I didn't know the Delwara family were Jhalas. Somehow my friend, Akshay Delwara, brother of the Raj Rana never mentioned it. Mandeep > The Kunadi family are Jhalas as are Delwara and Gogunda, all descended from > Sajja Singh of Halvad (Dhrangadhra), or are we talking about two different > Sajja Singh's? > Cheers, > Henry > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

At 09:50 AM 07/08/04 +0530, you wrote: >Very interesting. But aren't the Kunadi family Jhalas ? > >Mandeep >> >> >> There's an interesting parallel (up to a point) between M. Pratap Singh >and M. >> Arvind Singhji. When M. Udai Singh died in 1572, the Mewari nobles were >> dismayed to see that the Maharanas 2nd son, Jagmal, was to be the >successor >> and >> not the elder (Pratap). When Jagmal was about to ascend the gaddi two >nobles >> firmly grasped one elbow each of Jagmals and escorted him away saying >that, >> there was a mistake and that the gaddi was intended for Pratap. Jagmal had >no >> support and left Mewar trying to get help from the Mughal court. The >brothers >> were apparently later reconciled. >> The Devi Garh Palace seems to be now owned by Lekha and Anupam Poddar. >> The descendants of Sajja Singh are numerous and include the Raj Ranas of >> Delwara and Gogunda (in Mewar) and the Raj of Kunadi (in Kotah). >> Cheers, >> Henry The Kunadi family are Jhalas as are Delwara and Gogunda, all descended from Sajja Singh of Halvad (Dhrangadhra), or are we talking about two different Sajja Singh's? Cheers, Henry

AFAIK Mahendra is now the Maharana and styles himself as such while Arvind is content with the title of 'Shriji' which is what the Maharana is called by his courtiers. Mandeep > >> > Apparently correct, Maharaj Mahendra Singhji, basically disinherited himself > when he "left" the family. The court case dragged on for years. I'm fairly > certain that neither brother had the full support of all nobles nor even that > of family members. IIRC their mother supported Mahendra, but the sister > supported Arvind (apologies to Fr.Lawrence if I've stolen his thunder, > (welcome > to the list]) > Cheers, > Henry > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Very interesting. But aren't the Kunadi family Jhalas ? Mandeep > > > There's an interesting parallel (up to a point) between M. Pratap Singh and M. > Arvind Singhji. When M. Udai Singh died in 1572, the Mewari nobles were > dismayed to see that the Maharanas 2nd son, Jagmal, was to be the successor > and > not the elder (Pratap). When Jagmal was about to ascend the gaddi two nobles > firmly grasped one elbow each of Jagmals and escorted him away saying that, > there was a mistake and that the gaddi was intended for Pratap. Jagmal had no > support and left Mewar trying to get help from the Mughal court. The brothers > were apparently later reconciled. > The Devi Garh Palace seems to be now owned by Lekha and Anupam Poddar. > The descendants of Sajja Singh are numerous and include the Raj Ranas of > Delwara and Gogunda (in Mewar) and the Raj of Kunadi (in Kotah). > Cheers, > Henry > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

True, Mahendra Singh had fallen out with his father and therefore was overlooked for succeeding him. But the Thikanedars took a strong stand and refused to accept Arvind Singh as the Maharana. The position now is that Mahendra Singh is the Maharana and Arvind Singh is the owner of all the family property and the 'Custodian of the House of Mewar' as you so rightly put it. Mandeep ----- Original Message ----- From: akshay chavan <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Inquiring about Sajja Singh and Maharaja Pratap Singh > > As for as i know , Mahendra singh had officially > "Divorced" himself from the family, so automatically > had he renounced his claim to the raj gaddi . As a > result , Arvind singh became maharana. But he does not > call himself maharana . He is the "Custodian of house > of mewar" > > > > --- Mandeep Singh Bajwa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The Maharana is actually his elder brother, Mahendra > > Singh. Arvind Singh is > > however the owner of the entire family property. The > > late Maharana, Bhagwat > > Singh made Arvind Singh his successor through his > > will but the Thikanedars > > (Nobles) refused to accept the bypassing of the > > elder son and therefore > > Arvind Singh inherited the property but not the > > title. > > > > Mandeep Singh Bajwa, > > Chandigarh, > > India > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

