Dear Pip, You were my guest at that time. Ancient rules of hospitality and all that, you know ...But if you commit the same mistake again, rest assured I won't mince my words. Just name the language of your choice - Hindi, Marathi, Sanskrit, French or English. [Grin ...] On a serious note, my objection was restricted to the editor of that paper. He is liable for every inaccuracy in his paper. An individual writer may be excused, but not a person in the position he occupies. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar (aka Lynx-eye) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pip Waterfield" Glad you weren't quite so scathing when you (and I) discovered that I did the same in my Dada book. At that time you were generous enough to say that some communities do spell it the other (incorrect) way!! Still can't believe I did it tho, and it was missed by all proof-reading.

Chennai, the erstwhile Madras, turns 371 on Sunday, 22 August. http://sify.com/news/happy-birthday-chennai-news-national-kislkhifjjg.html --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Should any of our listers be in London UK in the near future then a visit to the British Library may help with "Words" ... They have put on a "Dictionary Exhibition" of "Evolving English: One Language Many Voices" The Librarian says -We hope the exhibition celebrates diversity across the world. We have constantly absorbed languages which come into contact with us- An end note says that the Oxford Dictionary of English has a new entry "vuvuzela", but maybe you don't watch football....{;}}> Peter PS. Microsoft spell checker does not recognise "vuvuzela".........

G'day Mandeep, On 18/08/2010, at 8:56 PM, Mandeep Singh Bajwa wrote: > Non-volunteers (Indian troops who didn't join the INA) were sent to construction > projects mainly in Papua New Guinea I spent five years of my life on the island of Bougainville. I know that Indian troops were taken there by the Japanese. I also know that they were mistreated. See also... http://www.awm.gov.au/journal/j37/indians.asp There are, to my own knowledge, four memorials erected by the Japanese Veterans who were based on Bougainville in WWII. They have also set up schools and small Medical Posts To its shame the Government of Australia has not erected a single Memorial to the Australian troops who died on Bougainville in WWII. I have even complained to the Minister of Defence - all I got was a letter in reply. No Memorial. ooroo

Dear Listers, While it is true that the Mahatma's last name was 'Gandhi', it is also true that some - especially parsis of that surname - spell it as 'Ghandi' or 'Ghandy. Parsis being from Gujarat share many last names with the surrounding Hindu community. BTW, 'Gandhi' means someone carrying the profession of selling fragrant things such as sandalwood, abir, gulal and the like used in Hindu religious rituals, as also 'itr' Indian-style heavy perfumes, usually associated with the rich style of living. It derives from the original Sanskrit 'Gandha' fragrance. Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, August 18, 2010.

Thank you for your offering Mandeep. It answers two questions (a) why was my uncle Lt. Keith Corbet not with his RIASC troops (b) what were Indian troops doing in Rabaul. Good wishes Sally Stewart >projects mainly in Papua New Guinea in the interregnum between the dissolution of the First INA (Mohan Singh's) and the formation of the Second INA (Netaji's). Earlier they had been protected by the INA troops but the Japanese took advantage of the uncertain situation. These Indian POWs were very badly treated by the Japanese and were liberated by Australian troops. British officers were in any case separated from their Indian troops from the beginning. Mandeep Bajwa <

Hello dear Vanya, I have never had much of a faith in a providence but now I think there must be something in the stars that bring coincidences at such a neat sequence. This morning after I had posted my mail to you, I came to the office and was reading a local newspaper in Malayalam... What I found in an inner page was this small news item: Kumaran Asan's bangle, presented to him by the Prince of Wales, restored to the Asan Museum! What happened was that after the 100-gram bangle was stolen from the museum in 1989, the police had been looking for it all this time and and some time back they had actually recovered it from some jewelry shop. The bangle had been seriously damaged and they had restored it to it past glory with the help of some goldsmiths in Alapuzhua. It was returned to the museum, yesterday, at a ceremony in which the cultural minister was present. So when somebody asks you where they can see a P.Orr& Co finery, tell them one is there at Thonnakkal Asan Museum. Only, they will keep a replica for show, keeping the original in a bank locker. Chekkutty.

