Henry Soszynski wrote: > At 08:20 AM 22/07/05 -0700, you wrote: > > > > > >Henry Soszynski wrote: > > > >> Julian Gardner, born c1941, an Anglo-Indian, may be heir to the dormant > >> Barony of Gardner of Uttotexeter, though he can't afford to have his claim > >> recognized by the appropriate body. He apparently descends from Padshah > >> Shah Alam II (1729-1806), via his son Shahzada Mirza Suleiman Shikoh > >> (+1838), whose daughter married James Valentine Gardner (+1845). Anyone > >> have further details of the Gardner-Mughal marriage? > >> Cheers, > >> Henry > >> > > > >Hello: > > > >what was the daughter's name? > > > >what is the lineage from her to Julian Gardner? > > > >thank-you > > > > > Try > <http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,12559,1102144,00.html>http://www.gu > ardian.co.uk/india/story/0,12559,1102144,00.html > Unfortunately the exact line of descent is not spelled out, which is what I'm > trying to find out. > Cheers, > Henry > understood will you post it, once you find it?

Julian Gardner, born c1941, an Anglo-Indian, may be heir to the dormant Barony of Gardner of Uttotexeter, though he can't afford to have his claim recognized by the appropriate body. He apparently descends from Padshah Shah Alam II (1729-1806), via his son Shahzada Mirza Suleiman Shikoh (+1838), whose daughter married James Valentine Gardner (+1845). Anyone have further details of the Gardner-Mughal marriage? Cheers, Henry PS Have added a new page on the Thikana of Churhat in Rewah.

Henry Soszynski wrote: > Julian Gardner, born c1941, an Anglo-Indian, may be heir to the dormant > Barony of Gardner of Uttotexeter, though he can't afford to have his claim > recognized by the appropriate body. He apparently descends from Padshah > Shah Alam II (1729-1806), via his son Shahzada Mirza Suleiman Shikoh > (+1838), whose daughter married James Valentine Gardner (+1845). Anyone > have further details of the Gardner-Mughal marriage? > Cheers, > Henry > Hello: what was the daughter's name? what is the lineage from her to Julian Gardner? thank-you

Greetings, New pages have been added to the website..... Kapshi, Torgal and Vishalgadh: (all thanks to Akshay) Ajabpur: (thanks to Rawat Thakur Raj Deo Singh) Ratesh: has been updated further. Nabha: the name of the 2nd son of the Maharaja has been added. Savanur: Nawabzadi Hasin Pasha Begum, who married Imtiaz Khan of Sachin, died 13th June 2005. Our condolences to the family. Kind regards, Henry

1. The first Raja of Nadia was Bhabananda. 2. He was succeeded by his grandson, Maharaja Rudra Ray (reign 1683 - 1694) 3. Krishnachandra Ray reigned from 1728 to 1782. His kingdom had area of 3151 sq. miles. 4. His son, Sibchandra Ray ruled from 1782 to 1788 With bets wishes, P.K.Saha --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

At 05:31  06/07/05 +1000, you wrote: >Greetings, >           The following updates have been made.... >Kasli >Pokhran >Lodhika - Jnr >Mahmudabad >Vadia >Koti >..... have added photos to Patiala, Alwar, Bilaspur, Idar, Jhalawar, >Jodhpur, Jaipur, Nabha, Orchha and Keonthal. > >Hopefully some blocked emails will becoming through shortly, apologies for >any duplication. For some reason known only to rootsweb, my address has >been put on the block list :( >Cheers, >Henry > A new page on Ratesh has been added to the website. Hopefully more info will come through.

Greetings, The following updates have been made.... Kasli Pokhran Lodhika - Jnr Mahmudabad Vadia Koti ..... have added photos to Patiala, Alwar, Bilaspur, Idar, Jhalawar, Jodhpur, Jaipur, Nabha, Orchha and Keonthal. Hopefully some blocked emails will becoming through shortly, apologies for any duplication. For some reason known only to rootsweb, my address has been put on the block list :( Cheers, Henry

At 03:19 AM 03/07/05 -0700, you wrote: > >     This is a very interesting article on Prince >serfoji of Tanjore. A must read > ><http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2004/10/10/stories/2004101000410200.htm >http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2004/10/10/stories/2004101000410200.htm > Interesting indeed, I wasn't aware that they even did such delicate eye operations in the 18th century. He appears to have been a truly gifted man. The library as well seems quite exceptional. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5180/serfoji.html Cheers, Henry

Interesting, is this myth or real story? is there is any contact of ownership? some email or phone or fax ??? Yogi Rele New Jersey pabitra saha <[email protected]> wrote: According to a recent claim on ownership of Taj Mahal in Agra, it is claimed in Lucknow 1. Bahadur Shah Zafar ( deposed Indian Emperor in 1858) had 49 children and all died except three. 2. One of the three - Mirza Qaish- along with his wife - Ashraf Mahal- moved to Aurangabad. 3.Their only son, Prince Mirza Abdullah, settled in Hyderabad. 4. His son, Mirza Gaffar (alias Mirza Pyare ) and his wife, Habeeba Begum, had one son ( Mirza Yousuf Ali Baig ) and two daughters (Husan Jahanara Begum and Laila Ummani). 5. Laila Ummani had three daughters and four sons. 6. Her second son was Yakub Ariffuddin Tucy. 7. His son, Prince Yaqub Habeebuddin Tucy , is now claiming ownership of the Taj Mahal. with best wishes, P.K.Saha --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos ==== INDIA-ROYALTY Mailing List ==== The posting of Copyright material, without permission of the copyright holder is forbidden. Selective quoting, though, is appropriate. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football

Greetings,            A little while ago, mention was made for the new website of the Chhota Udepur family. Sadly HH Maharana Virendrasinhji, passed away on Monday 27th June 2005 at Jaipur. Presumably his eldest son will become the new Maharana. The website has not yet been updated with this information. Many thanks to Pabitra for notifying us. Kind regards, Henry

This is a very interesting article on Prince serfoji of Tanjore. A must read http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2004/10/10/stories/2004101000410200.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Greetings, More sad news, Rani Padamjit Singh of Kapurthala has passed away recently as well. See http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050612/edit.htm for a brief mention. There's no clear indication of the date. Hopefully there won't be anymore. Kind regards, Henry

Greetings, A little while ago, mention was made for the new website of the Chhota Udepur family. Sadly HH Maharana Virendrasinhji, passed away on Monday 27th June 2005 at Jaipur. Presumably his eldest son will become the new Maharana. The website has not yet been updated with this information. Many thanks to Pabitra for notifying us. Kind regards, Henry

Raja Virendra Sinhji Chauhan expired in Jaipur on Monday, June 27th 2005. He is survuived by three sons as listed in respective page on the site. Best wishes, P.K.Saha --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

At 12:50  26/06/05 -0600, Naheed wrote: >Does anyone know about the nawabs and jagirdars of Jhajjar?  >Farhat Jahan Begum > Greetings, Regretfully not much, hopefully someone will have more. Information is as follows... Jhajjar was originally given to the Nawab of Farukhnagar, but he was unable to control it adequately, so somehow it went to Nawab Nijabat Ali Khan, who was one of three brothers (father unknown to me), the second brother, Nawab Ismail Khan Lohari, received Bahadurgarh, forfeited in 1857, the third brother, Nawab Fa'iz Talab Khan, was the first Nawab of Pataudi. Nawab Nijabat Ali Khan was followed by Nawab Faiz Muhammed Khan, ruled 1813/1835, succeeded by his son (name unknown to me), who ruled 1835/1845, succeeded by Nawab Abdulrahman Khan, ruled 1845/1857, executed for his part in the Indian War of Independence (the Mutiny),and his state was forfeited. He died 23rd December 1857 in Delhi. Presumably there are descendants, though I have no record of them. Any information would be most welcome. Good luck. Cheers, Henry

At 11:01 AM 26/06/05 -0400, you wrote: >Accordig to the Mandi Family, Rani Amrit Kaur died in 1948, and not during World War II. > >Fr.Lawrence Ober > > Fr. Lawrence, Thank you for the confirmation. I was unable to get a definitive answer from the Kapurthala side, so this is most welcome. Cheers, Henry (Note: bcc'd to Russell Harris, curator of the Lafayette exhibition)

At 10:17 AM 25/06/05 +0100, you wrote: >According to a recent claim on ownership of Taj Mahal in Agra, it is claimed in Lucknow > >1. Bahadur Shah Zafar ( deposed Indian Emperor in 1858) had 49 children and all died except three. >2. One of the three - Mirza Qaish- along with his wife - Ashraf Mahal- moved to Aurangabad. >3.Their only son, Prince Mirza Abdullah, settled in Hyderabad. >4. His son, Mirza Gaffar (alias Mirza Pyare ) and his wife, Habeeba Begum, had one son ( Mirza Yousuf Ali Baig ) and two daughters (Husan Jahanara Begum and Laila Ummani). >5. Laila Ummani had three daughters and four sons. >6. Her second son was Yakub Ariffuddin Tucy. >7. His son, Prince Yaqub Habeebuddin Tucy , is now claiming ownership of the Taj Mahal. >with best wishes, >P.K.Saha > > Hello Pabitra, Thanks for this. I had seen this gentlemans claim before, though the online article did not give his line of descent from the last Padshah. There's a couple of problems here as I see, firstly I find it difficult to believe that 46 children were somehow done away with, without history making some sort of record of it. I know that Hodgson apparently muredered some 11 close members of the family, but there's no hint of such a wide scale crime. Many members were exiled or fled to Nepal, which possibly may account for the apparent loss. Secondly, 'Prince' Yakub's father was a maternal grandson of Mirza Gaffar, so that doesn't entitle him to anything at all. Though, if memory serves me correctly, the article suggested that 'Prince' Yakub was of Mughal descent on both sides of his family. If so, why wasn't his paternal descent mentioned? I'll make a note of it, but with a generous pinch of salt. Interesting nonetheless. Cheers, Henry

Accordig to the Mandi Family, Rani Amrit Kaur died in 1948, and not during World War II. Fr.Lawrence Ober

According to a recent claim on ownership of Taj Mahal in Agra, it is claimed in Lucknow 1. Bahadur Shah Zafar ( deposed Indian Emperor in 1858) had 49 children and all died except three. 2. One of the three - Mirza Qaish- along with his wife - Ashraf Mahal- moved to Aurangabad. 3.Their only son, Prince Mirza Abdullah, settled in Hyderabad. 4. His son, Mirza Gaffar (alias Mirza Pyare ) and his wife, Habeeba Begum, had one son ( Mirza Yousuf Ali Baig ) and two daughters (Husan Jahanara Begum and Laila Ummani). 5. Laila Ummani had three daughters and four sons. 6. Her second son was Yakub Ariffuddin Tucy. 7. His son, Prince Yaqub Habeebuddin Tucy , is now claiming ownership of the Taj Mahal. with best wishes, P.K.Saha --------------------------------- How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! Photos. Get Yahoo! Photos

At 01:15  20/06/05 +0100, you wrote: >Rao Raja Bikram Singh married Vipula Kumari in 1972. > >He was adopted from common stock by Rao Raja Hardayal Singh from Sarwari Village where his brothers still live. >He has three daughters. >Eldest one, Reshma Singh is married to Narsingh Pravin Rana of Kathmandu(Nepal) >Himani Singh ( as indicated ) is crown princess of Nepal. >Youngest one is Aparna Singh. > >The entire royal family of Sikar is now left Sikar and settled in Nepal. >With best wishes, >P.K.Saha > > > Rao Raja Bikram Singh's elder brother is described as a teacher! Also Hardayal Singh was never Rao Raja of Sikar as he predeceased his father in 1958, and his father died the following year. Apparently prior to his death he adopted a nephew as his successor., though there is no indication of exactly how he was related, except that maybe he was from Deeppura. The Sikar page has been updated, thanks to Pabitra. Cheers, Henry