I am just watching a news report from Al-Jazeera on old railway carriages sitting rusting in Nepal on a now defunct narrow-guage railway that has been in the process of being upgraded for three years no (casing much hardship and expense to the locals).  If someone can actually get to Adrian Shooterand let him know, he seems to be the kind of person with the kind of network that would rescue these bits of 80-year old heritage, and might even do the locals a bit of good in the process, if he does things right.  I am a great believer in heritage being preserved, regardless of who does it orhat ideology operates in the process.   I wonder about the eviction of the people who actually lived in Orwell's Motihari bungalow, though - sans any provision being made for them. But if what was old Bihar benefits  in any way from that bungalow still standing rather than just being demolished as Clive's house was,  and if indeed it brings a little tourism and education to the area, it would be good.  I only hope it isn't just the usual middlemen who benefit.   Sanjay Sircar ________________________________ From: Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar via <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2014 5:03 PM Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] An Indian Relic in Oxfordshire Aug 14, 2014 Meet Adrian Shooter - the Englishman who drives in ENGLAND a car made in India. He loves his Ambassador. He also owns a steam locomotive that once used to pull DHR - Darjeeling Himalayan Railway trains. The 1889 British-built steam engine, used in the Darjeeling hills in India till 1962, was bought from a private collector in Chicago. http://forbesindia.com/article/play/an-indian-relic-in-oxfordshire/38383/1 ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can anyone tell me anything or direct me to information about Ensign William Graham (1743-1829) other than the epitaph on his tomb quoted by Theon Wilkinson in 'Two Monsoons'? David Railton

11 August 2014 The Indian Animal Farm where George Orwell was born By Suhail Haleem BBC World Service, Bihar http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28739420 ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Amelia, Somewhile ago you requested info. on records for the name Nicholson. There are three people of this surname mentioned in "The Bengal Obituary" which was reprinted by BACSA. They are :- Adam Nicholson, died 1832, aged 58 years. Charles Nicholson, died 1819, aged 75 years. Mrs. Thomas Nicholson, died 1808, aged 31 years. Can forward memorial inscriptions if required. brinds