We can still buy common salt in Oz...it sits beside iodised salt in the supermarkets. However, methinks that iodised salt is the better option by far. I guess Gandhi saw it as just another case of Imperialist Britain dictating to Indians? Cheers, Lynne. :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:32 PM Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] NOT Ghandi, for God's sake, it's GANDHI ... > Presenting the following as it is, without any comments of > my own, for what it is worth. YOU decide how to react. (But > no comments on contemporary politics, please). > > [Just one thing; I don't think very highly of those who cannot > even spell a proper noun - a FAMOUS name at that - properly! > Ghandi, indeed! The editor who made this mistake should be > thoroughly ashamed of himself/herself. How can anyone make > such a silly mistake in this age and era?] > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > Why did Ghandi hate iodine? > Sam Kean, National Post (Canada) > > Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010 > > http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Kean+Ghandi+hate+iodine/3406833/story.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chekutty I can't help at all I'm afraid... P.Orr & sons was sold before the 1920s, I believe, as Edward Orr who was in charge, died in 1913. What a shame those beautiful things were lost... Chekutty you have such wonderful stories.. are you going to write them into a book one day... will you tell me if you do?! warm greetings, Vanya On 18 August 2010 11:36, Chekkutty N.P <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Vanya, > > Happy to see this note on the Orrs. Could you give me any information on > the > following topic, indirectly connected to the Orrs, perhaps? > > Kumaran Asan was a Malayalam poet (1873-1924) who was honored by the Madras > University in 1922 with a golden bangle and a silk shawl (I don't know what > it is ceremonially called in English, but in Malayalam they are described > as > * pattum valayum*) and the honor was presented by a British royal who > visited the country at that time.(Was it Prince of Wales? I need to check.) > > This presentation of the honor to Kumaran Asan was a big event in Kerala > history because he was from the subaltern Ezhava community, one of the very > few great poets to rise from the lower castes in India in early 20th > century. Most people were not even allowed admission to schools because of > caste prejudices and Kumaran was sent to Calcutta by Sri Narayana Guru, the > Ezhava social reformer, for higher studies. Kumaran madly fell in love with > an Anglo-Indian girl there, and after her parents married her off to > somebody else, the dejected poet returned home and wrote the great > philosophical work, *Veenapoovu*, the Fallen Flower! > > The Madras University's decision to honor him then was a major event > because > of his non-elite social background and the acute caste prejudices that > prevailed in our society then. The golden bangle with intricate designs and > all that finery was manufactured by the Orr company in Madras, according to > family sources here. > > Now the tragedy is that after the death of the poet, in a boat capsize in > 1924, these items were in the possession of his family who donated it to > the > Government of Kerala who had in the 1980s set up a memorial for hm at his > home village of Thonnakkal. It is a beautiful place, but unfortunately not > very safe, and the precious items were stolen from there. > > It has remained untraced ever since, and the authorities have made a copy, > but no one knows whether this is according to the original design. I was > wondering whether Orr & Company may have left any records of their 1920s > sales and designs especially since this was major project involving a royal > visit? Do you think I may be able to locate any of these details from > somebody in the family? > > N P Chekkutty/Malabar, Kerala. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Vanya Orr, Project Director Earth Trust Ketty Post Nilgiris, Tamilnadu, India mob.: +919787749943 office: +914232517036 www.earthtrustnilgiris.org

My great, grandfather, William Hammett Howard occording to family lore was an engineer in the Indian Army sometime between about 1873-1884. William was born in Hobart, Tasmania in 1856, and married in Sydney Australia in 1885 where he was a coach builder. How may I find a record of him in the Indian Army if the family lore is correct? Kent Elliot

I said SPELL (in writing). Orally reproducing it is a different proposition, I agree. I have no problem if somebody mispronounces a name. Sometimes it's really difficult - my own given name is very hard for some people. But what about a written word? Moreover, when in the body of that article the word is correctly spelt Gandhi throughout, wasn't it the editor's duty to see it was also accurately spelt in the heading? -- Harshawardhan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanya Orr" This is very difficult Harsh.. I have lived in India for 16 years & still get confused with where the "H"s go.. its a non sound so has no hooks for foreigners to pick up on.. I am sure there are English words which you have to think about twice... as there are for me.. a little intemperate of you? > [Just one thing; I don't think very highly of those who cannot > even spell a proper noun - a FAMOUS name at that - properly! > Ghandi, indeed! The editor who made this mistake should be > thoroughly ashamed of himself/herself. How can anyone make > such a silly mistake in this age and era?]

