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> > This site was sent to me because in times past, I had asked after the Kerr sisters - Daphne and Dawn - daughters of a tea planter in the tea district of the > Dooars and North Eastern Himalayas that included our own neck of the woods. The sisters had been in Dow Hill with me. > > I have chosen a section from this Koi Hai site, titled ‘memories’. The Scottish accents are familiar for they were still there playing cricket in > Darjeeling while I joined their wives to watch (in the 1950s.) > > It is rather a long muse between old friends but, a most interesting one. Dr. Graham’s homes is mentioned because of a social phenomenon which came about as a result of young bachelor planters not permitted to marry for twenty-three years. Some tried to keep their children but in the 1900s, it was not unusual for planters to gift the homes with a lump some on the condition that their children would be looked after. nb. Those orphans received a good education particularly in mechanical fields and were ’snapped’ up when the time came for their young men to venture into the working world. > > Try to stay with it - it is part of India’s history to which our generation were privy. > > P.S I was surprised to see that Peter Sarstedt’s music figures ! > > HOPE you enjoy - as I do for I love to listen to ‘old men’s’ stories ! > > Wishes ~ > Sally > > http://www.koi-hai.com/Default.aspx?site=Koi+Hai

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Some interesting stuff here. http://www.koi-hai.com/Default.aspx ooroo

Dear Listers, my uncle Hubert George Oliver Army #3974504 joined The Welch Regt on 29 Nov 1940 at Bombay. From a telegram his wife received 13 Dec 194? (year obliterated by Post Office stamp) he was previously missing in action but reported to be a POW till his release and discharge 27 May 1948 he was WO1 (Warrant Officer Class 1) and was serving with the REME (Royal Electrical and Mechanical Engineers) Corp at that time - Trade shown as Engineer. Is there somewhere I can search records to see when and where he was imprisoned (I think it was by the Japs in Burma) Sadly he only lived 10 years after that. Kind Regards Kerry

