Same here. Mandeep Bajwa ----- Original Message ----- From: "akshay chavan" <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Udaipur Never heard of him! Regards Akshay --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net> wrote: > From: Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net> > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Udaipur > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:40 AM > Greetings, > > Any one want to make a comment on the > following > email I have received. Any grain of truth in this matter? > > "As per the authentic sources, Maharana Chandrasinghji, the > real son > born of Maharana Bhupalsingh and queen Sheetal Surath > Devi was given > Rajyaabhisheka in 1934 and ruled Udaipur from 1934 to 1936, > till he > turned to Himalyas for Tapasya as a disciple of Swami > Tapovan Maharaj > and left his mortal coil on 02.06.1990.Why has this fact > failed to > find a proper place in your account of the royal lineage of > Udaipur? > It's high time we learn to record true history.I'll be glad > to have a > healthy response from you." > > Cheers, > Henry Soszynski > > PS thanks to all who gave their input on the Bari Sadri > question, I'm > sure that I'm going to hear more. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Greetings, Any one want to make a comment on the following email I have received. Any grain of truth in this matter? "As per the authentic sources, Maharana Chandrasinghji, the real son born of Maharana Bhupalsingh and queen Sheetal Surath Devi was given Rajyaabhisheka in 1934 and ruled Udaipur from 1934 to 1936, till he turned to Himalyas for Tapasya as a disciple of Swami Tapovan Maharaj and left his mortal coil on 02.06.1990.Why has this fact failed to find a proper place in your account of the royal lineage of Udaipur? It's high time we learn to record true history.I'll be glad to have a healthy response from you." Cheers, Henry Soszynski PS thanks to all who gave their input on the Bari Sadri question, I'm sure that I'm going to hear more.
Never heard of him! Regards Akshay --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net> wrote: > From: Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net> > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Udaipur > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 4:40 AM > Greetings, > > Any one want to make a comment on the > following > email I have received. Any grain of truth in this matter? > > "As per the authentic sources, Maharana Chandrasinghji, the > real son > born of Maharana Bhupalsingh and queen Sheetal Surath > Devi was given > Rajyaabhisheka in 1934 and ruled Udaipur from 1934 to 1936, > till he > turned to Himalyas for Tapasya as a disciple of Swami > Tapovan Maharaj > and left his mortal coil on 02.06.1990.Why has this fact > failed to > find a proper place in your account of the royal lineage of > Udaipur? > It's high time we learn to record true history.I'll be glad > to have a > healthy response from you." > > Cheers, > Henry Soszynski > > PS thanks to all who gave their input on the Bari Sadri > question, I'm > sure that I'm going to hear more. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >
what do you need the photos for? anything particular? > Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:39:28 +0530 > From: nanavatidilip@gmail.com > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > CAN I HAVE THE OLD FESTIVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF ROYALTY > > On 1/19/10, Khim Chandaria <Khim@deekayproperty.com> wrote: > > > > Thakur > > Khim Chandaria > > Kimberley House > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com < > > india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com> > > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tue Jan 19 07:05:41 2010 > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > > > > > I think it is Maharaj, Because this state was ruled by the Jhalas & their > > surname is Maharaj also. > > > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:39 +1000 > > > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > > > From: zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net > > > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > > > > > Greetings all, > > > Just a quick question. What would be the title > > > of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? > > > Is it Thakur or Maharaj? > > > > > > TIA > > > Cheers, > > > Henry > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. > > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > Dilip M.Nanavati > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