http://www.poheritage.com/our-history/company-guides/british-india-steam-navigation-company/NextPage?pageIndex=0 British India Steam Navigation Company Operator of passenger and cargo services in Indian waters, the Bay of Bengal, the Gulf and to Japan, Australia and East Africa as well as ‘Home Lines’ from the UK Pre-P&O Years The founder of the British India Steam Navigation Company (BI) was William Mackinnon (b.1823-d.1893) who, in partnership with William Mackenzie (ca.1810-d.1853) operated as a general merchant near Calcutta. In the mid-1850s Mackinnon, Mackenzie & Company secured the East India Company's mail contract between Calcutta and Rangoon and founded the Calcutta & Burmah Steam Navigation Company Ltd, registered in Glasgow in 1856, with a capital of £35,000. Within five years of its foundation, the company had expanded considerably: from Burma, its ships were serving Penang and Singapore, while dozens of small ports along the Indian coast were being opened up to large-scale traffic by its service between Calcutta and Bombay. A mail contract to cover the whole of this route was being negotiated, and a similar contract up and down the Persian Gulf was being contemplated by the Government. In 1861 Mackinnon raised £400,000 to establish the British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd, and ordered six larger ships. The new company, which absorbed the Calcutta & Burmah Company, was registered in Scotland in 1862. The original Mackinnon, Mackenzie & Company in Calcutta continued to exist and operate as BI’s managing agents, a function which they were to fulfil for nigh on a hundred years. BI secured a network of mail contract services – Bombay/Karachi, Bombay/Gulf, Bombay/Calcutta and Madras/Rangoon – which became the backbone of its operations. Until the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869, BI operated exclusively in eastern waters, and thereafter the larger part of its fleet was employed in 'foreign-to-foreign' trades. BI developed a distinctive organisational structure with the Calcutta Office having wide decision-making powers as managing agents and operators of the Eastern services. On the next level were the principal agencies at most of the main ports (either branches of Mackinnon Mackenzie or affiliated to them) each having a large number of smaller independent agencies. In addition there was a network of company-owned repair facilities at Garden Reach Workshops in Calcutta or Mazagon Dock in Bombay where all but the most complicated repairs and overhauls were carried out. There was a board of Directors in the UK and the Company Secretary, based in Glasgow until 1892 and thereafter in London, was the liaison between them and the management in Calcutta. BI’s progress in the next decade was further eastwards. Entry into the Dutch East Indies internal trade was achieved by the formation in 1865 of a Dutch flag company, the Netherlands India Steam Navigation Company and a connection with China was made in 1868, in conjunction with Messageries Maritimes of France. There was also westward expansion, BI taking a share of the Moslem pilgrim traffic to Jeddah from 1869 and later carrying P&O mails, passengers and cargo from Aden to Zanzibar. The first 'Home Line' (in BI parlance a service to and from the United Kingdom) was inaugurated in 1874, to take advantage of the opening of the Suez Canal. The service was a four-weekly one, from London to Aden, Karachi and the Gulf. A second such line, from London to Calcutta by way of Suez, Colombo and Madras, was established in 1876. From the earliest days of their partnership, Mackinnon and Mackenzie had traded with Australia, but not until 1881 was a mail contract arranged with the Queensland Government, although it lasted only until 1895. BI ships on the Australian run were operated under the 'British India Associated Steamers' name, to differentiate them from vessels earmarked for the company's main trading routes. Throughout this period BI had been consolidating its position with the Indian and home governments as a partner in the business of moving troops and military stores by sea. This partnership persisted to the end of the sea-borne trooping era in the early 1960s, and BI continued to manage some Fleet Auxiliaries until 1970. BI’s connection to East Africa was formally established in 1890 by a regular service from London to Zanzibar via Aden and Mombasa. This had political as well as commercial overtones: commercially, Zanzibar was the jumping-off place for the Seychelles, Mauritius and Reunion, for Madagascar via the Comoro Islands, and for Mozambique and Delagoa Bay; politically, the formation of the Imperial British East Africa Company in 1887 was a venture in which William Mackinnon personally invested about a quarter of the capital. However, by 1895 the company had been bought by the (British) Foreign Office. Japan was included in the BI itineraries in 1907, when a regular Calcutta/Rangoon/Japan service was started. Participation in the trade was strengthened in 1912 by the purchase of the Apcar Line, the property of two Armenian merchants and shipowners of Calcutta, who, since 1901, had had a cargo pooling agreement with BI. Another one of BI’s varied services was the transport of Indian workers from the Coromandel coast to Burma, Malaya, East Africa and Mauritius from 1892 to 1932. In 1912 the company made a second acquisition and acquired joint control, shared with the Asiatic Steam Navigation Company, of the Bombay & Persia Steam Navigation Company, a significant carrier of Moslem pilgrims on the annual Haj, later the Mogul Line. On his death in 1893 Sir William Mackinnon was succeeded as BI chairman by James Macalister Hall (1823-1904) and he was followed by his own nephew Duncan Mackinnon (1844-1918). The appointment in 1913 of James Lyle Mackay (later Earl of Inchcape, 1852-1932) as chairman foreshadowed the takeover of BI by P&O in 1914. Within a year of the takeover, Inchcape had succeeded Sir Thomas Sutherland as chairman of the joint P&O/BI Board of Directors, a post he retained for 17 years. Throughout his tenure, Inchcape was careful to maintain a great degree of autonomy for BI, which kept its own strong characteristics and traditions until the complete absorption of P&O’s subsidiaries into the parent company in October 1971. We have a unique collection of over 25,000 items. Browse our galleries and exhibitions online. The P&O Years The 1914 merger was no sooner achieved than the First World War broke out. BI’s losses were heavy, but were partially offset during the war by the acquisition in 1917 of the Hain Steamship Company (twenty-seven vessels) and James Nourse Ltd (six vessels), although both these concerns retained their operating independence and their own trades. A massive replacement of tonnage after the War led to BI's becoming in 1922 the largest single merchant fleet in the world: 158 vessels of nearly one million tons gross afloat and in regular service. The Earl of Inchcape died in 1932. He was succeeded as chairman of the joint P&O/BI board by his son-in-law, The Hon Alexander Shaw (later Lord Craigmyle) (1883-1944), but Craigmyle’s term was short and he resigned because of ill-health in 1938. His successor was Sir William Crawford Currie (1884-1961), a kinsman of the Mackinnons and a former senior partner of the Calcutta Office. Like Lord Inchcape, he had the great responsibility of leading the P&O Group through a second World War – a war in which almost half of the BI fleet was destroyed. The main post-war problem for BI, apart from fleet reconstruction, was the national shipowning aspirations of a newly-independent India, Pakistan and Burma. The Calcutta/Burma service and the Indian coastal trades were relinquished, but the Home Lines maintained their services between the United Kingdom and Africa, Australia, India, Pakistan and Ceylon (later Sri Lanka). The India/East Africa, Gulf, Straits, Australia and Far East services continued under the operational control of Mackinnon, Mackenzie & Co in Calcutta and Bombay until 1957 when P&O acquired the management company from the Inchcape family and moved most of its functions to a new BI Head Office in London. At the same time the BI board was separated from that of the parent company P&O. The ending of sea-borne trooping left surplus tonnage which was used to introduce educational cruising in 1962, giving employment to a few of BI’s vessels, while in ever closer co-operation with P&O, the UK/Australia and UK/Far East cargo and services were consolidated in the run-up to containerisation in 1969 and 1972 respectively. On 1 October 1971, a major restructuring of the P&O Group into ‘operating divisions’ was completed. As a result, BI’s remaining cargo liners and its passenger/cargo ships in the Indian Ocean and the Gulf were transferred to P&O General Cargo Division and BI's educational cruising was operated by the new Passenger Division (retaining her BI livery). In 1982, the Bombay/Gulf service closed; a year later came the end of educational cruises when Uganda made her way to the Falklands, making her the last ship seen in BI livery. Archive Collection The British India archive collection is deposited on permanent loan to the National Maritime Museum, Greenwich. The collection is fairly comprehensive and includes a variety of material. Minute books, accounts, correspondence, staff records, ships’ technical records and in-house staff journals are available along with other miscellaneous material. A small amount of post-war material on Mackinnon Mackenzie & Company and on Mogul Line is included. To view the full scope of the BI collection, please refer directly to the NMM catalogue. Selected Published Sources Blake, George, BI Centenary 1856-1956 (London, 1956) Laxon, W A and Perry, F W, BI: The British India Steam Navigation Company Ltd (World Ship Society, Kendal, 1994) Saunders, Hilary St George, Valiant Voyaging: A Short History of the British India Steam Navigation Company in the Second World War 1939-1945 (London: Faber, 1948) We have a unique collection of over 25,000 items. Browse our galleries and exhibitions online.