Mar 24, 2014 In the First World War, ''victory was made possible by Indian troops. Without us, world history would have taken a different course." Sadly, India today seems unwilling to claim her position in history. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/100-years-on-India-confused-about-its-role-in-WWI/articleshow/32609246.cms ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Hi David, While researching the Straits Steamer TONZE (anti-pirate gunboat and 'penny-ferry') which sailed under the flag abbreviated to 'B' - possibly for Bengal, I came across this reference to the SIR WILLIAM PEEL which I don't think I sent before, and which introduces another aspect, here being a hospital ship. Perhaps a bit early for your enquiry? Still looking for more about the TONZE and am now searching on the Rootsweb forum for British Mariners Chris 'The British arms in north China & Japan: Peking 1860; Kagosima 1862 by D. F. Renie M.D. publ. John Mueeay London 1864 The Third Chinese War Chapter 6 SIR ROBERT NAPIER, P.55 [extract] July 10th. 1860 - Communication with the opposite side is carried on by means of small steamers that have been sent from India for service on the Peiho ; they are essentially river boats, and are known in the fleet by the sobriquet of the "penny-boats." One starts every morning shortly after day-break from alongside the flag-ship, and goes the round of the various bays where ships are at anchor. I crossed the bay in one of them called the " TONZE " this morning. I went to the 'SIR WILLIAM PEEL steamer, the hospital ship of the second division, to see my brother, under whose charge she is. I found the arrangements for the sick very good ; the vessel being fitted with iron bedsteads in place of wooden bunks. I landed with my brother, and passed through the camps of the Buffs and the 8th Punjaubees towards the crest of a hill, where I found my younger brother with a detachment of the 44th. http://www.archive.org/stream/britisharmsinno00renngoog/britisharmsinno00ren ngoog_djvu.txt _____ From: David Railton [mailto:railton.david@btinternet.com] Sent: 25 August 2013 10:15 To: 'Chris Woods' Subject: RE: Capt. T.H. Jewett Hello again, Chris. I have not found very much, if anything, about the Bengal Marine. A subject that I have yet to devote any time to. There is this web page devoted to the subject: http://www.barnettmaritime.co.uk/mainbengal.htm There are a number of books published about the HEIC Marine but little that I can see about the Bengal Marine as it became in the 1850s and nothing, I have found, about the branch of the Bengal Marine, the Inland Steam Service, which Thomas was employed by. David From: Chris Woods [mailto:c.woods45@btinternet.com] Sent: 25 August 2013 09:05 To: David Railton Subject: Re: Capt. T.H. Jewett Hi David, this is a whole new area of maritime research for me so I am struggling a bit. looking at the FIBIS site for the Bengal Marine there is reference to their giving their officers ranks to equate to military ranks for when they were serving on military operations. Also the Bengal Marine appears to be a forerunner to the (Royal) Indian Navy. The use of the rank Commander is not found in the merchant marine although of course, the Bengal Marine seems to have done things differently, with their quasi Naval status. The American aspect i fascinating. I don't know enough about this Bengal Marine and can find no reference to the 'Sir William Peel' in their lists of ships, but that is only from looking at the FIBIS site and their links to the British Library, however I have put out some feelers about the ship in the Victorian Royal Navy site. The British Library (India and Asia section) has all the surviving records of HEIC - is that where you found Thomas's employment with them? i still have not worked out how a Government vessel, other than a naval vessel, is not registered as a merchant vessel - the only 'Sir Willliam Peel' registered as a merchant vessel was that blockade runner arrested of the coast of Mexico, but again, HEIC and presumably the Bengal Mariner were allowed a certain degree of independance, but then, its strange that your ship does not appear in their lists either. I would be most interested in anything you have found about H.M. Inland Steam Services of the Government of Bengal of this period (I see there is quite a bit on line from the 20th. C.). I have occasionally been able to offer some amateur help to others on questions about the Royal Indian Navy, but not this far back. It would be very satisfactory to sort this out for you and hope tog et back with more info., if possible, Chris via iPad On 24 Aug 2013, at 17:21, "David Railton" <railton.david@btinternet.com> wrote: Thanks Chris, I do have all the family history that's on the web and more. The second and third items refer to children of Thomas Henry's son, Thomas Hope Jewett. I am interested in your suggestion that Thomas was an RN man. I doubt it but it would be interesting if I could be proved wrong. Thomas Henry Jewett was a citizen of the USA having been born in Candia, New Hampshire in 1806, whose father was a Harvard graduate who was a teacher, a shoemaker and a farmer and whose family had been in USA since they escaped religious persecution in England for being too protestant during the reign of Henry VIII. (a not unusual occurrence in my family history). Thomas Henry Jewett was initially employed by the Honourable East India Company's Marine Service, and after the take-over of India from HEIC by the British Government in the 1850s, by Her Majesty's Inland Steam Service, a department of the Government of Bengal. My understanding has always been that, as such, he was neither RN or Merchant Navy. David From: Chris Woods [mailto:c.woods45@btinternet.com] Sent: 24 August 2013 16:50 To: railton.david@btinternet.com Subject: Capt. T.H. Jewett Confirmation that Thomas was 'Captain' of HMS Sir William Peel also referred to as HMS Peel (probably erroneously) http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=836949 1867 Capt. HMS Peel Calcutta presumably the HMS SIR William Peel http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=670602 http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=685962 1871 Dec 9th at Calcutta Mrs D Jewett the wife of Commander T H Jewett HMS Sir William Peel http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=819292 http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_detail.php?id=673996 Death 1878 at Dinapore Thomas Henry Jewett late Captain in HM's Inland Steam Service aged 64 years. The term 'Captain' in the Royal Navy is both a rank (4 ringer) and also a position. The term 'Commander' in the royal Navy is a rank - 3 ringer = one below Captain. I would suggest that Thomas was a Commander in the Royal Navy, serving as the senior officer of HMS Sir William Peel in which position he was known as her Captain. {In the Merchant Navy (mercantile marine in the 19th. Century) there is no rank of Captain. The senior officer is the ship's Master and since WW1 he holds the honoury rank of Captain.} Hope this is of some interest although I guess you already have the data. I'm working on finding out more about your naval vessel. Anything else I can help with, of a salty interest? Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David > Railton > Sent: 21 August 2013 22:14 > To: INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ > Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Calcutta based steamer 1867 > > I have seen a marriage record from 1869 Calcutta which refers to the > father of the groom as being of the 'H.M. str. Sir William Peel'. I > assume that this is an abbreviation for Her Majesty's steamer 'Sir > William Peel'. I know that this would have been a Calcutta based > vessel probably owned by the Government of Bengal and probably > operating on the River Hooghly. > > > > Can anyone give me any information about this ship or point me in the > direction where I may find it? > > > > David No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3211/6607 - Release Date: 08/25/13

