I have emailed the Grand Lodge in London without a response. The information we require is which lodge and the dates and a contact at the himalayan lodge so that we can prove that he was a member.... Is there a way of finding this information on line? David Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Liz [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 09 July 2010 16:18 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Non member needs help Fw: Grand Master, Simla late 1940s Dear Alexander If your ancestor was a Grand Master in India then Grand Lodge in London will have all his details including minutes of meetings that he might have participated in and a lot of other information. The link is http://www.ugle.org.uk/ I have always found them extremely helpful. Best wishes liz Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2010? Please go to www.chater-genealogy.com.

Dear Administrator: Please be kind enough to post this on our distribution list. I am sure there will be someone who can help with this documentary. Many thanks, Lynne Rebeiro Asst.Compiler www.anglo-indians.com P please print this email only if needed. ________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 09:03:05 -0400 Subject: A request - Documentary film about the story of Jazz in india From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Hello ! I am making a documentary film about the Story of Jazz in India . It is a labor of love and my passion for jazz and is an attempt to capture times gone by and the musicians and atmosphere of a lost era. Calcutta in the 50's and 60's was the jazz center of India and is a signifcant visual element of this film. I am trying to locate photos and archival memorablia of that time, particularly photos of the grand night clubs of the city - Scherezade, Princes, Winter Garden, and the musicians and entertainers. THe film trailer is available at the link below. I would very much appreciate being put in contact with any one you think might have a scrapbook of these memories..I would be particularly appreciative of locating any jazz musicians from Calcutta who might still have scrapbooks of their tenure.. nany thanks Susheel Kurien New York, NY +1 212 350 9398 -- Watch the trailer http://www.youtube.com/user/findingcarlton Become a friend http://www.facebook.com/pages/Finding-Carlton/114329996174 Read the blog http://bluerhythm.wordpress.com Susheel J. Kurien -- Watch the trailer http://www.youtube.com/user/findingcarlton Become a friend http://www.facebook.com/pages/Finding-Carlton/114329996174 Read the blog http://bluerhythm.wordpress.com Susheel J. Kurien -- Watch the trailer http://www.youtube.com/user/findingcarlton Become a friend http://www.facebook.com/pages/Finding-Carlton/114329996174 Read the blog http://bluerhythm.wordpress.com Susheel J. Kurien

Dear Listers, According to a news item that appeared in the newspapers today, the Indian Government has approved a new symbol to represent the Rupee in national and international transactions. It is a combination of the Roman letter 'R' and the Devanagari letter 'ra', with two horizontal lines running through, the upper horizontal line also standing for the horizontal line from which all Devanagari letters hang. You can have a look at the symbol at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_rupee#New_Rupee_symbol . The Indian Rupee was so far designated as INR or Rs In due course of time software/hardware developers will design key-strokes or keyboards so that the symbol can be represented in computer-generated documents. India has thus joined a select group of currencies having their distinct symbols like the US dollar, the Euro, the British pound and the Japanese yen. Eventually, all countries with Rupee as the name of the currency, can adopt it by attaching their own prefixes to it. Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, July 15, 2010.

New Book - ''Empire and Globalisation: Networks of People, Goods and Capital in the British World, c.1850-1914'' By Gary B. Magee, Andrew S. Thompson [Cambridge University Press 314 Pages Publication Date 22-03-2010 ISBN-10 / ASIN: 0521898897 ISBN-13 / EAN: 9780521898898] Description: Focusing on the great population movement of British emigrants before 1914, this book provides a new perspective on the relationship between empire and globalisation. It shows how distinct structures of economic opportunity developed around the people who settled across a wider British World through the co-ethnic networks they created. Yet these networks could also limit and distort economic growth. The powerful appeal of ethnic identification often made trade and investment with racial 'outsiders' less appealing, thereby skewing economic activities toward communities perceived to be 'British'. By highlighting the importance of these networks to migration, finance and trade, this book contributes to debates about globalisation in the past and present. It reveals how the networks upon which the era of modern globalisation was built quickly turned in on themselves after 1918, converting racial, ethnic and class tensions into protectionism, nationalism and xenophobia. Avoiding such an outcome is a challenge faced today. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Gordon's ''Sirmoor'' reminded me of this: The Sirmoor Battalion (later to become 2nd King Edward VII's Own Gurkha Rifles) was the first Gurkha regiment to be formed by the British East India Company. Sirmoor Battalion took part in the 3rd Maratha War in between 1817-1818, The British eventually triumphed, and the once mighty Maratha Empire was absorbed into 'British India', leaving Britain in control of virtually all of present-day India. http://dev.ayo-gorkhali.org/index.php/en/timeline/soldiers-of-empire/1817-the-third-maratha-war --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Some lovely old pictures, articles here - *** KOTGARH, a small hamlet in the state of Himachal Pradesh, is around 10 km from Narkanda. Surrounded by the Himalayas, the town is famous for its apples, but a less known fact is that Kotgarh was one of the earliest mission stations of North India, the history of which is gathering dust in the mission archives. A visit to the place rekindled my interest on this neglected topic. *** http://www.kotgarh.in/page/3/ --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Not quite the same era but I remembered seing Sirmoor in one of the transcriptions that I am doing, it may be of interest to some one.... ECKFORD, Maj. Alex Haldane. Late B.S.C.Served throughout siege and operations before Delhi 1857. Adj. Sirmoor (Goorkah) Regt. With Maj-Gen.Penny's column in Rohilcund 1858 as D.A.Q.M.G. of the Divn. In B.S.C. 1854-75. Chief Magist. of Burgh of Largs1878-81. J.P. Co. Ayr. Elmbank, Largs, by Greenock, N.B. Peter. > > Gordon's ''Sirmoor'' reminded me of this: > > The Sirmoor Battalion (later to become 2nd King Edward VII's > Own Gurkha Rifles) was the first Gurkha regiment to be formed > by the British East India Company. Sirmoor Battalion took part > in the 3rd Maratha War in between 1817-1818, The British > eventually triumphed, and the once mighty Maratha Empire was > absorbed into 'British India', leaving Britain in control of virtually > all of present-day India. > > http://dev.ayo-gorkhali.org/index.php/en/timeline/soldiers-of-empire/1817-the-third-maratha-war