This is very difficult Harsh.. I have lived in India for 16 years & still get confused with where the "H"s go.. its a non sound so has no hooks for foreigners to pick up on.. I am sure there are English words which you have to think about twice... as there are for me.. a little intemperate of you? Maybe he was allergic to it.. as I am after having it sploshed on bruises when I was tiny. Vaguely interesting article.. a rather self consciously intellectual intro though.. On 18 August 2010 12:02, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <[email protected]>wrote: > Presenting the following as it is, without any comments of > my own, for what it is worth. YOU decide how to react. (But > no comments on contemporary politics, please). > > [Just one thing; I don't think very highly of those who cannot > even spell a proper noun - a FAMOUS name at that - properly! > Ghandi, indeed! The editor who made this mistake should be > thoroughly ashamed of himself/herself. How can anyone make > such a silly mistake in this age and era?] > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > Why did Ghandi hate iodine? > Sam Kean, National Post (Canada) > > Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010 > > http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Kean+Ghandi+hate+iodine/3406833/story.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Vanya Orr, Project Director Earth Trust Ketty Post Nilgiris, Tamilnadu, India mob.: +919787749943 office: +914232517036 www.earthtrustnilgiris.org

Presenting the following as it is, without any comments of my own, for what it is worth. YOU decide how to react. (But no comments on contemporary politics, please). [Just one thing; I don't think very highly of those who cannot even spell a proper noun - a FAMOUS name at that - properly! Ghandi, indeed! The editor who made this mistake should be thoroughly ashamed of himself/herself. How can anyone make such a silly mistake in this age and era?] --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Why did Ghandi hate iodine? Sam Kean, National Post (Canada) Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2010 http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Kean+Ghandi+hate+iodine/3406833/story.html

Hello Vanya, Happy to see this note on the Orrs. Could you give me any information on the following topic, indirectly connected to the Orrs, perhaps? Kumaran Asan was a Malayalam poet (1873-1924) who was honored by the Madras University in 1922 with a golden bangle and a silk shawl (I don't know what it is ceremonially called in English, but in Malayalam they are described as * pattum valayum*) and the honor was presented by a British royal who visited the country at that time.(Was it Prince of Wales? I need to check.) This presentation of the honor to Kumaran Asan was a big event in Kerala history because he was from the subaltern Ezhava community, one of the very few great poets to rise from the lower castes in India in early 20th century. Most people were not even allowed admission to schools because of caste prejudices and Kumaran was sent to Calcutta by Sri Narayana Guru, the Ezhava social reformer, for higher studies. Kumaran madly fell in love with an Anglo-Indian girl there, and after her parents married her off to somebody else, the dejected poet returned home and wrote the great philosophical work, *Veenapoovu*, the Fallen Flower! The Madras University's decision to honor him then was a major event because of his non-elite social background and the acute caste prejudices that prevailed in our society then. The golden bangle with intricate designs and all that finery was manufactured by the Orr company in Madras, according to family sources here. Now the tragedy is that after the death of the poet, in a boat capsize in 1924, these items were in the possession of his family who donated it to the Government of Kerala who had in the 1980s set up a memorial for hm at his home village of Thonnakkal. It is a beautiful place, but unfortunately not very safe, and the precious items were stolen from there. It has remained untraced ever since, and the authorities have made a copy, but no one knows whether this is according to the original design. I was wondering whether Orr & Company may have left any records of their 1920s sales and designs especially since this was major project involving a royal visit? Do you think I may be able to locate any of these details from somebody in the family? N P Chekkutty/Malabar, Kerala.