I doubt that any British who fought alongside Indians would have "downplayed their contribution" It is among their recollections that the true contribution of India will be found, and among the dusty 'Official History of the War" series, including the editions published at the request of the (Raj) Government of India Chris Whose uncle was proud of having lived and fought with the Indians of the Indian Army 1917-47 > On 25 Mar 2014, at 06:30, "Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar" <bosham@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Mar 24, 2014 > > In the First World War, ''victory was made possible by Indian troops. > Without us, world history would have taken a different course." > > Sadly, India today seems unwilling to claim her position in history. > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/100-years-on-India-confused-about-its-role-in-WWI/articleshow/32609246.cms > > > ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I may have posted this before… In Brighton, England, there is a very interesting memorial dedicated to this cause. http://www.chattri.com/index.php?Brief_History http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattri_(Brighton) The sea-side town is definitely a lovely, lovely resting place. ooroo

This is great news. It's sad that the Anglo-Burmese men who fought in WWII were never listed as such, including my father who was in Intelligence in the 14th Indian. Many many of them not only performed great acts of courage and heroism, so many of them gave their most and lost their lives. Not a one of them has ever been honored and they are just listed as Indian soldiers. Sandra USA -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Feltham Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 12:22 PM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Britain to Honour Indian Soldiers from WWI Britain to honour WWI Indian soldiers Tribune News Service New Delhi, March 14 Indian soldiers who fought World War I (1914-1918) will be honoured by the United Kingdom through a series of events commemorating the 100th anniversary of the battle this year. The British High Commission, along with the United Service Institution (USI) of India, has planned a series of events. One of the biggest events will be at the British High Commissioner's residence here on October 30. Leading dignitaries and representatives from India, UK and other countries involved in WW-I will be invited. Said High Commissioner of Britain to India, Sir James Bevan, "One million Indian soldiers fought the war and over 70,000 Indian servicemen died. We intend to honour their memory this year with an important series of events." Events will be organised in the UK, India and around the world and will see the participation of representatives from every country whose soldiers took part in the historic war. The tribute will include publication of regimental diaries. "This will be a commemoration, not a celebration. Our aim is to show respect and gratitude to those who died and to their families and to ensure that today's young people learn the facts and the lessons of that conflict and to promote a common resolve among all nations involved in WW-I to ensure a peaceful and just world for future generations," the High Commissioner said. Besides the Indian Army, the Navy also played a significant role in the war. Indians also served in the Army Flying Corps and several won military honours, including the highest military honour, Victoria Cross, an official said. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Britain to honour WWI Indian soldiers Tribune News Service New Delhi, March 14 Indian soldiers who fought World War I (1914-1918) will be honoured by the United Kingdom through a series of events commemorating the 100th anniversary of the battle this year. The British High Commission, along with the United Service Institution (USI) of India, has planned a series of events. One of the biggest events will be at the British High Commissioner's residence here on October 30. Leading dignitaries and representatives from India, UK and other countries involved in WW-I will be invited. Said High Commissioner of Britain to India, Sir James Bevan, "One million Indian soldiers fought the war and over 70,000 Indian servicemen died. We intend to honour their memory this year with an important series of events.” Events will be organised in the UK, India and around the world and will see the participation of representatives from every country whose soldiers took part in the historic war. The tribute will include publication of regimental diaries. “This will be a commemoration, not a celebration. Our aim is to show respect and gratitude to those who died and to their families and to ensure that today's young people learn the facts and the lessons of that conflict and to promote a common resolve among all nations involved in WW-I to ensure a peaceful and just world for future generations,” the High Commissioner said. Besides the Indian Army, the Navy also played a significant role in the war. Indians also served in the Army Flying Corps and several won military honours, including the highest military honour, Victoria Cross, an official said.