Hi all, I have just joined the list and am trying to trace my family back through the Raj period from about mid 1800's to 1950. Both sides of the family were born and raised over 3 generations (Oakley and Fleming) and were based in the mountain resort town of Mussoori near the Himalayan border. Is there some kind of registrar or list of British citizens living in India during this period? Thanks in anticipation, Cheers, Greg Oakley Melbourne, Victoria, Australia > From: Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <[email protected]> > Reply-To: <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 21:15:00 +0530 > To: <[email protected]> > Cc: Kerry King <[email protected]> > Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] One more from Kerry King: Ancestors in Bangalore > > FWD message - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kerry King > [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:58 PM > Subject: Ancestors in Bangalore > > > Just to let you know I received responses to my requests. The > responses look promising but still would like to know the Date > and Month and Place of Alexander Henry Whites, Birth. Sir, > would it be possible to get this information please. Thank you. > > Can I ask you again please to help me finding two more people > and also find as to when Alexander Henry White got Married. > I feel he got married in the the late 1880's or early 1890's to > a lady whose first name I don't know but do know her last name > was "Armstrong". I would like to know the Date and Year > Alexander Henry White got married. > > The other two people I am looking for is: > > Clarence Mannas: Worked with the "Southern Railway" around > the 1940's as a "Crain Driver" in Hubli; and I think he died > around the 1950's or early 60's. > > * I Would like to know When and Where Clarence Mannas > was Born. > * And the Date and Year Clarence Mannas Died. I know he died > in Hubl and I think around the late 1950's or early 1960's. > > I think Clarence Mannas information could be gotten from his > "Employment Records:" which the Southern Railway in Hubli > will be having. I sure would like to get a copy of his record > of employment as all his information would be on his record, > especially finding names of his next of kin. I'm sure that his > date, and place of birth will be on his employment record. > > The second person is Cyril Mannas, he also I think worked for > the Railway but have no idea which railway. Your help with this > will be greatly appreciated. > > * Would like to know When and Where Cyril Mannas was Born > * When and Where Cyril Mannas Died. > > Once again thank you. > > Kerry > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FWD message - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerry King [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:58 PM Subject: Ancestors in Bangalore Just to let you know I received responses to my requests. The responses look promising but still would like to know the Date and Month and Place of Alexander Henry Whites, Birth. Sir, would it be possible to get this information please. Thank you. Can I ask you again please to help me finding two more people and also find as to when Alexander Henry White got Married. I feel he got married in the the late 1880's or early 1890's to a lady whose first name I don't know but do know her last name was "Armstrong". I would like to know the Date and Year Alexander Henry White got married. The other two people I am looking for is: Clarence Mannas: Worked with the "Southern Railway" around the 1940's as a "Crain Driver" in Hubli; and I think he died around the 1950's or early 60's. * I Would like to know When and Where Clarence Mannas was Born. * And the Date and Year Clarence Mannas Died. I know he died in Hubl and I think around the late 1950's or early 1960's. I think Clarence Mannas information could be gotten from his "Employment Records:" which the Southern Railway in Hubli will be having. I sure would like to get a copy of his record of employment as all his information would be on his record, especially finding names of his next of kin. I'm sure that his date, and place of birth will be on his employment record. The second person is Cyril Mannas, he also I think worked for the Railway but have no idea which railway. Your help with this will be greatly appreciated. * Would like to know When and Where Cyril Mannas was Born * When and Where Cyril Mannas Died. Once again thank you. Kerry