CAN I HAVE THE OLD FESTIVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF ROYALTY On 1/19/10, Khim Chandaria <Khim@deekayproperty.com> wrote: > > Thakur > Khim Chandaria > Kimberley House > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com < > india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com> > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue Jan 19 07:05:41 2010 > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > > I think it is Maharaj, Because this state was ruled by the Jhalas & their > surname is Maharaj also. > > > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:39 +1000 > > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > > From: zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net > > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > > > Greetings all, > > Just a quick question. What would be the title > > of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? > > Is it Thakur or Maharaj? > > > > TIA > > Cheers, > > Henry > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. > http://windows.microsoft.com/shop > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Dilip M.Nanavati
I think it is Maharaj, Because this state was ruled by the Jhalas & their surname is Maharaj also. > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:39 +1000 > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > From: zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > Greetings all, > Just a quick question. What would be the title > of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? > Is it Thakur or Maharaj? > > TIA > Cheers, > Henry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
It's Very sad that Ranasaheb is not i us. Regards Ranjeet Singh Jodha > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:49:43 +0530 > From: bksinghdeo@gmail.com > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Ranasaheb of Kathiwada passed away > > Sad to hear the news. I have met him on a few occasions at Bhubaneswar, > Orissa. If I am not mistaken her sister who passed away about two years back > was the Rajmata of Hindol. > > Speaking of Rulers born around 1910, The Raja Saheb of Tigiria born in 1921 > is still living. He is the last Ruler alive in Orissa, who had signed the > merger agreement. > > The Senior Rajmata of Patiala, 1st wife of Maharaja Yadavendra Singh lives > in Bhubaneswar. She was born in November 1914. She is the 2nd princess of > Seraikella, daughter of Raja Aditya Pratap Singh Deo > > Regards > > B.K. Singh Deo > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:41 AM, BIKRAM KESARI SINGH DEO < > bksinghdeo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net>wrote: > > > >> At 02:08 PM 17/01/2010, you wrote: > >> >Hi All, > >> > > >> >Its sad to inform to the group about the demise of Ranasaheb Shri > >> >Jayendrasinhji of kathiwada on 12 Jan 2010. He is succeded by his > >> >grandson, Yuvraj Digvijaysinh (now present Rana) > >> > > >> >Regards, > >> >Abhijit > >> > >> Sad indeed, the venerable Ranasaheb was aged 93 years and was head of > >> this family for 41 years. His son and heir had predeceased him in 2005. > >> He may very well be one of the last 'rulers' born in 1910's to have > >> survived this far. > >> > >> Kind regards, > >> Henry > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > B.K. Singh Deo > > N-3/382 IRC Village, Nayapalli > > Bhubaneswar 751015 > > Tel: (0674) 2551262, 09337125371 (M) > > Fax:(0674) 2551262 > > > > > > -- > B.K. Singh Deo > N-3/382 IRC Village, Nayapalli > Bhubaneswar 751015 > Tel: (0674) 2551262, 09337125371 (M) > Fax:(0674) 2551262 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop
Sad to hear the news. I have met him on a few occasions at Bhubaneswar, Orissa. If I am not mistaken her sister who passed away about two years back was the Rajmata of Hindol. Speaking of Rulers born around 1910, The Raja Saheb of Tigiria born in 1921 is still living. He is the last Ruler alive in Orissa, who had signed the merger agreement. The Senior Rajmata of Patiala, 1st wife of Maharaja Yadavendra Singh lives in Bhubaneswar. She was born in November 1914. She is the 2nd princess of Seraikella, daughter of Raja Aditya Pratap Singh Deo Regards B.K. Singh Deo On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:41 AM, BIKRAM KESARI SINGH DEO < bksinghdeo@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net>wrote: > >> At 02:08 PM 17/01/2010, you wrote: >> >Hi All, >> > >> >Its sad to inform to the group about the demise of Ranasaheb Shri >> >Jayendrasinhji of kathiwada on 12 Jan 2010. He is succeded by his >> >grandson, Yuvraj Digvijaysinh (now present Rana) >> > >> >Regards, >> >Abhijit >> >> Sad indeed, the venerable Ranasaheb was aged 93 years and was head of >> this family for 41 years. His son and heir had predeceased him in 2005. >> He may very well be one of the last 'rulers' born in 1910's to have >> survived this far. >> >> Kind regards, >> Henry >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > B.K. Singh Deo > N-3/382 IRC Village, Nayapalli > Bhubaneswar 751015 > Tel: (0674) 2551262, 09337125371 (M) > Fax:(0674) 2551262 > -- B.K. Singh Deo N-3/382 IRC Village, Nayapalli Bhubaneswar 751015 Tel: (0674) 2551262, 09337125371 (M) Fax:(0674) 2551262
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Henry Soszynski <zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net>wrote: > At 02:08 PM 17/01/2010, you wrote: > >Hi All, > > > >Its sad to inform to the group about the demise of Ranasaheb Shri > >Jayendrasinhji of kathiwada on 12 Jan 2010. He is succeded by his > >grandson, Yuvraj Digvijaysinh (now present Rana) > > > >Regards, > >Abhijit > > Sad indeed, the venerable Ranasaheb was aged 93 years and was head of > this family for 41 years. His son and heir had predeceased him in 2005. > He may very well be one of the last 'rulers' born in 1910's to have > survived this far. > > Kind regards, > Henry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- B.K. Singh Deo N-3/382 IRC Village, Nayapalli Bhubaneswar 751015 Tel: (0674) 2551262, 09337125371 (M) Fax:(0674) 2551262
At 02:08 PM 17/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Its sad to inform to the group about the demise of Ranasaheb Shri >Jayendrasinhji of kathiwada on 12 Jan 2010. He is succeded by his >grandson, Yuvraj Digvijaysinh (now present Rana) > >Regards, >Abhijit Sad indeed, the venerable Ranasaheb was aged 93 years and was head of this family for 41 years. His son and heir had predeceased him in 2005. He may very well be one of the last 'rulers' born in 1910's to have survived this far. Kind regards, Henry
Well, Maharajkumar Ranjitsinhji says, the ruler would be Raj Rana and his collateral male relatives would be Kunwar sahib. hope this helps. Arjun On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:19:31 +0530 wrote >Greetings all, Just a quick question. What would be the title of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? Is it Thakur or Maharaj? TIA Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Regret Khim Chandaria Kimberley House ----- Original Message ----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com <india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com> To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon Jan 18 23:32:08 2010 Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Ranasaheb of Kathiwada passed away At 02:08 PM 17/01/2010, you wrote: >Hi All, > >Its sad to inform to the group about the demise of Ranasaheb Shri >Jayendrasinhji of kathiwada on 12 Jan 2010. He is succeded by his >grandson, Yuvraj Digvijaysinh (now present Rana) > >Regards, >Abhijit Sad indeed, the venerable Ranasaheb was aged 93 years and was head of this family for 41 years. His son and heir had predeceased him in 2005. He may very well be one of the last 'rulers' born in 1910's to have survived this far. Kind regards, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
Thakur Khim Chandaria Kimberley House ----- Original Message ----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com <india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com> To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue Jan 19 07:05:41 2010 Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri I think it is Maharaj, Because this state was ruled by the Jhalas & their surname is Maharaj also. > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:52:39 +1000 > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > From: zzhsoszy@uqconnect.net > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri > > Greetings all, > Just a quick question. What would be the title > of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? > Is it Thakur or Maharaj? > > TIA > Cheers, > Henry > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ New Windows 7: Simplify what you do everyday. Find the right PC for you. http://windows.microsoft.com/shop ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