Dear Listers, .........once again with feeling.......er.....that should be frustration ........I post these names in the hope that there may be some 'country cousins' out there who can connect or help....would anyone with connections to these *Edwards, Wallis, St. Martin, Morgan, Murray *families get in touch! John Edwards (my g-g-g-uncle) born (probably Quillon 1809) married Margaret Boucher b 30.4. 1826 Madras d/o Richard Boucher Capt. 3rd Battln. Artillery and Elizabeth his wife married at St Mark's Cathedral 30 March 1846. John was the brother of William Lindsay who's 3rd wife was Henrietta Van Ingen (of Mysore Taxidermist fame). The brothers were also linked to the famous Orr (Jewelers) and Barton (Photographers) families of Madras/Bangalore through marriage. There is a record of John's death 27 November 1869 Bangalore from a cousin's old family diary and Margaret's death is 25 March 1868 UK.....(no record on LDS FIBIS OR IOR) which is not surprising as to their limitation. Of the children......... 1. John Sewell (Savell) Edwards b: 4 March 1847 in Bangalore d: 29 May 1907 in Hyderabad (no more is known) 2. Alfred Edmund Edwards b: 25 April 1848 in Madras Baptised: 23 June 1848 in Bangalore (no more is known) 3. Walter Douglas Edwards b: 7 October 1849 in Bangalore Baptised 01 Jan 1850 in Banglaore (no more is known) 4. Margaret Henrietta Edwards b: 9 April 1851 in Bangalore married William Henry Wallis b: Abt. 1842 22 November 1871 in Holy Trinity Church Bangalore (no record of any children) 5. Cecilia Elizabeth Ann Edwards b: 19 June 1853 in Bangalore d: 15 May 1904 in Kilpauk Madras married Robert Henry St. Martin b: 1848 on 11 December 1872 in Madras d: 28 May 1911 in Perambur Madras children - Effie Margaret St. Martin , Sybil Amanda St. Martin, Beryl Violet Gwendaline St. Martin, Adrian Gerald St. Martin. Effie married John George Morgan on 18 January 1899 St Thomas Mt Madras - children George Eric Morgan 30 January 1904 Srinagar, John Hugh Morgan 24 September 1905 Madras, Dorothy Betty Morgan 28 June 1907 Agra. Other children died in infancy. 6. Ada Simpson Edwards b: 29 September 1854 in Bangalore Married George Loxdale (Lovedale) Murray b: 1833 on 23 December 1874 in Madras Children - Lancelot Loxdale Murray and Murial Ada Murray 7. Daniel Reynolds Edwards b: 11 October 1856 in Bangalore Baptised: 9 December 1856 in Bangalore d: 11 July 1860 in Bangalore 8. Sydney William Edwards b: 26 September 1858 in Bangalore (no more is known) Khudha Hafiz Kerry

Sir George Arthur (1784-1854) governor of Bombay from 1842 to '46. The man who gave India the concept of holidays - chhuttee - suttee. How Bombay gave India its weekend breaks and holidays http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/et-cetera/how-bombay-gave-india-its-weekend-breaks-and-holidays/articleshow/17998442.cms?intenttarget=no ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

12 March 2014 Thomas Jewell Bennett: an early supporter of Indian Home Rule 'Private letters are like gold-dust', I was told when my family donated to the British Library a small collection of letters and printed documents belonging to my great-uncle by marriage, Sir Thomas Jewell Bennett (1852-1925). As editor and principal proprietor of The Times of India, 1894-1901, he modernised and expanded the business until it would come to be regarded as the leading newspaper in Asia. (snip) http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/untoldlives/2014/03/thomas-jewell-bennett-an-early-supporter-of-indian-home-rule.html ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