At 12:54 AM 05/08/04 -0700, you wrote: > >As for as i know , Mahendra singh had officially >"Divorced" himself from the family, so automatically >had he renounced his claim to the raj gaddi . As a >result , Arvind singh became maharana. But he does not >call himself maharana . He is the "Custodian of house >of mewar" > > > >--- Mandeep Singh Bajwa <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The Maharana is actually his elder brother, Mahendra >> Singh. Arvind Singh is >> however the owner of the entire family property. The >> late Maharana, Bhagwat >> Singh made Arvind Singh his successor through his >> will but the Thikanedars >> (Nobles) refused to accept the bypassing of the >> elder son and therefore >> Arvind Singh inherited the property but not the >> title. >> >> Mandeep Singh Bajwa, >> Chandigarh, >> India >> Apparently correct, Maharaj Mahendra Singhji, basically disinherited himself when he "left" the family. The court case dragged on for years. I'm fairly certain that neither brother had the full support of all nobles nor even that of family members. IIRC their mother supported Mahendra, but the sister supported Arvind (apologies to Fr.Lawrence if I've stolen his thunder, (welcome to the list]) Cheers, Henry

At 07:12  04/08/04 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, >I am interested in learning more about the family >lineage of Sajja Singh and Maharaja Pratap Singh of >State of Mewar.  Who are their current descencents? >Where do they live now?  Who owns the Devi Garh palace >in Delwara? > >Thank you >alpa natha > There's an interesting parallel (up to a point) between M. Pratap Singh and M. Arvind Singhji. When M. Udai Singh died in 1572, the Mewari nobles were dismayed to see that the Maharanas 2nd son, Jagmal, was to be the successor and not the elder (Pratap). When Jagmal was about to ascend the gaddi two nobles firmly grasped one elbow each of Jagmals and escorted him away saying that, there was a mistake and that the gaddi was intended for Pratap. Jagmal had no support and left Mewar trying to get help from the Mughal court. The brothers were apparently later reconciled. The Devi Garh Palace seems to be now owned by Lekha and Anupam Poddar. The descendants of Sajja Singh are numerous and include the Raj Ranas of Delwara and Gogunda (in Mewar) and the Raj of Kunadi (in Kotah). Cheers, Henry

The Maharana is actually his elder brother, Mahendra Singh. Arvind Singh is however the owner of the entire family property. The late Maharana, Bhagwat Singh made Arvind Singh his successor through his will but the Thikanedars (Nobles) refused to accept the bypassing of the elder son and therefore Arvind Singh inherited the property but not the title. Mandeep Singh Bajwa, Chandigarh, India ----- Original Message ----- From: pabitra saha <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Inquiring about Sajja Singh and Maharaja Pratap Singh > Current Maharana Of Mewar/ Udaipur is Maharana Arvind Singh ji Mewar. He has two daughters and one son & lives in City Palace at Udaipur. > With best wishes, > P.K.Saha > > alpa natha <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > I am interested in learning more about the family > lineage of Sajja Singh and Maharaja Pratap Singh of > State of Mewar. Who are their current descencents? > Where do they live now? Who owns the Devi Garh palace > in Delwara? > > Thank you > alpa natha > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > --------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Current Maharana Of Mewar/ Udaipur is Maharana Arvind Singh ji Mewar. He has two daughters and one son & lives in City Palace at Udaipur. With best wishes, P.K.Saha alpa natha <[email protected]hoo.com> wrote: Hi, I am interested in learning more about the family lineage of Sajja Singh and Maharaja Pratap Singh of State of Mewar. Who are their current descencents? Where do they live now? Who owns the Devi Garh palace in Delwara? Thank you alpa natha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

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As for as i know , Mahendra singh had officially "Divorced" himself from the family, so automatically had he renounced his claim to the raj gaddi . As a result , Arvind singh became maharana. But he does not call himself maharana . He is the "Custodian of house of mewar" --- Mandeep Singh Bajwa <[email protected]> wrote: > The Maharana is actually his elder brother, Mahendra > Singh. Arvind Singh is > however the owner of the entire family property. The > late Maharana, Bhagwat > Singh made Arvind Singh his successor through his > will but the Thikanedars > (Nobles) refused to accept the bypassing of the > elder son and therefore > Arvind Singh inherited the property but not the > title. > > Mandeep Singh Bajwa, > Chandigarh, > India > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hi, I am interested in learning more about the family lineage of Sajja Singh and Maharaja Pratap Singh of State of Mewar. Who are their current descencents? Where do they live now? Who owns the Devi Garh palace in Delwara? Thank you alpa natha __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