I have enjoyed both poring over the photographs in order to digest as much of the ‘story’ being told as well as, reading the commentary between. Thanks very much S. Sircar, for sharing these for in doing so, we learn just a little bit more India’s soldiers fighting in campaigns on behalf of Britain. At best, it can be said that these young men were exposed to countries and cultures that were never in their ken and - they were well trained to be soldiers on the ground when their own nation gained her Independence. Some excellent pencil portraits of people with fine features. Good wishes ~ Sally Stewart On 24 Jul 2014, at 12:27 pm, S Sircar via <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> wrote: http://scroll.in/article/671238/Rare-images-of-Sikh-soldiers-who-fought-in-World-War-I ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: mukund murty And please don't get me wrong, Chris, the poor dead are to be honoured as also their families, the ones left behind to mourn all their lives. ------------------------------------------ So did Kipling mourn himself after losing his only son on 27 September 1915 during the Battle of Loos, a few weeks after his eighteenth birthday. Kip never really came out of the shock till his death. Yes, we all love, respect, and salute our soldiers. -- Harshawardhan

Well put, indeed... And please don't get me wrong, Chris, the poor dead are to be honoured as also their families, the ones left behind to mourn all their lives. M On 31 July 2014 20:36, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <bosham@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Murty-sahib, > > Methinks you have forgotten the excellent, pithy, and crisp > explanation Pop Kipling gave in defence of all those war > mongers, including politicians and their henchmen: > > << Four things greater than all things are, -- > Women and Horses and Power and War >> > > If there is any better (or specious) reasoning, please tell me. :-) > > --- Harshawardhan, at his cynical best > > ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty > Damn all wars, and medals be damned, there's no glory, just families > without their fathers, brothers, children... And cursed be the politicians > who start them, and never stop them... > > >

I cannot applaud war - usually caused by the greed and/or the failure of the ‘great and powerful’ who seldom get their own hands dirty, but I believe those who are left to do the fighting should not be forgotten, whether they are heroes or not, ands especially by those of us who have not experienced the horrors of war. Chris On 31 Jul 2014, at 16:06, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar via <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Murty-sahib, > > Methinks you have forgotten the excellent, pithy, and crisp > explanation Pop Kipling gave in defence of all those war > mongers, including politicians and their henchmen: > > << Four things greater than all things are, -- > Women and Horses and Power and War >> > > If there is any better (or specious) reasoning, please tell me. :-) > > --- Harshawardhan, at his cynical best > > ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty > Damn all wars, and medals be damned, there's no glory, just families > without their fathers, brothers, children... And cursed be the politicians > who start them, and never stop them... > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Murty-sahib, Methinks you have forgotten the excellent, pithy, and crisp explanation Pop Kipling gave in defence of all those war mongers, including politicians and their henchmen: << Four things greater than all things are, -- Women and Horses and Power and War >> If there is any better (or specious) reasoning, please tell me. :-) --- Harshawardhan, at his cynical best ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty Damn all wars, and medals be damned, there's no glory, just families without their fathers, brothers, children... And cursed be the politicians who start them, and never stop them...