G’day folks, I last heard from Sanjay back in 2001. He has asked me to post this information about a second book on Calcutta [Kolkata] for those who remember the place. :-) ooroo Read on… Calcutta just after the Raj, for those who remember, and those who never knew it Books published in India often get but little exposure in the world beyond it, perhaps largely because information does not get disseminated outside India as easily or as automatically as one might think, even in our globalised age. But there are many internationally who might find that information of interest, and it does no harm to pass it around. Rani Sircar. Strains in a Minor Key: A Celebration of Sixty Years in Calcutta, Kolkata: Gangchil, 2014, published this year, would be of interest to those who still remember the Raj, or are the descendants of people who do. It shows what happened to that colonial world and its inhabitants. It can be had directly from the publishers Gangchil (<gangchil.books@gmail.com>) or from a bookseller who takes foreign currency directly and has much experience of sending work abroad: Ram Advani <radvanilko@gmail.com> This celebration of life in Calcutta over sixty years covers the period from just after Independence to the present. In this postcolonial milieu, an old British mansion, a landmark on the main street of Chowringhee, crumbles into a slum, newly constructed suburbs rise, customs and mores change and a world soon to fade from living memory is gradually transformed. A variegated and colourful cast populates this world: stayers-on, Anglo-Indian schoolmistresses, Jewish colleagues, Indian Christian parsons, aristocratic zemindars, filmstars, the various smart sets, the American diplomatic enclave, dowagers, the new rich, ethnic Chinese entrepreneurs, manservants and maidservants and providers of services with a smile. The writer perceives place and people with a sharp eye as she teaches in her spinsterhood, whirls through the daily merry-go-round of married domestic life, and faces widowhood in an old peoples’ home. Against the background of the place, to the music of memory the people move as, with wit and grace, Rani Sircar sings of her life and times in Calcutta. This is Sircar’s second autobiographical/sociological account of Anglicised Indian and minority-community urban life, a companion volume to her Dancing Round the Maypole: Growing Out of British India (2003). There might be nothing else quite like these two insider accounts of life in India by one who moves effortlessly through diverse social spheres, some almost sealed off from each other and some relatively inaccessible to outsiders. Rani Sircar. Dancing Round the Maypole. Rupa, New Delhi, 2003. A set of lighthearted, thought-provoking vignettes from the past. It holds up a mirror to a vanished milieu, that of a particular sort of anglicised Indian family, which was proudly Indian, proudly Christian and both directly influenced by and resisting the British customs of undivided India. This milieu took cultural hybridity unselfconsciously for granted. Indian schoolgirls learnt traditional English songs without realising at the time the incongruities in what they were learning. With anglicisation came inevitable conflicts --- for example, whether an Indian child joining the Bluebirds (the junior Girl Guides) should take an oath swearing loyalty to the English King. Images of school, home, and social life in pukka Colombo, fun-loving Lahore and changing Madras, of holidays across the country, flow by from before Independence till after 1947. Then we see the still largely white mercantile society of early post-Independence Clive Street, Calcutta, and the emerging breed of brown sahibs and the maintenance of the rarefied hothouse ambience of pomp and circumstance, which had traditionally marked British commercial life in Calcutta. But sola topi-ed sahibs and memsahibs, elaborate visiting-card rituals, club life and hard-drinking tea-planters vanish, and the ways of the early brown sahibs are succeeded by a new sort of cultural mixture in India. Dancing Round the Maypole is now apparently out of print in India, but there are inexpensive secondhand copies to be had per courtesy of the internet. In 2003, two posters on the Raj India-list on rootsweb on the internet wrote in on it. One said: "I am reading a wonderful book to my Grandmother at the moment and wondered if it would be OK to tell the list about it. The Book is: DANCING ROUND THE MAYPOLE: GROWING OUT OF BRITISH INDIA By Rani Sircar. Publishers Rupa & Co ISBN: 8129101068. Mark Tully gave a good review of it which can still be seen online at The Telegraph - Calcutta : Opinion... This book has brought back a lot of memories to my Grandmother that I hadn't heard her tell us before and I feel sure that other people on the list would enjoy it as much as we have." Another, with "no commercial interest" in book or bookseller, called it one of two "very enjoyable, light hearted memoirs which I feel sure at least some listers will enjoy as much as I did" . Critics said: Through “Colombo, Chennai, Lahore”, “on a Kiplingesque journey” exploring one of the “dimensions to the relationship between the coloniser and the colonised”: its “transactional aspect”; “a simultaneous absorption of and resistance to all that the British in India stood for”. “Complementary to…Kipling, Forster and Paul Scott”, this book breaks with the foreign “Raj nostalgia” which “Indian readers have had an overdose of”. What “Allen Sealy [Trotter-Nama] and Aparna Sen [36, Chowringhee Lane]” did for Anglo-Indians, “Rani Sircar can do…for the Indian Christians.”- Purabi Panwar, The Business Standard “This book will be important for historians”, “giving them an insight into important but insufficiently studied communities”, “important for Calcutta too”. Sircar. “says she reminisces…because her memories have ‘perhaps a certain curiosity value’. They are worth more than that.”- Mark Tully, The Telegraph “Light-hearted and enjoyable”, it “reminded me of Rudyard Kipling’s stories”, but suffused “with compassion and sensitivity”, moving “between the white, brown and tanned lives…” These “sharp-eyed recollections of cultural tensions…should be enjoyed by all with fine indiscrimination.”- Lynne Rebeiro, Anglo-Indians in Touch (Canada) “Various cultures and sub-cultures are portrayed in this mosaic, images of school, home and social life…evocative,…clever, funny, nostalgic and elegantly contoured….”- SLM, Chowkidar, BACSA (UK) “I was struck again by the quality of [Rani Sircar’s] writing”. Her narrative “has a discursive element, besides the richness and depth to grasp reality in its many dimensions,” which “integrate its fragments” into a coherent flow”. Along with her “strong, principled and rather unusual” parents, her “account of boxwallah society” with “a ring of authenticity”, a “bonus is always her prose!”- Hiranmay Karlekar, The Pioneer “Times and ways of life long gone” —Sircar “capture[s] it all.” - The Indian Express. “A time of significant political transition” “but also the “joie de vivre of a bygone era.” - The Statesman. “A time that had plenty of colour,…Sircar succeeds in bringing it alive.”- The Times of India "Sights, smells and sounds of a colonial India, of bioscope, butlers and bakhsheesh,…of brown sahibs and white mems” come in “fables fruity and nutty like Indian Christian Christmas-cake, or tart-y and tangy like mulligatawny. … The answer is…perhaps, in another round of maypole dancing!” - Bhavana Pankaj, The Tribune