I regret to inform you that Rajmata Devinder Kumari (80) of the former Princely state of Chamba and a former Himachal legislator, died at King Rashid Hospital in Dubai 27th June 2004 after a stroke. She was the wife of the late HH Raja Lakshman Singh and is survived by three sons and two daughters, all married. She was born into the Royal Family of Pratapgarh. (Thanks to hsingh for the link) Cheers, Henry

Check out this excellent website on princely flags. Unfortunately it is in italian but you can see the photos. Some flags are really wierd. http://www.rbvex.it/indiani.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

There have been a couple of additions, as follows. Danta: The Maharana of Danta has provided some information on his immediate family. Also have added the state crest to the page. Bilaspur: A new line of descent from Raja Kharak Chand (1813-1839) of Bilaspur. Dungarpur: Addition to the Thakurs of Nandli and a link back to Bilaspur. Cheers, Henry

At 09:25 AM 29/06/04 -0700, you wrote: >This horrific incident has happened very recently. I >cannot believe this can happen in 2004. The story may >be gruesome to read but the photo of half burnt 8 year >old boy which appeared in papers recently was too >shocking. The poor boy is burnt very bad and doctors >have suggested a plastic surgery. It look like >straight out of iraq . I am sickened by these so >called "Royals". > A sad story, all too prevelant and not just in India. Saudi employers have been known to inflict great pain and discomfort on their menials. Also Filipino employees in Malaysia suffer a great deal. There has even been one or two deaths reported. Not all the employers are Royal though. It just unfortunate that they get the majority of the publicity. Henry

