr Pabitra Saha, There is a constant atempt to whitewash the 'sins' of the Mughals, and this is one of those numerous attempts. The possibility of tampering with Hindu beliefs is all the more because they have never appeared in a collective manner against any statement or aggression against them. The said Mr. Pande is a known leftist, which makes him pro-Muslim (or anti-Hindu) by default. Would anyone ask Mr. Pandey to provide any substantial, tangible evidence to support his hypothesis? And justification has he coined for Mathura? Best wishes! SHYAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "pabitra saha" <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> To: "royalty" <INDIA-ROYALTY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm this? "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande unravelled the reason for it. "While Aurangzeb was passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. "Army pickets were posted on the five mile route to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to be found nowhere. "When Aurangzeb came to know of this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, they saw a flight of stairs that led to the basement. To their horror they found the missing Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord Vishwanath's seat." The Rajas demanded salutary action, and "Aurangzeb ordered that as the sacred precincts have been despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some other place, the temple be razed to the ground and the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished." ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." with best wishes, pks --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel LLP

    03/19/2008 03:28:08
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. SHIVRAJPAL SINGH
    3. Hi every body, I am very much agree with Mr Akshay , and wish to congratulate his efforts against this type of make ups. History dont need any clarifications "HISTORY SPEAKS ITSELF" Please dont follow the chinese theory where every ruler rewrite the history showing himself GREATEST and others/ previous rulers incapable. with regards akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. “While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > “Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis > (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and > went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. > After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. “When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath’s seat.” > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and “Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished.” > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

    03/19/2008 03:20:50
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. akshay chavan
    3. Hi My verdict on this just two words - "ABSOLUTE NONSENSE". It is a typical leftist attempt to whitewash history and must be contested. The attempt is to show how aurangzeb was "secular" (with complete desi interpretation of the word). And what would be thier justification for demolition of Mathura, Somnath and hundereds of other temples in maharashtra , bundelkhand , rajasthan etc.... I suspect the answer would be - Aurangzeb did these to punish the "rebellious" Marathas, Rajputs and Bundelas blah blah blah . This writing reminds me of european writers who believe holocaust never happened. I strongly believe that we should not judge past by today's values but this does not mean that we should whitewash history. Regards Akshay --- pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm > this? > > "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is > of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras > (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande > unravelled the reason for it. “While Aurangzeb was > passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the > Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the > halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to > Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their > homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. > “Army pickets were posted on the five mile route > to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis > (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and > went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. > After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned > except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search > was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to > be found nowhere. “When Aurangzeb came to know of > this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior > officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they > found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the > wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, > they saw a flight of stairs that led to the > basement. To their horror they found the missing > Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her > ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord > Vishwanath’s seat.” > The Rajas demanded salutary action, and “Aurangzeb > ordered that as the sacred precincts have been > despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some > other place, the temple be razed to the ground and > the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished.” > ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, > Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." > > > > > with best wishes, > pks > > > --------------------------------- > Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! > for Good > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

    03/19/2008 12:15:20
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] Aurangzeb of Delhi
    2. pabitra saha
    3. I was recently given this detail. Can anyone confirm this? "One of the greatest charges against Aurangzeb is of the demolition of Vishwanath Temple in Banaras (Varanasi). That was a fact, but Dr. Pande unravelled the reason for it. “While Aurangzeb was passing near Varanasi on his way to Bengal, the Hindu Rajas in his retinue requested that if the halt was made for a day, their Ranis may go to Varanasi, have a dip in the Ganges and pay their homage to Lord Vishwanath. Aurangzeb readily agreed. “Army pickets were posted on the five mile route to Varanasi. The Ranis made journey on the palkis (palanquins). They took their dip in the Ganges and went to the Vishwanath Temple to pay their homage. After offering puja (worship) all the Ranis returned except one, the Maharani of Kutch. A thorough search was made of the temple precincts but the Rani was to be found nowhere. “When Aurangzeb came to know of this, he was very much enraged. He sent his senior officers to search for the Rani. Ultimately they found that statue of Ganesh which was fixed in the wall was a moveable one. When the statue was moved, they saw a flight of stairs that led to the basement. To their horror they found the missing Rani dishonoured and crying deprived of all her ornaments. The basement was just beneath Lord Vishwanath’s seat.” The Rajas demanded salutary action, and “Aurangzeb ordered that as the sacred precincts have been despoiled, Lord Vishwanath may be moved to some other place, the temple be razed to the ground and the Mahant (head priest) be arrested and punished.” ( Pande, Bishma Narain, Islam and Indian Culture, Khuda Bakhsh Oriental Public Library, Patna, 1987)." with best wishes, pks --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good