Hi Members, Trying to find information for a friend ,about her Father, PERCIVAL GEORGE BRANGANZA, said to be born in 1914 in Nainital India, Attended St Josephs also in Nainital .he had a brother called Frank, & a sister called Winnie Who was a Nun in Kathmandu. thats all the info at hand . Any help would be most welcome. Thank you , Cheers . Ashley.

Hi one and all Trying hard to find information on the above couple George Clifford Kirk and Gertrude Rosamond Crell/Croll. I know they married and had at least 3 children by the name of Daisy Evelyn Kirk birth December, 1905, Kathleen Pansy Kirk birth May 1907, Myrtle I Kirk born January, 1909, all born in Madras, India. I know that Gertrude Rosamond Crell/Croll remarried to William Henry Deacon in May, 1919 in Belgaum, Bombay. India. But what I am having trouble with Is Gertrude Rosamond Crell/Croll, Kirk, Deacon. If anyone has any connection with Gertrude at all or has any information regarding the Crell/Croll, Kirk, or Deacon lineage I would be truly grateful for any help with this family whatsoever. I appreciate anyone's help. Thank you once again. Gaye (Brisbane, QLD Australia) ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail

Begin forwarded message: > From:Ashley. > > This is a Request I am doing for a friend , > > Searching for Percival George Braganza, born 1914. possibly in Nainital India , Schooled at St Josephs in Nainital India, Had Siblings Frank & Winnie, Winnie was a Nun In Kathmandu. Thats all I know . If any one can help it would be a real help. > > Cheers, Ashley. >

I've been to the Brighton Pavilion several times. It's been built 'Indian,' and my heart used to bleed every time, thinking of these poor boys from the mofussil, lying there. But, you know, they were given Indian food and well looked after. Damn all wars, and medals be damned, there's no glory, just families without their fathers, brothers, children... And cursed be the politicians who start them, and never stop them... On 29 July 2014 12:42, Chris Woods via <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Some of you may be interested to know of a new publication which includes > ra chapter and several references to Indian troop casualties who were > brought back to Brighton in Sussex. > The book is primarily a Roll of the Fallen with links to Brighton and as > few Indian casualties died there, they are not named in the book in that > regard, > but there is a reasonable article and some photographs including the > presentation of the VC to Jemadar Mir Dast by the King, and also his > decorating Havidar Gagna Singh (sitting to attention on a wheeled stretcher > in the gardens of the Royal Pavilion) > with his Indian Order of Merit: > > ‘Brighton and the Great War’ by Trevor Harkin > published by War Memorial Parks Publication 2014 > isbn 9780 9572 99818 > > The author can be contact at trevorharkin@btinternet.com > > Chris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The 1938 issue of "Murray's Handbook for India, Burma and Ceylon" mentions just one Church being All Souls' Church, alongside which there is possibly a cemetery. brinds

Thanks Daphne. Kind Regards Kerry . On 29 July 2014 19:51, Daphne <brinds@xtra.co.nz> wrote: > > The 1938 issue of "Murray's Handbook for India, Burma and Ceylon" mentions > just one Church being All Souls' Church, alongside which there is possibly > a > cemetery. > > brinds > > > > > >

Watch in Full Screen. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28344118 ooroo

Dear Colleagues, I recently joined various organisations that can aid in the research of ancestors. The challenge Im having is to know where to start looking for information on my forefathers. If there is anybody who can help guide me through the initial stages I will be most grateful. Nayab

Some of you may be interested to know of a new publication which includes ra chapter and several references to Indian troop casualties who were brought back to Brighton in Sussex. The book is primarily a Roll of the Fallen with links to Brighton and as few Indian casualties died there, they are not named in the book in that regard, but there is a reasonable article and some photographs including the presentation of the VC to Jemadar Mir Dast by the King, and also his decorating Havidar Gagna Singh (sitting to attention on a wheeled stretcher in the gardens of the Royal Pavilion) with his Indian Order of Merit: ‘Brighton and the Great War’ by Trevor Harkin published by War Memorial Parks Publication 2014 isbn 9780 9572 99818 The author can be contact at trevorharkin@btinternet.com Chris

Dear Listers Edith Helen Bradbury buried in Coimbatore 24 December 1940 according to LDS records. I have asked for a copy of the burial entry. Would anyone know the name of the cemetery please at that time? A old Roots web entry shows Christ the King Church Cemetery - is they only one there? And would it contain both Protestant and Catholic burials? Any help appreciated. Kind Regards Kerry