Dear List, I would be most grateful if you are able to assist me in tracing information regarding my ancestor BALDOCK William who received a NORTH WEST FRONTIER MEDAL 1908. BALDOCK William was born 1889 in Australia, and served in WW1, which I have a copy of his Military Service Record, however, it does not mention the North West Frontier Medal 1908, nor The Croix de Guerre which he also received. I have been unable to find any information regarding the medals, and if you are able to advise me where I may be able to obtain any information I would appreciate it. I look forward to your reply, and many thanks for your help. Regards, Jan Australia

Hi Jan, I wonder whether William served with the Indian Army for a while, and that he earned his N.W. Medal with them? The Indian Army has its own Service Records which are held at the British Library, Indian Dept (Asian section). Might be worth checking there to see if they have him on record. If you have this medal, it may show you on its rim with whom he was serving, etc. Does it have any campaign clasps? I am no expert but I believe that if a Brit receives the Croix de Guerre, he will (probably) also be Mentioned in Dispatches for the same incident, and that would be recorded in the London Gazette. The L.G. has recently changed their search engine and I am not familiar with its new workings but in theory, if you enter William’s name against MiD, you may well find a result. It will help if you have a date. Do you know if his C de G. was French or Belgium? The French have records of their awards. There is also this site which might help: http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/honours_and_awards/?unit=13+Battalion&op=Search and maybe this one: https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110621063752AAacgls Do please let us know if you have any success and through which source, good hunting, Chris On 1 May 2014, at 06:49, Jan <norest1@bigpond.com> wrote: > Dear List, > > I would be most grateful if you are able to assist me in tracing information regarding my ancestor BALDOCK William who received a NORTH WEST FRONTIER MEDAL 1908. > > BALDOCK William was born 1889 in Australia, and served in WW1, which I have a copy of his Military Service Record, however, it does not mention the North West Frontier Medal 1908, nor The Croix de Guerre which he also received. > > I have been unable to find any information regarding the medals, and if you are able to advise me where I may be able to obtain any information I would appreciate it. > > I look forward to your reply, and many thanks for your help. > > Regards, > Jan > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jan Chris Wood is right about India. However if he was commissioned in 1908, he would have done an apprentice year with a British regiment in India before going to an Indian army unit. This gives another opportunity to find him other than through the British Library. I note the William James Baldock, recommended twice for an MC in the Australian source that Chris mentions, was a Lieutenant in late 1917. With military service in 1908, this rank in 1917 is very junior. I suggest that he was a private soldier or an NCO in 1908, and probably for some time during WWI. Therefore in 1908 he would virtually certainly have been serving in a British rather than an Indian unit. Records for this service should be in Kew, if they have survived. Rupert Butler -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris Woods Sent: 01 May 2014 08:52 To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Military Help Hi Jan, I wonder whether William served with the Indian Army for a while, and that he earned his N.W. Medal with them? The Indian Army has its own Service Records which are held at the British Library, Indian Dept (Asian section). Might be worth checking there to see if they have him on record. If you have this medal, it may show you on its rim with whom he was serving, etc. Does it have any campaign clasps? I am no expert but I believe that if a Brit receives the Croix de Guerre, he will (probably) also be Mentioned in Dispatches for the same incident, and that would be recorded in the London Gazette. The L.G. has recently changed their search engine and I am not familiar with its new workings but in theory, if you enter William's name against MiD, you may well find a result. It will help if you have a date. Do you know if his C de G. was French or Belgium? The French have records of their awards. There is also this site which might help: http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/honours_and_awards/?unit=13+Battalion& op=Search and maybe this one: https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110621063752AAacgls Do please let us know if you have any success and through which source, good hunting, Chris On 1 May 2014, at 06:49, Jan <norest1@bigpond.com> wrote: > Dear List, > > I would be most grateful if you are able to assist me in tracing information regarding my ancestor BALDOCK William who received a NORTH WEST FRONTIER MEDAL 1908. > > BALDOCK William was born 1889 in Australia, and served in WW1, which I have a copy of his Military Service Record, however, it does not mention the North West Frontier Medal 1908, nor The Croix de Guerre which he also received. > > I have been unable to find any information regarding the medals, and if you are able to advise me where I may be able to obtain any information I would appreciate it. > > I look forward to your reply, and many thanks for your help. > > Regards, > Jan > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7416 - Release Date: 04/29/14 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7379 - Release Date: 04/22/14 Internal Virus Database is out of date.