Greetings all, Just a quick question. What would be the title of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? Is it Thakur or Maharaj? TIA Cheers, Henry
Thakur Khim Chandaria Kimberley House ----- Original Message ----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com <india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com> To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon Jan 18 22:52:39 2010 Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Bari Sadri Greetings all, Just a quick question. What would be the title of the collateral male relatives of the Raj Ranas of Bari Sadri? Is it Thakur or Maharaj? TIA Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________
Hi All, Its sad to inform to the group about the demise of Ranasaheb Shri Jayendrasinhji of kathiwada on 12 Jan 2010. He is succeded by his grandson, Yuvraj Digvijaysinh (now present Rana) Regards, Abhijit The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Please read this interesting, if obviously adoring, writeup on the autobiography of the incumbent Maharaja of Travancore HH Uthradom Thirunal Marthanda Varma. http://news.rediff.com/column/2010/jan/06/the-maharaja-the-state-and-the-temple.htm thanks Arjun
see http://www.telegraphindia.com/1100112/jsp/opinion/story_11969857.jsp
Thank you very much Akshay ! You are right and the tale as well ! I just wanted to give a finishing touch to your very intersting article. Now your article can be historically correct as well. Thanks Khalid Bin Umar khalidkoraivi@yahoo.com / khalid.umar@in.ey.com akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> Sent by: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com 01/11/2010 05:20 PM Thanks for sharing this important research. The source of my tale is the book " Days of the Beloved" which has tales and legends of old Hyderabad. Different books state the different tale. I have only stated the popular folklore based on the sources which I found. Your contributions is thoroughly appreciated. Regards Akshay --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Khalid.Umar@in.ey.com <Khalid.Umar@in.ey.com> wrote: > From: Khalid.Umar@in.ey.com <Khalid.Umar@in.ey.com> > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Kulcha: The Official Emblem of the Nizams of Hyderabad > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Cc: india-royalty-l@rootsweb.com, india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 12:12 PM > Dear Mr.Akshay > Though you have quoted the popular legend of Kulcha offered > to Mir > Qamar-ud-din Asaf Jah I but there are certain blunders that > need your > attention with subsequent correction. > 1- Hazrat Nizamuddin Aulia was not alive during Mir > Qamar-ud-din?s period. > Meer Qamar-ud-din was born in 1671 and died in 1748 as the > first Asaf Jah > or Nizam of Subah Dakkan. While you would know that > Nizamuddin Aulia died > in 1325 AD, some 400 years before Asaf Jah. Therefore this > attribution to > him is certainly wrong. > 2-Regarding the legend, as I would relate it later, there > are several > versions > · Once, during the Deccan > campaign, Mir Qamar-ud-din had lost his > way in the wilderness. As night was gathering, he saw a > faint, flickering > light in the distance. It turned out to be a fakir's hut. > The holy man, > who was about to sit down to his evening meal, asked the > young general to > join him. Qamar-ud-din, being hungry, did so, and during > the course of the > meal ate seven kulchas-- soft, flat discs of unleavened > bread. The fakir > urged him to eat some more. But Qamar-ud-din thanked him: > he had eaten his > fill, he said. Again the fakir urged him to eat some more. > Again > Qamar-ud-din declined politely. Then the fakir prophesied > that he would > soon become a king -- and as he had eaten seven kulchas, so > would his > dynasty rule for seven generations. > · The next oft-related tale > is that in 1724, while leaving Delhi for > the Deccan, Asaf Jah sought the blessings of a holy man. > The saint, about > to start his meal, offered the food to Asaf Jah who took a > few pieces of > the bread. The holy man kept asking him to take more. After > accepting > seven kulchas, Asaf Jah said he could take no more. The > saint then gave > his blessings and told him that he would be the first of > seven of his > dynasty to rule the Deccan. And so it came to