So sad to read this. RIP. --- Harshawardhan ----- Original Message ----- FYI re John Lacey! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- We regret to inform you, however, that John Lacey, who was one of our foremost contributors of old railway pictures and other historical material, is sadly no more with us. He passed away in 2012. The IRFCA administrators -----------------------------

Oh this is sad! RIP John Lacey. Sandra USA -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 1:51 PM To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Fwd: Old Bogies So sad to read this. RIP. --- Harshawardhan ----- Original Message ----- FYI re John Lacey! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- We regret to inform you, however, that John Lacey, who was one of our foremost contributors of old railway pictures and other historical material, is sadly no more with us. He passed away in 2012. The IRFCA administrators ----------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Harsha, FYI re John Lacey! Kind Regards Kerry ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: IRFCA Webmaster <webmaster@irfca.org> Date: 14 March 2014 12:45 Subject: Re: Old Bogies To: Kerry Edwards <ozmulki@gmail.com> Cc: IRFCA Gallery Administration <gallery@irfca.org> Dear Mr Edwards, Thank you for your mail. We're glad the photographs in our gallery were of interest to you. We may have some more old carriage photographs, but unfortunately most of our uploaded images from years past were not categorized or tagged well so it may be a challenge to search for and find them in the gallery, but we'll take a look. We regret to inform you, however, that John Lacey, who was one of our foremost contributors of old railway pictures and other historical material, is sadly no more with us. He passed away in 2012. Regards, The IRFCA administrators ----------------------------- Contact: webmaster@irfca.org IRFCA web site: http://www.irfca.org IRFCA gallery: http://www.irfca.org/gallery IRFCA forum: http://forum.irfca.org On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Kerry Edwards <ozmulki@gmail.com> wrote: > Good Morning, > > I was impressed by the old photos of the bogies/trains on your site. I was > looking for the old style 4/6 berth 1st class bogie interiors - the > carriage had its own 'en-suite' and the doors opened onto the platform. > > Have you got any of these or know where I can get a few of their photos? > > Brought back many memories of travel as a child....thank you. > > Is there a direct contact email for John Lacy? > > Kind Regards > > Kerry > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry Edwards" Thanks to Harsha, I tracked down the 'train scene' from the Hindi film Teezari Manzil ....the carriage is exactly the one I was looking for...it was possibly a 6 berth where the film crew had camped to film the shot! Nostalgic memories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5ybeCT8xCk Thanks everyone for their help and comments. =================================================== Hope you enjoyed that clip, Kerry. It's one of the iconic movies of our Hindi celluloid world - mainly because of the heavenly music. I must have seen it at least 30-40 times in the last 45 years. That apart, the reason I am writing this second mail is I want to know how many of our readers have seen this old, 1939 Hindi movie ''Imperial Mail''? I know nothing about it except that as the name suggests, the celebrated Imperial Indian Mail (also called the OVERLAND MAIL) running beween Bombay VT and Calcutta via Bhusawal, Etarsi, Jabalpur, and Allahabad is somehow connected with the plot. My point is, if you can manage to see this movie, you'll probably hit the jackpot. Of course it would be B&W, I guess. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0398119/ I don't have to remind you of the history of this once most prestigious and luxurious train in the entire British Empire. It still operates as Mumbai - Howrah Mail but it is now not even the shadow of its former glorious self. Somebody has uploaded a video as a paean or requiem in its honour. See = The Story of IMPERIAL INDIAN MAIL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBjWrZ0F7Kk Lastly, here is another interesting bit of info. You must have seen David Lean's movie A passage to India, based on E M Forster's (in)famous novel. Do you remember the train scenes from this film? The 'Imperial Mail' that Mrs Moore and Adela travel on to get to Chandrapore is perhaps the 'Imperial Indian Mail' which we are talking about. See if you can find out more about the trains/train models used for this film. To begin with, here is a page you might find useful: http://www.mapability.com/travel/p2i/railway.php Any lead on Mr John Lacey? Best, ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar