Badshah Jalaludin Akbar had atleast 9 ( upto 14) Rajput wives. Whom he called Jodha affectionately is matter of conjecture? The movie ( as was Mughal-e- Azam, the story of Anar Kali) are pure figment of imagination and mainly produced for entertainment. He, according to some sources, had more wives than he could count. Any enterprising producer can weave interesting screen play from such data. PKS yagyapal singh <yagyapal@yahoo.com> wrote: I watched Jodha Akbar Movie its found to be totally fake , for the same I visited Delhi emperor and Jaipur page on website and found that there is some other named Rajkumari Heera Kunwar [Mariam Zamani], married to Akbar and no such Jodha . Any view which one is correct. Thanks Yagyapal Singh ----- Original Message ---- From: Henry Soszynski To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:50:11 PM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Some Election results for various Royals Greetings, The subject line says it all, if anyone has other results concerning Royals, please respond. On the Himachal Pradesh political front, Raja Virbhadra Singh of Bashar won from his constituency Rani Chandresh Kumari of Kangra-Lambagaon lost Kanwar Rani Asha Kumari of Chamba. Raj Kumar Karan Singh of Kullu also lost. Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox.
Good Morning Doctor Thakur, Thanks for the information, and I will try the site you mention. Wikipedia has been of limited use to me, and does not have the information I need this time. Thanks again. Barry
Dear All, I am a new member of this group, and feel a little out of place, as my interest in Indian Royalty is of a very much less detailed nature than it is for most of you. I am interested in Indian coins, mostly for the Mughal Successor States, and in Indian history since 1707 AD. The catalogues of these coins often list them by the Mughal emperor in whose name they were struck, but I am interested to know the name of the rulers under whom they were produced, and this information is sometimes hard to come by. For instance, who were the Rajas (Ranas, Maharajas?) of Wanparti and Dilshadabad? My catalogues are silent, but somebody must know, I suppose. That is my first question to the learned membership of this group. Who were the rulers of Wanparti and Narayan Pett? What were their dates? Any information on this matter will be gratefully received, and acknowledged in any subsequent publishing of related material. Thanks for your time and effort in sending a reply. Barry Tabor (U.K.)
Dr Nagindra Singh of Dungarpur was a member of the International Court of Justice as a full Judge not an advocate for the Princes. Mandeep On 19/02/2008, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Mrs. Gandhi was astute enough to build up public opinion against old > royals and ensured that abolition of privy purses ( and associated > privileges ) was not challengable in the courts of India. This stems from > the fact that as per democracy, the legislature can pass laws which may be > contrary to normal principles of justice. The courts can only intrepret the > laws which have been duly promulgated. > The above aboltion was challenged in the Internation Court of Justice at > the Hague, where the royalty was represented by Dr. Nagendra Singh, a scion > of former royal family from Rajasthan but nothing came out of that too. > > PKS > > DPhillips@fbm.com wrote: > Dear Nanda Kumar, > > I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but I > find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court action, > is going to restore the former rights or position of the ruling > families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the accession > of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the abolition of the > Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite irrevocable. I am assuming > that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the agreement with the princes and > abolished their rights and payments previously agreed to, and their > constitutional protections, that the matter was litigated at the time > and decided adversely to the princes. Am I right about that? It would > be interesting to know if that question has been decided by an Indian > appellate court, and to read the court's decision if a citation to it > can be found. > > David Phillips > San Francisco > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing > > > hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a > attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to > support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of > them plese > > > > On 09/02/2008, Epicure wrote: > > > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than > > > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have > > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia > and > > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both > being > > her political opponents. > > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > > congress party, which is a well known fact. > > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Abhinn" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of > today > > > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 > > > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 > > > times . > > > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > > living > > then > > > was not imaginable. > > > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > > three > > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > > INDIA > > only > > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > > the story today. > > > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are > > > not the same......................... > > > > > > Natwar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Epicure" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet > > >> a specific a purpose > > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of > just > > >> Rs. > > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a > motive > > to > > >> malign. > > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > > >> slinging match with either the > > Dewan, > > >> or > > >> his publishers. > > >> Best Wishes! > > >> SHYAM > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >> > > >> > > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > > >>> > > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > > >>> issued > > in > > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > > >>> the > > book > > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > > >>> known, > > is > > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > > >>> grateful for > > guidance. > > >>> > > >>> David Phillips > > >>> San Francisco > > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > > >>> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _____ > > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > > >>> destroy > > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of them plese On 09/02/2008, Epicure <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das has > written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than the > political Royals of today! > Before I open my box in support of what I said about the said author, I > recommend Charles Allen and Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also > have > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia and > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both being > her political opponents. > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > congress party, which is a well known fact. > SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abhinn" <abhinn@sancharnet.in> > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > Dear All. > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 gms > > and > > today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 times . > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of living > then > > was not imaginable. > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > three > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In INDIA > only > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know the > > story > > today. > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > families, > > Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work very closely with > > them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are not the > > same......................... > > > > Natwar > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> > > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan Jarmani > >> Das' > >> book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet a specific a > >> purpose > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just > >> Rs. > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive > to > >> malign. > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my contention. > >> So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan Jermani Das as > >> gospel > >> truth. Also admire the dignity that the concerned Royal families have > >> exhibited by not indulging in a mud slinging match with either the > Dewan, > >> or > >> his publishers. > >> Best Wishes! > >> SHYAM > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> > >> To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > >> > >> > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > >>> > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first issued > in > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and the > book > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well known, > is > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many states, > >>> especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but scandalous > >>> stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the stories in this > >>> book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be grateful for > guidance. > >>> > >>> David Phillips > >>> San Francisco > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > >>> > ___________________________________________________________________________ > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > >>> and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any > >>> unauthorized > >>> review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not > >>> the > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > >>> destroy > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel > >>> LLP > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >>> the > >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Mrs. Gandhi was astute enough to build up public opinion against old royals and ensured that abolition of privy purses ( and associated privileges ) was not challengable in the courts of India. This stems from the fact that as per democracy, the legislature can pass laws which may be contrary to normal principles of justice. The courts can only intrepret the laws which have been duly promulgated. The above aboltion was challenged in the Internation Court of Justice at the Hague, where the royalty was represented by Dr. Nagendra Singh, a scion of former royal family from Rajasthan but nothing came out of that too. PKS DPhillips@fbm.com wrote: Dear Nanda Kumar, I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but I find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court action, is going to restore the former rights or position of the ruling families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the accession of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the abolition of the Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite irrevocable. I am assuming that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the agreement with the princes and abolished their rights and payments previously agreed to, and their constitutional protections, that the matter was litigated at the time and decided adversely to the princes. Am I right about that? It would be interesting to know if that question has been decided by an Indian appellate court, and to read the court's decision if a citation to it can be found. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of them plese On 09/02/2008, Epicure wrote: > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia and > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both being > her political opponents. > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > congress party, which is a well known fact. > SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abhinn" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > Dear All. > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 > > times . > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > living > then > > was not imaginable. > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > three > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > INDIA > only > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > the story today. > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are > > not the same......................... > > > > Natwar > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Epicure" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet > >> a specific a purpose > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just > >> Rs. > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive > to > >> malign. > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > >> slinging match with either the > Dewan, > >> or > >> his publishers. > >> Best Wishes! > >> SHYAM > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > >> > >> > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > >>> > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > >>> issued > in > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > >>> the > book > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > >>> known, > is > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > >>> grateful for > guidance. > >>> > >>> David Phillips > >>> San Francisco > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > >>> destroy > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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Does anyone have the name or date of the ICJ case? If so I will try to hunt down the decision and see if I can find an Internet link to it that I can share with the group. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mandeep Singh Bajwa Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 12:41 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing Dr Nagindra Singh of Dungarpur was a member of the International Court of Justice as a full Judge not an advocate for the Princes. Mandeep On 19/02/2008, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Mrs. Gandhi was astute enough to build up public opinion against old > royals and ensured that abolition of privy purses ( and associated > privileges ) was not challengable in the courts of India. This stems > from the fact that as per democracy, the legislature can pass laws > which may be contrary to normal principles of justice. The courts can > only intrepret the laws which have been duly promulgated. The above > aboltion was challenged in the Internation Court of Justice at the > Hague, where the royalty was represented by Dr. Nagendra Singh, a > scion of former royal family from Rajasthan but nothing came out of > that too. > > PKS > > DPhillips@fbm.com wrote: > Dear Nanda Kumar, > > I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but > I find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court > action, is going to restore the former rights or position of the > ruling families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the > accession of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the > abolition of the Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite > irrevocable. I am assuming that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the > agreement with the princes and abolished their rights and payments > previously agreed to, and their constitutional protections, that the > matter was litigated at the time and decided adversely to the princes. > Am I right about that? It would be interesting to know if that > question has been decided by an Indian appellate court, and to read > the court's decision if a citation to it can be found. > > David Phillips > San Francisco > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing > > > hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a > attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to > support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of > them plese > > > > On 09/02/2008, Epicure wrote: > > > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better > > than > > > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have much on them to > > prove my contention that the Book was motivated and sponsored. The > > sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got against > > Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia > and > > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both > being > > her political opponents. > > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > > congress party, which is a well known fact. SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Abhinn" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > Dear All. > > > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of > today > > > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per > > > 10 > > > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a > > > 100 times . > > > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > > living > > then > > > was not imaginable. > > > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 > > > ( > > three > > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > > INDIA > > only > > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > > the story today. > > > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the > > > royal > > > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's > > > are not the same......................... > > > > > > Natwar > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Epicure" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to > > >> meet a specific a purpose and was sold in its first edition at a > > >> ridiculously low price of > just > > >> Rs. > > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a > motive > > to > > >> malign. > > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > > >> slinging match with either the > > Dewan, > > >> or > > >> his publishers. > > >> Best Wishes! > > >> SHYAM > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: > > >> To: > > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >> > > >> > > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > > >>> > > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > > >>> issued > > in > > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > > >>> the > > book > > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > > >>> known, > > is > > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > > >>> grateful for > > guidance. > > >>> > > >>> David Phillips > > >>> San Francisco > > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > > >>> > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > _____ > > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended > > >>> recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy > > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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Dear Nanda Kumar, I am an outsider (although I am an attorney in the United States), but I find it very difficult to imagine that anything, including court action, is going to restore the former rights or position of the ruling families. The collapse of the princes' political support, the accession of the states to India (or Pakistan), and finally the abolition of the Privy Purse in 1971, all seem to me quite irrevocable. I am assuming that when Mrs. Gandhi abrogated the agreement with the princes and abolished their rights and payments previously agreed to, and their constitutional protections, that the matter was litigated at the time and decided adversely to the princes. Am I right about that? It would be interesting to know if that question has been decided by an Indian appellate court, and to read the court's decision if a citation to it can be found. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nanda kumar Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:47 PM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing hai this adv nanda who wish the monerecy system in india since as a attorny i want to go by way of legal system i need any raja family to support my view to bring back their rights again can u sugest any of them plese On 09/02/2008, Epicure <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das > has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than > the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of > what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and > Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia and > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both being > her political opponents. > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > congress party, which is a well known fact. > SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abhinn" <abhinn@sancharnet.in> > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > Dear All. > > > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today > > > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 > > gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 > > times . > > > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of > > living > then > > was not imaginable. > > > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( > three > > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In > > INDIA > only > > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know > > the story today. > > > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > > families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work > > very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are > > not the same......................... > > > > Natwar > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> > > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > > > > >> Dear David Phillips, > >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan > >> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet > >> a specific a purpose > >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just > >> Rs. > >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive > to > >> malign. > >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my > >> contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan > >> Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the > >> concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud > >> slinging match with either the > Dewan, > >> or > >> his publishers. > >> Best Wishes! > >> SHYAM > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> > >> To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > >> > >> > >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > >>> > >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first > >>> issued > in > >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and > >>> the > book > >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well > >>> known, > is > >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many > >>> states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but > >>> scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the > >>> stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be > >>> grateful for > guidance. > >>> > >>> David Phillips > >>> San Francisco > >>> dphillips@fbm.com > >>> > ______________________________________________________________________ > _____ > >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended > >>> recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > >>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or > >>> distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and > >>> destroy > >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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Greetings, The subject line says it all, if anyone has other results concerning Royals, please respond. On the Himachal Pradesh political front, Raja Virbhadra Singh of Bashar won from his constituency Rani Chandresh Kumari of Kangra-Lambagaon lost Kanwar Rani Asha Kumari of Chamba. Raj Kumar Karan Singh of Kullu also lost. Cheers, Henry