be, for Mir > Osman Ali Khan > was the seventh and last Nizam who ruled the dominions of > Hyderabad. > · Third version ??.In one > of his journeys to the Deccan, Mir > Qamar-ud-din is said to have lost his way in a jungle. > Thirsty, hungry and > woe-bygone, he approached a saint for succor. All that the > saint could > offer him was dry baked bread (called kulcha) and plain > water. The > exhausted noble had his fill and inspite of the saint's > insistence, could > eat no more than seven loaves. Thereupon the hermit > remarked : "My son you > have eaten seven kulchas. Your dynasty will rule for seven > generations. > God bless you." > 3-Now come to my research ???I had read this tale / legend > somewhere few > years back which seemed to me quite correct not only > historically but > factually also. The fact is the Mir Qamar-ud-din Chin > Qulich Khan Asaf > Jah I was the disciple of Hazrat Nizam-ud-din Aurangabadi , > Qutub-e-Deccan > , a saint who passed away in 1729 and whose tomb still > exits at Nizamuddin > Road, Shahganj in Aurangabad. When Mir Qamar-ud-din was > sent as the Nizam > ul Mulk of Deccan, he approached his mentor and asked for > his blessings, > the saint offered him cooked meat (with bones) along with > Rotis or Qulchas > which he took 7 qulcahs to his fill?? after that the > saint foretold his > rule over the dominion for 7 generations. It came true as > all of us know. > 4 -The legend that the Asaf Jahi flag carried the symbol of > the Kulcha in > memory of the incident of his having eaten seven Kulchas. > However, the > first Nizam did not accept this theory and in his diary as > recorded by his > chief secretary, Lala Mansa Ram, the Nizam stated that > actually the flag > carried a symbol of the moon which was derived from his own > name - > Qamar-ud-din (Qamar means moon). However the tradition > still stood firm > and when a new design of the flag submitted to Nizam VI > ,itwas approved by > him in 1899 with observation that the symbol was that of a > kulcha. Such > was the force of tradition that even a specific denial by > the subject > could not withstand it??and the kulcha became the > centerpiece of the > Hyderabad coat-of-arms. It would appear everywhere, from > the golden-yellow > state flag and the velvet ministerial insignias??. down to > the rank > markings on a policeman's epaulettes. > 5-Another fact is that there were 10 Nizams in real but > only seven are > considered the accepted and recognized as the proper Asaf > Jahs or Nizams.( > 3 were not granted the titles of Asaf Jah by the then > Mughal Emperors ) > I hope my submissions would be accepted and granted the > status of > acceptance. > With regards, > Khalid Bin Umar > > > > akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> > > Sent by: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > 01/08/2010 11:39 PM > > > > > My new blog article: > > Did you know that Nizams of Hyderabad were the only royal > dynasty in the > world to have a food product on their flag and the coat of > arms! Kulcha, > the north Indian delicacy, usually eaten with chole was > their proud > emblem. But why did the mighty Nizams of Hyderabad make the > humble kulcha > as their symbol insted of more exotic hyderabadi biryani? > Check out the > folklore behind it: > > http://akshay-chavan.blogspot.com/2010/01/kulcha-official-emblem-of-nizams-of.html > > > Follow on Facebook: > > http://www.facebook.com/Theakshaychavan?ref=name#/pages/Indian-Royalty-Maharajas-and-more/128834262589 > > > Regards > Akshay Chavan The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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Dear Mr.Akshay Though you have quoted the popular legend of Kulcha offered to Mir Qamar-ud-din Asaf Jah I but there are certain blunders that need your attention with subsequent correction. 1- Hazrat Nizamuddin Aulia was not alive during Mir Qamar-ud-din?s period. Meer Qamar-ud-din was born in 1671 and died in 1748 as the first Asaf Jah or Nizam of Subah Dakkan. While you would know that Nizamuddin Aulia died in 1325 AD, some 400 years before Asaf Jah. Therefore this attribution to him is certainly wrong. 