    03/18/2008 11:07:16
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] seeking some information
    2. abhijit malwade
    3. Dear Father, How r u? It has been so long since we wrote to each other. last time i sent you family tree of palanpur state and i am still waiting your comments on it. I am looking for the information about the wife of Yashwantrao Mukne, princess of Jath. do you have any information about her???? Regards Abhijit ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

    03/18/2008 10:35:36
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Gwaliar - news
    2. Henry Soszynski
    3. At 09:05 AM 17-03-08 +0000, you wrote: >see <http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080316/jsp/nation/story_9025593.jsp>http://w ww.telegraphindia.com/1080316/jsp/nation/story_9025593.jsp >       Thnak you for the interesting link. I had thought he had passed away some time ago. Does anyone his precise relationship to the late Rajmata of Gwalior. IIRC his mother and her mother-in-law were sisters. Names? Dates? Cheers, Henry

    03/18/2008 12:35:06
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Gwaliar - news
    2. Vilas Desai
    3. Is anyone got pics of Sardar Col. Sambhajirao Angre and his family members? Do anyone have list of other Sardars,Zamindars,Jahagirdars of Gwalior? Can anyone tell me whether anybody from Scindia family were present to his funeral? How he died? What was the cause? Do any Sardars,Zamindars,Jahagirdars are as close to Scindia family as Angre are? Vilas Henry Soszynski <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> wrote: At 09:05 AM 17-03-08 +0000, you wrote: >see http://w ww.telegraphindia.com/1080316/jsp/nation/story_9025593.jsp > Thnak you for the interesting link. I had thought he had passed away some time ago. Does anyone his precise relationship to the late Rajmata of Gwalior. IIRC his mother and her mother-in-law were sisters. Names? Dates? Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/18/2008 12:35:31
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Gwaliar - news
    2. Father Lawrence Ober, S.J.
    3. Henry, Regarding Gwalior and the Angre family. Late Sambhaji Rao Angre's mother was Chandra Bai Rane (Laxmibai Angre) who was the sister of Maharani Gajra Raje, the mother of Maharaja George Jivaji Rao Scindia of Gwalior. Thus he was first cousin of the late Maharaja. All best wishes Fr.Lawrence Ober, SJ

    03/17/2008 11:29:36
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] Gwaliar - news
    2. pabitra saha
    3. see http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080316/jsp/nation/story_9025593.jsp --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good

    03/17/2008 03:07:52
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] Gwaliar - news
    2. pabitra saha
    3. see http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080316/jsp/nation/story_9025593.jsp --------------------------------- Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! for Good

    03/17/2008 03:05:01
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] Hyderabad Jagirdars2
    2. Epicure
    3. Sorry Henry, The link does not open. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Soszynski" <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Hyderabad Jagirdars2 At 01:12 PM 26-02-08 -0800, you wrote: >Hi > >Regarding the hyderabad jagirdars, at this link is the >official list of all hyderabadi jagirs at the time of >its abolition in 1947. > ><http://apland.ap.nic.in/cclaweb/scan%20acts/jagirs%20regulation.htm>http: //apland.ap.nic.in/cclaweb/scan%20acts/jagirs%20regulation.htm > >The list is as follows: > >[Section 2(a)] > >List of Jamiyiat Jagirs > >1. Paigah Asmanjahi. > >2. Paigah Khurshid Jahi. > >3. Paigah Vicar-ul-Umra. > >4. Jagir of late Nawab Salar Jung Bahadur. > > > >5. Samasthan of Wanaparthy. > >6. Samasthan of Gadwal. > >7. Jagir of Rajah Sham Raj Bahadur. > >8. Jagir of Nawab Ghazi Jung Bahadur. > >9. Jagir of late Nawab Kamal Yar Jung Bahadur. > >10. Jagir of late Nawab Shaukat Jung Bahadur. > >11. Jagir of late Nawab Mehdi Jung Bahadur. > >12. Jagir of Nawab Ali Yavar Jung Bahadur. > >13. Jagir of Nawab Dost Mohd. Khan. > >14. Jagir of Khaja Behbud All Khan. > >15. Jagir of Shujaat Ali Khan. > >16. Jagir of Rabat Ali Khan. > >17. Jagir of Mir Imdad Ali Khan, S/o. >Azad Ali Khan. > >18. Jagir Mirza Sardar Ali Khan, Qiledar of >Malkhed. > >19. Jagir of Lt. Col. Umar Daraz Khan, Qiledar of >Golconda. > >20. Estate of Nawab Asker Jung Bahadur. > >21. Estate of Nawab Suraiya Jung Bahadur. > >22. Estate of Raja Krishna Rao. > >23. Estate of Bhatambra. > > > An interesting list, though I can't figure out why only two samasthans are mentioned, when there were something like 16 in Hyderabad which are said to have survived till independence. The more important ones mentioned were... Wanaparthi, Gadwal, Jetprole, Amarchinta, Palvancha, Gopalpet, Gurugunta, Kollapur and Anagundi. Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