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The Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariam-uz-Zamani has a full explanation of how Akbar's wife came to be called Jodha Bai. David Phillips San Francisco -----Original Message----- From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of yagyapal singh Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 3:18 AM To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Jodha I watched Jodha Akbar Movie its found to be totally fake , for the same I visited Delhi emperor and Jaipur page on website and found that there is some other named Rajkumari Heera Kunwar [Mariam Zamani], married to Akbar and no such Jodha . Any view which one is correct. Thanks Yagyapal Singh ----- Original Message ---- From: Henry Soszynski <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:50:11 PM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Some Election results for various Royals Greetings, The subject line says it all, if anyone has other results concerning Royals, please respond. On the Himachal Pradesh political front, Raja Virbhadra Singh of Bashar won from his constituency Rani Chandresh Kumari of Kangra-Lambagaon lost Kanwar Rani Asha Kumari of Chamba. Raj Kumar Karan Singh of Kullu also lost. Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel LLP
I watched Jodha Akbar Movie its found to be totally fake , for the same I visited Delhi emperor and Jaipur page on website and found that there is some other named Rajkumari Heera Kunwar [Mariam Zamani], married to Akbar and no such Jodha . Any view which one is correct. Thanks Yagyapal Singh ----- Original Message ---- From: Henry Soszynski <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:50:11 PM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Some Election results for various Royals Greetings, The subject line says it all, if anyone has other results concerning Royals, please respond. On the Himachal Pradesh political front, Raja Virbhadra Singh of Bashar won from his constituency Rani Chandresh Kumari of Kangra-Lambagaon lost Kanwar Rani Asha Kumari of Chamba. Raj Kumar Karan Singh of Kullu also lost. Cheers, Henry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
In 1970 I gave piano lessons for a few months to Her Highness, Nirmala Raje Bhonsle,a truly dignified and gracious woman, and a Maharani in the fullest sense of the term. I remember a memorable evening at my place, when she came to meet an Englishman,who had decided to stay on in India, after Independence. His name was Charles Grundy,and he was a Solicitor,a senior partner in the distinguished firm of solicitors, Little and Company. When I told him that I was giving piano lessons to her Highness,the Rajmata of Akalkot, he said that he'd gone on tiger shoots with her late husband, the Maharaja of Akalkot. When I told Her Higness that, she expressed a wish to meet him, and I invited them both over one evening. I sat across from them as they reminisced about old times. her Highness had also bagged a tiger. They are both no more. But I realize how fortunate I was to have met her. She was in her sixties when she took piano lessons with me,and I was in my twenties:-) She told me that her grandmother, the Maharani of baroda, and wife of the great Sayaji Rao took some piano lessons in Baroda.There was a concert grand piano at Lakshmi Vilas,as there were in other great palaces around India -Jodhpur,Jaipur and Mysore,to name only three where I personally saw three magnificent concert grand pianos. Where can I find an old photograph of her Highness, Nirmala Raje Bhonsle? Anyone have a photo, that can be sent to Farah. Cheers, Henry
Hi Thats very interesting. In 1970s, my grandparents were neighbours of Nirmala raje at Forjett road in Bombay. I too have heard stories about her. She had separated from her husband and lived mostly in Bombay and Poona. Can Farah throw some light as to where did Nirmalaraje live in Bombay around this time? I think the baroda family will be the only source of info on her. Due to family disputes, Akalkot family wants nothing to do with her. They even refuse to acknowledge her existence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --- Henry Soszynski <h.soszynski@uqconnect.net> wrote: > In 1970 I gave piano lessons for a few months to Her > Highness, Nirmala Raje > Bhonsle,a truly dignified and gracious woman, and a > Maharani in the fullest > sense of the term. I remember a memorable evening at > my place, when she > came to > meet an Englishman,who had decided to stay on in > India, after Independence. > His > name was Charles Grundy,and he was a Solicitor,a > senior partner in the > distinguished firm of solicitors, Little and > Company. When I told him that > I was > giving piano lessons to her Highness,the Rajmata of > Akalkot, he said that he'd > gone on tiger shoots with her late husband, the > Maharaja of Akalkot. When I > told > Her Higness that, she expressed a wish to meet him, > and I invited them both > over one evening. I sat across from them as they > reminisced about old times. > her Highness had also bagged a tiger. They are both > no more. But I realize how > fortunate I was to have met her. She was in her > sixties when she took piano > lessons with me,and I was in my twenties:-) She told > me that her grandmother, > the Maharani of baroda, and wife of the great Sayaji > Rao took some piano > lessons in Baroda.There was a concert grand piano at > Lakshmi Vilas,as there > were in other great palaces around India > -Jodhpur,Jaipur and Mysore,to name > only three where I personally saw three magnificent > concert grand pianos. > Where > can I find an old photograph of her Highness, > Nirmala Raje Bhonsle? > > Anyone have a photo, that can be sent to Farah. > > Cheers, > Henry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Dear David Phillips, We have a gentle man by the name of Mr. Allen Bahn in this group. He has, according to him (and we have nothing to doubt him), seen the Indian Royals form very close quarters. I'd like him to answer you on these issues first, which I sincerely hope he will. I shall be glad to share my views with you very soon, as soon as I finish the current film that is at its last finishing stage. Best Wishes! SHYAM ----- Original Message ----- From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing > Learning that the book was sponsored makes things a little clearer. I'm > sure there were lots of excesses under princely rule but it wasn't ALL > excess and extravagance and arbitrary irresponsible misgovernment and > kidnapping and sexual athletics. It couldn't have been. For one thing, > it is hard to see why the British, who were often glad of a chance to > take over the management of a mismanaged state, would have tolerated > this kind of thing on the scale Diwan Jermani Dass suggests. A book of > salacious stories is fun to read, but I would be grateful to the group > for suggestions of more balanced books on 19-20C state government. Many > thanks -- I am gratified by the feedback and glad to be part of this > group. > > David Phillips > San Francisco > dphillips@fbm.