2-Regarding the legend, as I would relate it later, there are several versions · Once, during the Deccan campaign, Mir Qamar-ud-din had lost his way in the wilderness. As night was gathering, he saw a faint, flickering light in the distance. It turned out to be a fakir's hut. The holy man, who was about to sit down to his evening meal, asked the young general to join him. Qamar-ud-din, being hungry, did so, and during the course of the meal ate seven kulchas-- soft, flat discs of unleavened bread. The fakir urged him to eat some more. But Qamar-ud-din thanked him: he had eaten his fill, he said. Again the fakir urged him to eat some more. Again Qamar-ud-din declined politely. Then the fakir prophesied that he would soon become a king -- and as he had eaten seven kulchas, so would his dynasty rule for seven generations. · The next oft-related tale is that in 1724, while leaving Delhi for the Deccan, Asaf Jah sought the blessings of a holy man. The saint, about to start his meal, offered the food to Asaf Jah who took a few pieces of the bread. The holy man kept asking him to take more. After accepting seven kulchas, Asaf Jah said he could take no more. The saint then gave his blessings and told him that he would be the first of seven of his dynasty to rule the Deccan. And so it came to be, for Mir Osman Ali Khan was the seventh and last Nizam who ruled the dominions of Hyderabad. · Third version ??.In one of his journeys to the Deccan, Mir Qamar-ud-din is said to have lost his way in a jungle. Thirsty, hungry and woe-bygone, he approached a saint for succor. All that the saint could offer him was dry baked bread (called kulcha) and plain water. The exhausted noble had his fill and inspite of the saint's insistence, could eat no more than seven loaves. Thereupon the hermit remarked : "My son you have eaten seven kulchas. Your dynasty will rule for seven generations. God bless you." 3-Now come to my research ???I had read this tale / legend somewhere few years back which seemed to me quite correct not only historically but factually also. The fact is the Mir Qamar-ud-din Chin Qulich Khan Asaf Jah I was the disciple of Hazrat Nizam-ud-din Aurangabadi , Qutub-e-Deccan , a saint who passed away in 1729 and whose tomb still exits at Nizamuddin Road, Shahganj in Aurangabad. When Mir Qamar-ud-din was sent as the Nizam ul Mulk of Deccan, he approached his mentor and asked for his blessings, the saint offered him cooked meat (with bones) along with Rotis or Qulchas which he took 7 qulcahs to his fill?? after that the saint foretold his rule over the dominion for 7 generations. It came true as all of us know. 4 -The legend that the Asaf Jahi flag carried the symbol of the Kulcha in memory of the incident of his having eaten seven Kulchas. However, the first Nizam did not accept this theory and in his diary as recorded by his chief secretary, Lala Mansa Ram, the Nizam stated that actually the flag carried a symbol of the moon which was derived from his own name - Qamar-ud-din (Qamar means moon). However the tradition still stood firm and when a new design of the flag submitted to Nizam VI ,itwas approved by him in 1899 with observation that the symbol was that of a kulcha. Such was the force of tradition that even a specific denial by the subject could not withstand it??and the kulcha became the centerpiece of the Hyderabad coat-of-arms. It would appear everywhere, from the golden-yellow state flag and the velvet ministerial insignias??. down to the rank markings on a policeman's epaulettes. 5-Another fact is that there were 10 Nizams in real but only seven are considered the accepted and recognized as the proper Asaf Jahs or Nizams.( 3 were not granted the titles of Asaf Jah by the then Mughal Emperors ) I hope my submissions would be accepted and granted the status of acceptance. With regards, Khalid Bin Umar akshay chavan <akshaychavan@yahoo.com> Sent by: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com 01/08/2010 11:39 PM My new blog article: Did you know that Nizams of Hyderabad were the only royal dynasty in the world to have a food product on their flag and the coat of arms! Kulcha, the north Indian delicacy, usually eaten with chole was their proud emblem. But why did the mighty Nizams of Hyderabad make the humble kulcha as their symbol insted of more exotic hyderabadi biryani? Check out the folklore behind it: http://akshay-chavan.blogspot.com/2010/01/kulcha-official-emblem-of-nizams-of.html Follow on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/Theakshaychavan?ref=name#/pages/Indian-Royalty-Maharajas-and-more/128834262589 Regards Akshay Chavan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The information contained in this communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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