Oh dear! I too have been guilty of these "mis-spellings", for in an article I referred to Jawaharlal Nehru as PUNDIT and not PANDIT. I was duly slapped across the face and offered my apologies, never having intended it as an insult and especially since in several old writings, the man is referred to as PUNDIT Nehru. Language is a conundrum indeed. I am called & written to as Barbara by one who cannot pronounce or perhaps remember my name - Saundra, Sandarah, Saandra, Sandra - etc. All smiles here folks :`))) Sandra P.S. But no you are right - for an editor should have been consistent! -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 3:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] NOT Ghandi, for God's sake, it's GANDHI ... I said SPELL (in writing). Orally reproducing it is a different proposition, I agree. I have no problem if somebody mispronounces a name. Sometimes it's really difficult - my own given name is very hard for some people. But what about a written word? Moreover, when in the body of that article the word is correctly spelt Gandhi throughout, wasn't it the editor's duty to see it was also accurately spelt in the heading? -- Harshawardhan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vanya Orr" This is very difficult Harsh.. I have lived in India for 16 years & still get confused with where the "H"s go.. its a non sound so has no hooks for foreigners to pick up on.. I am sure there are English words which you have to think about twice... as there are for me.. a little intemperate of you? > [Just one thing; I don't think very highly of those who cannot even > spell a proper noun - a FAMOUS name at that - properly! > Ghandi, indeed! The editor who made this mistake should be thoroughly > ashamed of himself/herself. How can anyone make such a silly mistake > in this age and era?] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Non-volunteers (Indian troops who didn't join the INA) were sent to construction projects mainly in Papua New Guinea in the interregnum between the dissolution of the First INA (Mohan Singh's) and the formation of the Second INA (Netaji's). Earlier they had been protected by the INA troops but the Japanese took advantage of the uncertain situation. These Indian POWs were very badly treated by the Japanese and were liberated by Australian troops. British officers were in any case separated from their Indian troops from the beginning. Mandeep Bajwa Sent from my BlackBerry® on Reliance Mobile, India's No. 1 Network. Go for it! -----Original Message----- From: "karoo" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 20:57:18 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] The Burma Siam Railway Hello I have just been watching on Cable TV, the 'true' story of the railway and bridge on the Kwai. Numbers of Personnel who perished British, American, Australian and Dutch were given but no mention was made of Indian troops of whom my uncle Lt. Keith Corbet was an officer. I have a vague memory of Keith telling of the atrocities committed on Indian troops many sent to Rabaul (?) where the inhuman treatment continued. Can anyone comment - please ? Good wishes Sally Stewart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Once upon a time many many years ago I failed to get 100% in a geography examination and was castigated by Mr.Davies as he said that of all people in the class I really should know how to spell "Delhi/Dehli". The next term I was "promoted" to acting unpaid assistant geography teacher and sent off to the libraries to obtain pictures and books for his classes! Mind you there was a war on at the time.................. Peter. -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Presenting the following as it is, without any comments of > my own, for what it is worth. YOU decide how to react. (But > no comments on contemporary politics, please). > > [Just one thing; I don't think very highly of those who cannot > even spell a proper noun - a FAMOUS name at that - properly! > Ghandi, indeed! The editor who made this mistake should be > thoroughly ashamed of himself/herself. How can anyone make > such a silly mistake in this age and era?] > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > Why did Ghandi hate iodine? > Sam Kean, National Post (Canada)

Glad you weren't quite so scathing when you (and I) discovered that I did the same in my Dada book. At that time you were generous enough to say that some communities do spell it the other (incorrect) way!! Still can't believe I did it tho, and it was missed by all proof-reading. I agree with Vanya about the article. But thanks for the posting anyway. Pxx

Hi everyone I'm a first time user of this list. Would anyone know if there is any way of contacting any volunteers or officials of this church? I'm trying to obtain information re: the BMD registers that I'm hoping will be held in the church. Regards Jonathan

Hi Stefan, For more early oil company info you might like to try the B.P. archives which are at Warwick university: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/library/mrc/holdings/ They are usually more than happy to help with research projects, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tetzlaff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:56 AM Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] motor transport/road infrastructure in ruralareas, 1920-1960 > Hello all, > > I had earlier send an information request regarding oil comanies' > operations > in South Asia between the 1900s to 1960s, to which some of you thankfully > responded. I am now more and more shifting my interest towards the early > history of motor transport and improved road infrastructure in rural areas > of northern India/southern and eastern Pakistan between the mid-1920s to > early 1960s. This includes different sorts of motor transport such as bus > services and goods transport by lorries. You may want to look at some of > my > earlier discussions for further explanation and visual evidence > > http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/pre-1950/85030-early-20th-century-road-infrastructure-bus-transport-services-automobile-traffic.html > http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/commercial-vehicles-india/85989-early-use-lorries-tractors-etc.html > > Does anybody on this list have an interest in these issues? Can anybody > provide historical information on developments in the time under review? I > would be very grateful for information on this subject from eye witnesses > of > the time or their descendants, be they local transport users and > operators, > corporate or governmental organisations or from any other field. Please do > get in touch! > > Best wishes, > Stefan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3078 - Release Date: 08/17/10 19:35:00