This horrific incident has happened very recently. I cannot believe this can happen in 2004. The story may be gruesome to read but the photo of half burnt 8 year old boy which appeared in papers recently was too shocking. The poor boy is burnt very bad and doctors have suggested a plastic surgery. It look like straight out of iraq . I am sickened by these so called "Royals". ____________________________________________________ Royal couple torture 8-yr-old in Orissa Monday, 14 June , 2004, 11:03 Bhubaneswar: In a shocking incident, an eight-year-old child was tortured for months by a royal family in Kharial in western Orissa. The incident, however, came to light following intervention of a local NGO which demanded action against Bhubaneswar Singdeo and his wife Puspalat for causing grievous injury to their domestic help Prashant Mahak. Nuapada Superintendent of Police Madan Khatua on Sunday confirmed that the police have registered cases against the royal couple under section 342, 324 and 34 of the Indian Penal Code. Police said the boy, hailing from Polsara in south Orissa, had been staying with the royal couple for the last ten months. Meanwhile, Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik, who described the incident as terrible, assured that stringent action would be taken against the culprits. He also announced that the State Government would bear the medical expenses of the child who had sustained severe burn injuries. Orissa Minister of State for Labour and Employment Pradeep Nayak has directed the District Labour Officer to conduct an inquiry into the incident and submit a report. The incident had sent shockwaves in the entire Nuapada district. Official sources said a team from the police headquarters would conduct an inquiry into the incident. _________________________________________________ Royal couple in child torture case missing By Bibhuti Mishra Wednesday, 23 June , 2004, 09:57 Scion of Khariar royal family Bhubaneswar Prasad Singhdeo and his wife Puspalata Singhdeo have been absconding after a child torture case hit the headlines. They had been accused of torturing their 8-year-old servant boy Prashant Nahak. Nahak was brought to work in the palace 'Lal Mahal' from Puspalata's native village Sodaka in Ganjam on August 23 last year. But he was badly treated. Puspalata has been accused of pouring boiling water on him and making him squat on a burning heater. The boy has severe burn injuries and medical reports have also found fractures in his frail body. A case under 'Juvenile Justice, Care and Protection Act 2000' was registered after the Officer-in-charge of Khariar Police station filed an FIR on June 12, 2004. The two-member Crime Branch team that investigated the allegations of child torture has found prima facie evidence to support the allegations. Teams have been despatched to track down the absconding royal couple who have incidentally filed an anticipatory bail petition at the Orissa High Court. The accused have contested that they have been falsely implicated because of political rivalry. The petition cites that the child was suffering from malnutrition and injuries and was treated at a Mission hospital where Puspalata seems to have given him blood. After Prashant Nahak's torture case came to light, a few other children who had worked at 'Lal Mahal' earlier have also come out against Puspalata. Nina of Junani village, who worked at the palace, said Puspalata was ill-tempered and would throw hot rice gruel on her and hit her at every pretext. Another boy, Minaketana of Gadarmunda village, also related a similar tale and said that because of torture, he had escaped some time back _____________________________________________________ Police seal Lal Mahal Statesman News Service CUTTACK, June 24. � Lal Mahal (Khariar Palace), the alleged theatre of the brutal and sensational torture of Prasant Nahak, an eight-year-old orphan, has been sealed by the Orissa police. The move was a part of the attachment of the properties of Mr Bhubaneswar Prasad Singhdeo and his wife Mrs Pushpalata Singhdeo for �compelling� the royal couple to surrender. A passenger bus owned by the couple was also seized by the Khariar police. Crime Branch sources here said the process of attachment of property of the royal couple was initiated yesterday with the seizure of a car and two passenger buses. The seizures were made in pursuance of the directions of the Court of the Judicial Magistrate (First Class) at Khariar in the event of the failure of Mr Bhubaneswar Singhdeo to produce himself before the Court. The Khariar police had registered a case under sections 342, 324, 326, and 34 of the Indian Penal Code along with Section 23 of the Juvenile Justice (Care & Protection of Children) Act against the royal couple on 12 June. But they have since been absconding in order to evade arrest ______________________________________________________ Royal couple under scrutiny for torture June 15, 2004 19:58 IST Lying on a bed in the surgical ward of the M K C G Medical College Hospital in Berhampur, 8-year-old Prasanta Nahak evokes sympathy among whoever comes across him. An orphan, Prasanta has been in the limelight following allegations that a couple, belonging to the erstwhile royal family of Khariar, had tortured the boy. Police have registered a case under various sections of the Indian Penal Code and also the Juvenile Justice (care and protection of children) Act against the couple, Bhubaneswar Singh Deo and Pushpalata, and the government had asked the Crime Branch to inquire into the matter. Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik has described it as a 'terrible incident' and promised stringent action against the culprits. People drop in sometimes to have a glimpse of the sickly child being treated for his several wounds allegedly inflicted over a period of time. Prasanta, who belongs to Sodaka village in Ganjam district, used to water the plants, wash clothes, shopped for household items and at times cooked in the house of the Singh Deo couple. "I tried to do all the work but if I committed any mistake I was thrashed," he sobbed. "We had sent him to Khariar so he can stand on his own legs, but have found him in such condition," one of the boy's relatives said. Intra-venous fluids were being administered to Prasanta who appeared traumatised. "Once I was asked to sit on a heater, which was hot. I cried out in pain but no one listened....," he said recounting his ordeal at Khariar. He was first treated at the government hospital at Polsara before being admitted to the hospital in Bhubaneswar on Sunday evening. Doctors hope the child will recover fully. He is suffering from prolonged malnutrition and multiple injuries. It will take a long time for the wounds to heal. "Though his condition is serious, he is out of danger," said Dr S Mohapatra, who has been attending to him. Ganjam District Collector Sanjib Kumar Mishra who met the child and his relatives at the hospital said he would be treated in Berhampur for at least a month with the cost being borne by the district Red Cross Fund. The boy's relatives, however, turned down the offer to rehabilitate the boy at the Banadebi Seva Sadan at Kabisuryanagar. "Now I have thought of writing to the SOS Children's Village at Bhubaneswar to take care of him after he is discharged from the hospital," the collector said. Meanwhile, the Indian Society for Rural Development (ISRD), an NGO working for eradication of child labour, demanded stringent action against those responsible for the boy's condition. This case has brought to light the manner in which people were treating their domestic help, ISRD convener Sudhir Sabat said in a statement. Prafulla Samantara, convener of Lok Shakti Abhiyan, in a statement in Berhampur, urged the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) to take up the matter. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Greetings, Here's a link to a wedding in the Princely State of Muli... http://www.weddingsutra.com/community/featured_nupur.asp ... thanks to H. Singh. The Muli page is accordingly updated. As is the Baria page (thanks to Steve R). Also http://www.geocities.com/naneria/holkar.html is a nice biographical page on the late Maharaja of Indore, written by a friend of the family. (thanks to Akshay) Cheers, Henry PS welcome greetings go out to some new list members who have joined just recently, namely Shesh, Surendra and James.

Hello, Does anyone know the Stately Salute music which was played just like the National Anthems today. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:35 PM Subject: INDIA-ROYALTY-D Digest V04 #37

Here's an interesting article on the Maharaja of Puri.. http://www.uppercrustindia.com/17crust/seventeen/mumbai7.htm Cheers, Henry