    03/04/2008 02:18:06
    1. [INDIA-ROYALTY] Identification of Photos
    2. Epicure
    3. Dear Henry, The first picture has 'Raja Ratlam' scribbled on it. Ratlam is a situated in central India, bordering M.P and Maharashtra. the second link does not open. In fact I had to delete the repeated http://www.uq.net.au/~ from the end of the link to open the picture. Best Wishes! SHYAM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Soszynski" <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Identification of Photos > Greetings, > A couple of individuals to be identified. > 1. > <http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/unknown_ruler.jpg>http://www.uq.net.au/~ > zzhsoszy/ips/unknown_ruler.jpg > .. any ideas who he might be. What does the writing translate as? > > 2. > <http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/Mysteryman.jpg>http://www.uq.net.au/~zzh > soszy/ips/Mysteryman.jpg > .. any clues as to the identity of this man? IMHO he may not be a royal at > all. > The rather plain turban and the lack of medals or jewellry of any sort > seems to > indicate a lower social status. > > Cheers, > Henry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/04/2008 02:10:24
    1. Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] "Briton claims he is kin of Maharaja Duleep Singh"------Any comments?
    2. Mandeep Singh Bajwa
    3. High time we buried the saga of Duleep Singh and his descendants.All it does is to provide food for extreme right-wingers to propound their crazy theories. Mandeep On 03/03/2008, Henry Soszynski <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> wrote: > > At 11:25 AM 27-02-08 +0000, you wrote: > > > This is a news which appeared recently. Any comments ? > > > > P. K . Saha > > > > > > Goddard says he is the great grandson of the Maharaja > > LONDON: Maharaja Duleep Singh seems to have acquired a new great > grandson. A > retired debt recovery officer in London has just discovered that the blue > bloodline of the last king of the Sikhs runs through his veins. > > Bob Goddard stumbled across his royal past during a routine blood test. > The > 64-year-old is a regular blood donor and has the most common type of > blood, O > positive. But tests by the National Blood Service revealed that Goddard > has an > unusual combination of minor blood groups found only in people of Asian or > African origins. "I've always been a regular blood donor," said Goddard. > "A > doctor telephoned me and told me my blood group was very unusual with > factors > not seen in white northern Europeans," he added. > > Goddard told a cousin who was researching their family tree about the > discovery. He said said there was a mystery about who their grandfather's > parents had been. Goddard found that his grandfather Charlie Goddard was > born > in 1888 and was the illegitimate son of an unmarried serving maid at the > aristocratic Breckles Hall in Norfolk. "She would never say who the father > of > her child was but it was rumoured that he was an Indian prince who stayed > at > Breckles Hall," said Goddard. > > Maharaja Duleep Singh was born in 1838 and lost his kingdom to the > British > when he was only 11. He later set up residence in Elveden Hall in Suffolk > in > the UK and in 1864 married Bamba Muller, the daughter of a German > missionary. > She bore him three sons and three daughters ­ none of whom officially had > children. > > Although Goddard said it was not impossible for Duleep Singh to be his > great > grandfather, it is more likely to be his second son Frederick. Prince > Freddy, > born in 1868 was a renowned ladies man like his father and lived at > Breckles > Hall when Charlie Goddard was born. Bob Goddard was born in Harrow in 1944 > to > Charlie's son Stanley and his wife Olwen. Modest about his possible links > to > Indian royalty Goddard said "it's interesting, but it doesn't have any > real > effect on me." > > > Pabitra, an interesting article which seems to have caused bit of a splash > as > its been covered in a number of online English and Indian papers. It > certainly > sounds plausible. Another article mentioned (possibly tongue in cheek) > that in > Tetford today it is possible to detect the Duleep Singh nose. He > apparently > paid for the education of a number of children. > Cheers, > Henry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

    03/03/2008 11:36:22