Jan, Another source would be the Clippings Library in Colindale (Northwest London) where newspaper clippings of the old -including the Mutiny years are preserved. The exploits of a soldier winning CdG and possibly Mentioned in Despatches in NWFP would certainly be newsworthy. My hunch would be, the illustrated London News may even have his photograph. Who knows! Naren Phanse On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Butler family and enterprise < pems.butler@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Dear Jan > > Chris Wood is right about India. However if he was commissioned in 1908, he > would have done an apprentice year with a British regiment in India before > going to an Indian army unit. This gives another opportunity to find him > other than through the British Library. > > I note the William James Baldock, recommended twice for an MC in the > Australian source that Chris mentions, was a Lieutenant in late 1917. With > military service in 1908, this rank in 1917 is very junior. I suggest that > he was a private soldier or an NCO in 1908, and probably for some time > during WWI. Therefore in 1908 he would virtually certainly have been > serving > in a British rather than an Indian unit. Records for this service should be > in Kew, if they have survived. > > Rupert Butler > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf > Of Chris Woods > Sent: 01 May 2014 08:52 > To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Military Help > > Hi Jan, > > I wonder whether William served with the Indian Army for a while, and that > he earned his N.W. Medal with them? > The Indian Army has its own Service Records which are held at the British > Library, Indian Dept (Asian section). Might be worth checking there to see > if they have him on record. > If you have this medal, it may show you on its rim with whom he was > serving, > etc. > Does it have any campaign clasps? > > I am no expert but I believe that if a Brit receives the Croix de Guerre, > he > will (probably) also be Mentioned in Dispatches for the same incident, and > that would be recorded in the London Gazette. > The L.G. has recently changed their search engine and I am not familiar > with > its new workings but in theory, if you enter William's name against MiD, > you > may well find a result. It will help if you have a date. > > Do you know if his C de G. was French or Belgium? The French have records > of their awards. > There is also this site which might help: > > > http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/honours_and_awards/?unit=13+Battalion& > op=Search > and maybe this one: > https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110621063752AAacgls > > Do please let us know if you have any success and through which source, > good > hunting, Chris > > > On 1 May 2014, at 06:49, Jan <norest1@bigpond.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I would be most grateful if you are able to assist me in tracing > information regarding my ancestor BALDOCK William who received a NORTH WEST > FRONTIER MEDAL 1908. > > > > BALDOCK William was born 1889 in Australia, and served in WW1, which I > have a copy of his Military Service Record, however, it does not mention > the > North West Frontier Medal 1908, nor The Croix de Guerre which he also > received. > > > > I have been unable to find any information regarding the medals, and if > you are able to advise me where I may be able to obtain any information I > would appreciate it. > > > > I look forward to your reply, and many thanks for your help. > > > > Regards, > > Jan > > Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7416 - Release Date: 04/29/14 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7379 - Release Date: 04/22/14 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Narendra

Dear Mr Phanse,  I tried to email you backchannel, but got a box-something message to click to get to your inbox, but despite trying repeatedly, no clicking would happen. Could you respond to this message directly, pls - and could the list-administrator delete it after a day, pleasde?  Sorry to be a bother, Sanjay Sircar  ________________________________ From: Narendra Phanse <nbphanse@gmail.com> To: "india-british-raj@rootsweb.com" <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2014 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Military Help Jan, Another source would be the Clippings Library in Colindale (Northwest London) where newspaper clippings of the old -including the Mutiny years are preserved. The exploits of a soldier winning CdG and possibly Mentioned in Despatches in NWFP would certainly be newsworthy.  My hunch would be, the illustrated London News may even have his photograph. Who knows! Naren Phanse On Thursday, May 1, 2014, Butler family and enterprise < pems.butler@btopenworld.com> wrote: > Dear Jan > > Chris Wood is right about India. However if he was commissioned in 1908, he > would have done an apprentice year with a British regiment in India before > going to an Indian army unit. This gives another opportunity to find him > other than through the British Library. > > I note the William James Baldock, recommended twice for an MC in the > Australian source that Chris mentions, was a Lieutenant in late 1917. With > military service in 1908, this rank in 1917 is very junior. I suggest that > he was a private soldier or an NCO in 1908, and probably for some time > during WWI. Therefore in 1908 he would virtually certainly have been > serving > in a British rather than an Indian unit. Records for this service should be > in Kew, if they have survived. > > Rupert Butler > > -----Original Message----- > From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf > Of Chris Woods > Sent: 01 May 2014 08:52 > To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Military Help > > Hi Jan, > > I wonder whether William served with the Indian Army for a while, and that > he earned his N.W. Medal with them? > The Indian Army has its own Service Records which are held at the British > Library, Indian Dept (Asian section).  Might be worth checking there to see > if they have him on record. > If you have this medal, it may show you on its rim with whom he was > serving, > etc. > Does it have any campaign clasps? > > I am no expert but I believe that if a Brit receives the Croix de Guerre, > he > will (probably) also be Mentioned in Dispatches for the same incident, and > that would be recorded in the London Gazette. > The L.G. has recently changed their search engine and I am not familiar > with > its new workings but in theory, if you enter William's name against MiD, > you > may well find a result.  It will help if you have a date. > > Do you know if his C de G. was French or Belgium?  The French have records > of their awards. > There is also this site which might help: > > > http://www.awm.gov.au/research/people/honours_and_awards/?unit=13+Battalion& > op=Search > and maybe this one: > https://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110621063752AAacgls > > Do please let us know if you have any success and through which source, > good > hunting, Chris > > > On 1 May 2014, at 06:49, Jan <norest1@bigpond.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Dear List, > > > > I would be most grateful if you are able to assist me in tracing > information regarding my ancestor BALDOCK William who received a NORTH WEST > FRONTIER MEDAL 1908. > > > > BALDOCK William  was born 1889 in Australia, and served in WW1, which I > have a copy of his Military Service Record, however, it does not mention > the > North West Frontier Medal 1908, nor The Croix de Guerre which he also > received. > > > > I have been unable to find any information regarding the medals, and if > you are able to advise me where I may be able to obtain any information I > would appreciate it. > > > > I look forward to your reply, and many thanks for your help. > > > > Regards, > > Jan > > Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7416 - Release Date: 04/29/14 > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7379 - Release Date: 04/22/14 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Narendra ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message