G'day folks, On 10/05/2008, at 11:06 PM, John Kendall wrote: <<The saying appeared in Punch twice, some years apart, one was the cartoon and (I think) the earlier was a small 1 paragraph aside. I have them in my Punch collection somewhere, I'll try and look it out. Nevertheless it is still an urban myth that Napier sent any such signal. Similarly the provenance of Colin Campbell's signal "Nunc fortunatus sum" (I am in Luck now) in 1857 is also doubted.>> And let us not forget Lord Dalhousie.....when he annexed Oudh he is supposed to have sent a despatch 'Vovi' - "I've vowed" - I have Oudh. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

Hi guys, Is this a case of deja vous, or have we really visited this before?!! :)) Quote: "The seizure of the province was unpopular back in England and in May 1844 a quick-witted seventeen year old girl, Catherine Winkworth, wrote in to Punch, suggesting that Napier's despatch to Lord Ellenborough should have read Peccavi - the Latin for 'I have sinned.' Cheers, Lynne. :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" <wulguru.wantok@gmail.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] SINDH AND SINNED: GENERAL CHARLES NAPIERANDHIS IMPERIAL PUN > G'day folks, > > On 10/05/2008, at 11:06 PM, John Kendall wrote: > > <<The saying appeared in Punch twice, some years apart, one was the > cartoon > and (I think) the earlier was a small 1 paragraph aside. I have them > in my > Punch collection somewhere, I'll try and look it out. Nevertheless it > is > still an urban myth that Napier sent any such signal. Similarly the > provenance of Colin Campbell's signal "Nunc fortunatus sum" (I am in > Luck > now) in 1857 is also doubted.>> > > And let us not forget Lord Dalhousie.....when he annexed Oudh he is > supposed to have sent a despatch 'Vovi' - "I've vowed" - I have Oudh. > > > ooroo > > If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. > > Anon. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 > 12:38 PM > >

Quite right Lynne, it has, and can be seen in the archives. And just to put this to bed once and for all, the following is from the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations: "11.113 Catherine Winkworth 1827-78 Peccavi-I have Sindh. Of Sir Charles Napier's conquest of Sind (1843). Pun sent to Punch, 13 May 1844, and printed as 'the most laconic despatch ever issued', supposedly sent by Napier to Lord Ellenborough, in 'Punch' vol. 6, p.209, 18 May 1844. N. M. Billimoria 'Proceedings of the Sind Historical Society' 2 (1938) and 'Notes & Queries' (1954) p. 219." Best regards John -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lynne Hadley Sent: 10 May 2008 15:27 To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] SINDH AND SINNED: GENERAL CHARLES NAPIERANDHIS IMPERIAL PUN Hi guys, Is this a case of deja vous, or have we really visited this before?!! :)) Quote: "The seizure of the province was unpopular back in England and in May 1844 a quick-witted seventeen year old girl, Catherine Winkworth, wrote in to Punch, suggesting that Napier's despatch to Lord Ellenborough should have read Peccavi - the Latin for 'I have sinned.' Cheers, Lynne. :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" <wulguru.wantok@gmail.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] SINDH AND SINNED: GENERAL CHARLES NAPIERANDHIS IMPERIAL PUN > G'day folks, > > On 10/05/2008, at 11:06 PM, John Kendall wrote: > > <<The saying appeared in Punch twice, some years apart, one was the > cartoon > and (I think) the earlier was a small 1 paragraph aside. I have them > in my > Punch collection somewhere, I'll try and look it out. Nevertheless it > is > still an urban myth that Napier sent any such signal. Similarly the > provenance of Colin Campbell's signal "Nunc fortunatus sum" (I am in > Luck > now) in 1857 is also doubted.>> > > And let us not forget Lord Dalhousie.....when he annexed Oudh he is > supposed to have sent a despatch 'Vovi' - "I've vowed" - I have Oudh. > > > ooroo > > If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. > > Anon. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.14/1425 - Release Date: 5/9/2008 > 12:38 PM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Lynne, On 11/05/2008, at 12:27 AM, Lynne Hadley wrote: > Is this a case of deja vous, or have we really visited this > before?!! :)) Yes, but more facts come to life as time goes by and we also have a few new Listers. :-) ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

True!! Doesn't worry me if it's revisited, John.........just that it was proven long ago not to have been Napier's quip. I wish it had been, since he was a distant rellie.......but alas, the smart genes seem to have petered out very early in the piece when it comes to my family!! :))) Cheers, Lynne. :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" <wulguru.wantok@gmail.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] SINDH AND SINNED: GENERAL CHARLESNAPIERANDHIS IMPERIAL PUN > G'day Lynne, > > On 11/05/2008, at 12:27 AM, Lynne Hadley wrote: > > > Is this a case of deja vous, or have we really visited this > > before?!! :)) > > Yes, but more facts come to life as time goes by and we also have a > few new Listers. > > :-) > > > > > ooroo > > If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. > > Anon. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.15/1426 - Release Date: > 5/10/2008 11:12 AM >