On the off-chance that Greg's search finds mention of a Major Harry Barlow, living in Sirmoor and dying in Nahan in July 1909, I would be grateful to hear of it. He was my grandfather's first-cousin; and his death notice in "The Times" described him as "tutor/companion to the son of the Maharaja of Sirmoor". He was buried in Delhi; a family report has it that he died of cholera on the train from Nahan to join his wife in Bombay. Thanks for any help - and good luck, Greg. Gordon Barlow Hi all, I have just joined the list and am trying to trace my family back through the Raj period from about mid 1800's to 1950. Both sides of the family were born and raised over 3 generations (Oakley and Fleming) and were based in the mountain resort town of Mussoori near the Himalayan border. Is there some kind of registrar or list of British citizens living in India during this period? Thanks in anticipation, Cheers, Greg Oakley Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Indian History. http://voiceofsikkim.com/2010/07/10/why-bengal-can-be-and-cannot-be-divided/ A well argued essay. ooroo

http://www.thegovmonitor.com/health/researchers-in-australia-make-important-malaria-breakthrough-34617.html ooroo

Greg is now a member of our List. -- H ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Oakley [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: List of British Citizens who lived in India Hello, Just wondering if you could help me - I'm trying to locate records of my father's family who lived in India during the Raj (around 1900-1947). Is there some kind of database or list which I could search? Many thanks, Regards, Greg Oakley Melbourne Victoria, Australia

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/art-obituaries/7882187/Norman-Hutchinson.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7882774/National-census-to-be-axed-after-200-years.html It's not April the First, is it? Muppets, the lot of them. ooroo

Friday, July 9th, 2010 Book Review: *** Based on secondary sources, and excluding, very correctly, India's well-known public sector historians, Roderick Matthews' survey-type book, The Flaws in the Jewel: Challenging the Myths of British India, offers some interesting methodological departures and observations on the British rule in India. *** (snip) ''The Flaws in the Jewel: Challenging the Myths of British India'' by: Roderick Matthews | Publisher: HarperCollins | Rs 350 http://folks.co.in/2010/07/raj-revisited-partially/ --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

----- Original Message ----- From: "sudhir ferris" <[email protected]> I am trying to contact an old friend who used to be a famous jazz singer from Calcutta (Pam Crain). It would be awesome if I could get in touch with her as we have been out of touch for nearly 30 yrs. I am in Canada now so do not have the local advantage of wonderful resources such as your organization. Any help would be appreciated. ------------------------------- I'm sure our knowledgeable members would be glad to help Sudhir. A simple Google search gives lots of links, some latest, some old. This, from a four-year old story - ''Although she keeps travelling -- her daughter has moved to the UK and her mother lives in Las Vegas - Crain returns to the city of her birth where she feels her roots are.'' Saturday, October 21, 2006 http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061021/asp/calcutta/story_6896463.asp They are fond of Pam Crain in Calcutta - as this story dated 2 January 2010 shows: ''A Passage in Kolkata Kolkata's Park Street is the most iconic road in India. Bridging the gap between Warren Hastings and Buddhadeb, it is a celebration, and, alas, a tragedy.'' http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/a-passage-in-kolkata And this, dated March 25, 2010 : http://www.hindustantimes.com/Flashback-Flury-s-glorious-days/Article1-523033.aspx Any input from our pals in Calcutta? --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Again, please send the replies directly, with a copy to the List. -- H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerry King" [email protected] Please, please could you help me in some way finding these two people from Bangalore. I would like to know their Date and Year of Birth and Deaths. These two may lead me to my grandfather and grandmother. Thank you so very much. I could be wrong with their years. * Alexander Henry White was Born in 1855 (I think) * I don't know when Alexander Henry White died. He was still alive in 1915. * Ethel VIctoria White. I think was born in 1894. (She is the daughter of Alexander Henry White). * I think Ehtel Victoria White died in 1946-1948 I thank you for your kindness and time your taking to do this research. Kerry King

Replies directly to him, please, with a copy to the List. -- H ----- Original Message ----- From: David Bruce [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:34 PM Subject: Grand Master Hello, I am trying to trace some history of when my father, Lt.Col. Alexander Edwin Robert Bruce was a Freemason in Simla in the late '40's to early '50's. We believe he was a Grand Master. Can you give me any information please? Many thanks. Alexander David Michael Bruce

Dear Alexander If your ancestor was a Grand Master in India then Grand Lodge in London will have all his details including minutes of meetings that he might have participated in and a lot of other information. The link is http://www.ugle.org.uk/ I have always found them extremely helpful. Best wishes liz Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2010? Please go to www.chater-genealogy.com.