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-royalty-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Epicure > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:49 AM > To: india-royalty@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass' sponsored writing > > > Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das has > written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than the > political Royals of today! > Before I open my box in support of what I said about the said author, I > > recommend Charles Allen and Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also > have > much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and > sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got > against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia > and > Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both > being > her political opponents. > The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the > congress party, which is a well known fact. > SM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Abhinn" <abhinn@sancharnet.in> > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >> Dear All. >> >> I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of > today >> >> can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 >> gms >> and >> today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 times . >> >> And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of living >> then was not imaginable. >> >> I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( >> three quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In >> INDIA only FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and >> you know the story today. >> >> well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal >> families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work very >> closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are not the >> same......................... >> >> Natwar >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> >> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM >> Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass >> >> >>> Dear David Phillips, >>> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan >>> Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet a >>> specific a purpose >>> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of > just >>> Rs. >>> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a > motive to >>> malign. >>> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my contention. >>> So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan Jermani Das as >>> gospel >>> truth. Also admire the dignity that the concerned Royal families have >>> exhibited by not indulging in a mud slinging match with either the > Dewan, >>> or >>> his publishers. >>> Best Wishes! >>> SHYAM >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> >>> To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM >>> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass >>> >>> >>>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. >>>> >>>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first >>>> issued in 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He > >>>> was a minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab >>>> and the book (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) >>>> is well known, is full of the most scandalous stories about the >>>> princes of many states, especially Patiala. In fact it is almost >>>> nothing but scandalous stories. I wonder: how seriously should I >>>> take the stories in this book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. >>>> I'd be grateful for guidance. >>>> >>>> David Phillips >>>> San Francisco >>>> dphillips@fbm.com >>>> ____________________________________________________________________ >>>> _______ >>>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) >>>> and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any >>>> unauthorized >>>> review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are > not >>>> the >>>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and >>>> destroy >>>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. 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I read this book long back but I recollect that it has described mainly the negative things the rulers did. It has not described in detail the positive things which those rulers did. I belong to Alwar state and know that the rulers of Alwar were basically good towards their subjects. They made several dams, roads, schools, hospitals and so on. The best part is that in the main town of Alwar or you can say Bajaja Bazar, there was a Masjid during the rule of last Maharaja of Alwar which was demolished during Congress rule just after independence. Judgement is personal but one should see all aspects. Everbody knows that rulers or the ruling class promote those writers and journalists who are favourable to them and write bad about their opponents. Even Ramayana, an epic about the glory of Lord Ram, has few good things about Ravan. If the epic about the glory of a king says good things about the opponent king then one should logically think that how good the other one was. Same thing applies about Diwan Jamanee Das and others. Avinash Haldia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > Dear David Phillips, > I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan Jarmani > Das' > book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet a specific a purpose > and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just Rs. > 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive to > malign. > I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my contention. > So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan Jermani Das as gospel > truth. Also admire the dignity that the concerned Royal families have > exhibited by not indulging in a mud slinging match with either the Dewan, > or > his publishers. > Best Wishes! > SHYAM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> > To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. >> >> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first issued in >> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a >> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and the book >> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well known, is >> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many states, >> especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but scandalous >> stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the stories in this >> book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be grateful for guidance. >> >> David Phillips >> San Francisco >> dphillips@fbm.com >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) >> and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized >> review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not >> the >> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy >> all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel LLP >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Even if the price factor is negated, and all that Dewan Jermany Das has written is true, the former Royals of India were miles better than the political Royals of today! Before I open my box in support of what I said about the said author, I recommend Charles Allen and Sharda Dwivedi to be contacted as they also have much on them to prove my contention that the Book was motivated and sponsored. The sponsor was non other then Mrs. Indira Gandhi, who got against Royals families out of jealously she had with Rajmata Scindia and Rajmata Gayatri Devi of Jaipur, both ladies of great grace and both being her political opponents. The pre independence books against Royals were also sponsored by the congress party, which is a well known fact. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: "Abhinn" <abhinn@sancharnet.in> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > Dear All. > > I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today > > can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 gms > and > today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 times . > > And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of living then > was not imaginable. > > I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( three > quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In INDIA only > FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know the > story > today. > > well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal > families, > Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work very closely with > them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are not the > same......................... > > Natwar > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> > To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >> Dear David Phillips, >> I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan Jarmani >> Das' >> book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet a specific a >> purpose >> and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just >> Rs. >> 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive to >> malign. >> I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my contention. >> So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan Jermani Das as >> gospel >> truth. Also admire the dignity that the concerned Royal families have >> exhibited by not indulging in a mud slinging match with either the Dewan, >> or >> his publishers. >> Best Wishes! >> SHYAM >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> >> To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM >> Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass >> >> >>>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. >>> >>> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first issued in >>> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a >>> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and the book >>> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well known, is >>> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many states, >>> especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but scandalous >>> stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the stories in this >>> book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be grateful for guidance. >>> >>> David Phillips >>> San Francisco >>> dphillips@fbm.com >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ >>> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) >>> and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any >>> unauthorized >>> review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not >>> the >>> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and >>> destroy >>> all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel >>> LLP >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear All. I trust Rs/- 10 way back in 1969 was as much as rs/- 1000.00 of today can you believe way back in 1969 Gold was less than Rs/-125/- per 10 gms and today it is Rs/-11125/- per 10 gms which means nearly a 100 times . And Most of the Edibles today were sold at peanuts and cost of living then was not imaginable. I recall My father telling me that prtrol then was less than 0.75 ( three quarter of a rupee) and today is nearly 50/- again cars then In INDIA only FIAT and AMBASSABOR were sold at around 10000.00 each and you know the story today. well past is past but then we cannot deny the misdoings of the royal families, Personally I admire the INDIAN Royal Heritage and work very closely with them but then Like a saying goes all finger's are not the same......................... Natwar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Epicure" <shyamofindia@hotmail.com> To: <india-royalty@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > Dear David Phillips, > I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan Jarmani > Das' > book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet a specific a purpose > and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just Rs. > 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive to > malign. > I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my contention. > So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan Jermani Das as gospel > truth. Also admire the dignity that the concerned Royal families have > exhibited by not indulging in a mud slinging match with either the Dewan, > or > his publishers. > Best Wishes! > SHYAM > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> > To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM > Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass > > >>I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. >> >> I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first issued in >> 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a >> minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and the book >> (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well known, is >> full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many states, >> especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but scandalous >> stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the stories in this >> book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be grateful for guidance. >> >> David Phillips >> San Francisco >> dphillips@fbm.com >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) >> and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized >> review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not >> the >> intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy >> all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel LLP >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Dear David Phillips, I'd like to caution you, before you form opinions, after Dewan Jarmani Das' book. This book, as a few others, was written to meet a specific a purpose and was sold in its first edition at a ridiculously low price of just Rs. 10/-, which also proves that it was a sponsored product with a motive to malign. I have in my possession a few anecdotes which further my contention. So, do not gobble utterly spiced narrations of Dewan Jermani Das as gospel truth. Also admire the dignity that the concerned Royal families have exhibited by not indulging in a mud slinging match with either the Dewan, or his publishers. Best Wishes! SHYAM ----- Original Message ----- From: <DPhillips@fbm.com> To: <INDIA-ROYALTY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: [INDIA-ROYALTY] Diwan Jarmani Dass >I am new to the group and this is my maiden e-mail. > > I am just now reading Diwan Jarmani Dass' book Maharaja, first issued in > 1969 and just reprinted in 2007 in paperback in India. He was a > minister in the princely government of Kapurthala in Punjab and the book > (which I gather from its appearance in bibliographies) is well known, is > full of the most scandalous stories about the princes of many states, > especially Patiala. In fact it is almost nothing but scandalous > stories. I wonder: how seriously should I take the stories in this > book? Some of them seem pretty extreme. I'd be grateful for guidance. > > David Phillips > San Francisco > dphillips@fbm.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ > This e-mail message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) > and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized > review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy > all copies of the original message. Thank you. Farella Braun + Martel LLP > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-ROYALTY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >