Dear Listers, The East India Company has thus joined the Hudson's Bay Company. The latter company, incorporated in 1670, opened up Canada and had a very lucrative monopoly of fur trade. At present, as HBC, it has become a large departmental store. Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, October 16, 2010.

Dear Listers I have recently found this website that lists anyone born in India or Burma who appears on the UK census returns for 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871. A remarkable achievement to list them all. If the owner is on the India List, then I would very much like to offer my congratulations for extracting such useful information. http://spuddybike.org.uk/familyhistory/census/index.html best wishes Liz Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2010? Please go to <http://www.chater-genealogy.com/> www.chater-genealogy.com.

An India Connection... To read this Life of the Day complete with a picture of the subject, visit http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2010-10-12 Wilson, James (1805-1860), economist and politician, was born on 3 June 1805 at Hawick, Roxburghshire, the fourth son of the fifteen children of William Wilson (1764-1832), woollen manufacturer, and his wife, Elizabeth Richardson (d. 1815). From 1816 to 1820 he attended a Quaker school at Ackworth, Yorkshire, where he proved academically but not athletically successful and displayed an unusual passion for figures. An early desire to be a schoolteacher evaporated in 1821 at Earl's Colne seminary in Essex. Unable, because of his father's Quaker principles, to become a barrister, he was apprenticed at sixteen to a Hawick hat manufacturer, whose business Wilson's father soon purchased for James and his brother William. Early life: free trade campaigner In 1824 the Wilson brothers moved to London, where with further paternal help they set up the hat-manufacturing firm of Wilson, Erwin, and Wilson, which was amicably dissolved in 1831 and replaced by James Wilson & Co. Thorough, industrious, trustworthy, and likeable, by 1837 Wilson was worth almost £25,000. A natural optimist, he then speculated heavily in indigo and lost almost all his money, but he held his nerve, and through energy and determination avoided bankruptcy and ultimately paid all his debts in full. He was to ascribe his later success as an economist and public servant to the practical business experience at home and abroad that underpinned his voracious reading on economics, politics, and statistics. His key intellectual influences were classical economists such as the theorists James Mill, David Ricardo, and Adam Smith and the practical analysts Thomas Tooke and George Porter, founder of the statistical department of the Board of Trade, who became a close fr! iend. Although shy, Wilson moved easily in the society of those who shared his passionate interest in public affairs. As his son-in-law Walter Bagehot observed, Wilson was 'a very animated man, talking by preference and by habit on inanimate subjects. All the verve, vigour, and life which lively people put into exciting pursuits, he put into topics which are usually thought very dry' (Bagehot, 326). A passionate free-trader, Wilson became deeply involved in the struggle to have the protectionist corn laws abolished. At the core of his argument was his fundamental belief in laissez-faire, the belief that the public good is best served by leaving individuals to look after themselves, since government interference in economic affairs tends to upset the natural checks and balances of wealth-creation. In 1839 Wilson published Influences of the Corn Laws, a pamphlet that argued powerfully against the view that agricultural interests would suffer if protection were abandoned. Among its admiring readers were three influential whig politicians who became good friends: William Pleydell Bouverie, third earl of Radnor, Charles Pelham Villiers, and his brother George William Frederick Villiers, fourth earl of Clarendon. In 1840 Villiers and Radnor proposed Wilson for membership of the recently founded Reform Club, thus bringing him into a wider political and social circle. In the same year he published Fluctuations of Currency, Commerce, and Manufactures, which developed his theory that one iniquitous effect of the corn laws was to produce sharp price fluctuations. This was followed in 1841 by The Revenue, or, What Shall the Chancellor do?, which argued for increases in direct taxation and the reduction of import duties. These combative pamphlets, along with numerous newspaper articles, were immensely effective in making the anti-protectionist case, and brought Wilson widespread public recognition. As Bagehot remarked later, Wilson was a great 'belief producer', and he was recognized as a formidable campaigner. However, although he was supportive of the Anti-Corn Law League, Wilson was looking ahead to future campaigns. By 1843 he was talking of founding a paper of his own 'to maintain the principles of free trade in their widest sense, apart from and independent of the great popular movement'. It should not be a league organ, for it 'must be perfectly philosophical, steady and moderate;-nothing but pure principles' (Edwards, 17). Such a financial investment was a tremendous gamble for a family man. On 5 January 1832, having converted to the Church of England, Wilson had married Elizabeth Preston (d. 1886) of Newcastle upon Tyne. They had first lived in a house he had built at Southwark, London, near his factory, but in 1836 they had moved to Dulwich Place, a substantial house in extensive grounds. In 1839 Wilson had also taken on a town house in Queen Street, Mayfair, from which they moved the following year to 15 Hertford Street, Mayfair. By 1841 had been born their six daughters, who throughout their lives were closely connected to The Economist: after their father's death, with their mother, they became its joint proprietors. Eliza was to marry Walter Bagehot and Julia, William Rathbone Greg, respectively a de jure and de facto editor of The Economist. Matilda was to marry Matthew Horan; Zenobia, Orby Shipley; Sophie, William Halsey; and Emilie [see Barrington, Emilie Isabel], who was to become a! biographer of her father and of Bagehot, was to marry Russell Barrington. The Economist To cut down on living expenses Wilson let Dulwich Place and his family decamped to Boulogne for several months: having raised £800 and borrowed £500 from Radnor, in 1843 he was able to launch The Economist: The Political, Commercial, Agricultural and Free-Trade Journal. Its stated purpose was to stimulate 'every man who has a stake in the country ... to investigate and learn for himself' about public affairs. Its method was to put all arguments and doctrines to the test of facts. After a rocky year during which it was saved only through help from friends, including Richard Cobden and Charles Villiers, the Anti-Corn Law League and other enthusiastic free-traders, the paper became a financial success and still prospered at the close of the twentieth century. In the early years Wilson wrote most of the paper: his practical mind and simple, vigorous prose appealed strongly to the businessmen who formed his core readership. Although he could soon afford to enter politics, he continued to write extensively for The Economist and until 1857 remained its nominal editor. He was succeeded by Richard Holt Hutton, who, like Bagehot, W. R. Greg, the anarchist Thomas Hodgskin, and the philosopher Herbert Spencer, was one of Wilson's brilliant proteges. As a journalist, three of his most striking contributions to economic and political debate concerned the banking and currency controversy (a leading member of the banking school, Wilson opposed bank regulation on the grounds that it was 'a miserable substitution for ... individual caution'), the railway mania of 1845 (he believed his stark warnings had 'saved several men their fortunes'), and the commercial crisis that followed two years later; in 1847 he published Capital, Currency and Bankin! g, a collection of his Economist articles. It was the Irish famine, though, which was Wilson's major emotional and intellectual preoccupation during the late 1840s, partly because of the tension between his laissez-faire principles and that deep humanitarianism which made him, for instance, hate capital and cruel punishment. He wrote passionately of the plight of the Irish, which he blamed on the corn laws (not repealed until 1846), the absence of civil and religious liberty, and the nature of the landlord-tenant relationship. However, although exceptionally well informed and comprehensive, there were deficiencies in Wilson's nostrums which reflected his delusion that every ordinary man, unregulated, would behave like a prudent Scotsman. Parliament In 1846 the Wilson family moved to Fontainville, a Wiltshire country house, and in July 1847 he became Liberal MP for nearby Westbury, believing that parliament needed 'clever, diligent, thoughtful legislators' dedicated to raising and improving through the extension of free trade 'the condition of the lower classes throughout the empire-including unfortunate Ireland' (Edwards, 82-3). In 1852 he was narrowly re-elected for Westbury and in 1857 comfortably won Devonport. Wilson was an impressive member of the Commons select committee on commercial distress and in May 1848 was appointed a secretary at the India Board of Control, where he ran the finance and revenue departments, developed a state guarantee to encourage British investment in India, and spearheaded the development of the Indian railway system. From January 1852 until the government fell in February 1858 he was financial secretary to the Treasury, a position well suited to his sound judgement, clarity of thought and exposition, extraordinary grasp of detail, common sense, and increasing pragmatism. In 1855 he was offered but refused the vice-presidency of the Board of Trade; convention would have required him to stand for election and he feared the loss of his seat. In 1856 he accepted Lord Palmerston's offer of the governorship of the Australian colony of Victoria, but the queen, who thought Wilson's 'position and standing' too low for the job, rejected him (Edwards, 208). Woun! ded, he resigned from government, but Palmerston persuaded him to stay and later that year offered him the chairmanship of the Board of Inland Revenue, which he refused because he still had political ambitions. Chancellor of India In June 1859, rather than return to his old job, Wilson took the vice-presidency of the Board of Trade in the hope of succeeding to the presidency. A month later, now a privy councillor, he was asked to become financial member of the council of India-in effect India's chancellor of the exchequer. Although it meant giving up a safe seat, his still close involvement in his paper, a lively and enjoyable social life in London (from 1858 at 12 Upper Belgrave Street) and at Claverton Manor, near Bath (from 1855), his sense of public duty and the challenge of sorting out the desperate financial crisis that had followed the Indian mutiny of 1857 led him to accept the post. With his wife and three daughters Wilson left Britain on 19 October 1859, embarking on arrival on a tour of the upper provinces with Earl Canning, the viceroy. 'He delighted in India', wrote his subordinate Richard Temple, and regarded her resources with hopeful interest, her people with sympathy, her scenery with admiration, her antiquities with curiosity ... He probably learnt more of the Country in a very short time, than any person who ever landed on its shores. (Barrington, Servant of All, 2.229-31) Prince Albert was among the many who welcomed Wilson's budget of February 1860, judging that he had 'treated most important but most difficult questions in a masterly manner which would not have been possible but for your strong belief in the unalterable truths of the laws of political economy taught by abstract science' (ibid., 237). Sir Charles Trevelyan, governor of Madras, however, publicly opposed his plans for retrenchment and new taxes and initiated a great controversy in India and Britain. Although at Canning's insistence, Trevelyan was recalled by Sir Charles Wood, secretary of state for India, Wood was convinced by Trevelyan that Wilson had acted too hastily. By July 1860 Wilson was well advanced with four of his major objectives: the extension of taxation to the trading community; the establishment of a paper currency; the reorganization of the financial system, including annual budgets, estimates and audits; and the introduction of a cheaper and more efficient police system and consequent reduction of the native army. He was planning also to initiate a programme of public works and road building to promote increased production of cotton, flax, wool, and European raw materials. Revelling in the exercise of real power, he refused to leave the hazardous climate of Calcutta and died there on 11 August 1860 of dysentery, exacerbated by overwork. He was buried the next day at the town's Circular Road cemetery. Almost his last words were 'Take care of my income tax'. His funeral was said to be the largest ever held in Calcutta, where a statue was raised to him. Although some of his financial reforms did not long survive him, as late as 1927 Wilson was assessed by an expert on Indian finance at the University of Bombay as 'the first and pre-eminent founder of present-day public finance in India' (Edwards, 221-2). As Bagehot put it in The Economist (Wilson's other lasting achievement): he was placed in many changing circumstances, and in the gradual ascent of life was tried by many increasing difficulties. But at every step his mind grew with the occasion. We at least believe that he had a great sagacity and a great equanimity, which might have been fitly exercised on the very greatest affairs. But it was not so to be. (Bagehot, 363) Ruth Dudley Edwards Sources R. D. Edwards, The pursuit of reason: The Economist, 1843-1993 (1993) + E. I. Barrington, The servant of all: pages from the family social and political life of my father James Wilson; twenty years of mid-Victorian life, 2 vols. (1927) + W. Bagehot, 'Memoir of the Right Honourable James Wilson', in The collected works of Walter Bagehot, ed. N. St John-Stevas, 3 (1968), 323-64 + Mrs R. Barrington [E. I. Barrington], Life of Walter Bagehot (1914) + M. Westwater, The Wilson sisters: a biographical study of upper middle-class Victorian life (1984) + DNB + The Economist (1843-60) + The Economist (24 Sept 1927) + S. Gordon, 'The London Economist and the high tide of laissez-faire', Journal of Political Economy (Dec 1955), 461-88 + J. A. Monsure, 'James Wilson and The Economist: 1805-1860', PhD diss., Columbia University, 1960 Archives NL Scot., corresp. | BL, corresp. with Lord Aberdeen, Add. MSS 43251, 43254 + BL, corresp. with W. E. Gladstone, Add. MS 44346 + BL OIOC, corresp. with Lord Halifax, MS Eur. F 78 + Bodl. Oxf., corresp. with Lord Clarendon + Herts. ALS, letters to Lord Lytton + Man. CL, George Wilson MSS + U. Durham L., corresp. with third Earl Grey + W. Sussex RO, Cobden MSS Likenesses S. Bellin, group portrait, mixed engraving, pubd 1850 (after J. R. Herbert, Meeting of the council of the Anti Corn Law League), BM, NPG · J. Watson-Gordon, oils, 1858, NPG [see illus.] · J. Steell, marble bust, 1859, Scot. NPG; related plaster cast, Hawick Museum · J. Steell, marble statue, 1865, Dalhousie Institute, Calcutta · Dalziel, woodcut, BM · R. Doyle, caricature, pen-and-ink sketch, BM · D. J. Pound, stipple and line engraving (after photograph by Davy of Plymouth), BM, NPG; repro. in D. J. Pound, Drawing room portrait gallery of eminent personages · J. Steell, statue, Economist Tower, St James's Street, London · J. Watson-Gordon, oils, second version, Hawick Town Hall, Roxburghshire Wealth at death under £35,000: probate, 5 Nov 1860, CGPLA Eng. & Wales

G'day folks, Normally I am against any Listers posting Anti-Virus msg to this List. I really don't want to post the following msg either. Why? Because we cannot be responsible for what people do on their computers. No matter how many times Anti-Nigerian Scams are mentioned on all of our Television News programs the people of Queensland keep sending them money. The place that the scammers hit time and time again is the State of Queensland. And, every time they get a foolish person sending them money. So, read on and I hope that it is the last time that I see mention of these sorts of activities on this List. Worried? Then write to the people in your Address Book. Thats all that you can be expected to do. I won't be writing. Begin forwarded message: From: Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <[email protected]> Date: 10 October 2010 7:28:47 PM AEST To: John Feltham <[email protected]> Subject: your opinion, please John, one of our members, xxxxx, UK, has sent the following for our joint opinion. she wonders if this can go to the List (THROUGH one of us). Nothing to do with the List - but she fears, some others might also be approached like her on phone by these India-based scamsters. -- harsh ----- Original Message ----- From: "xxxx " <[email protected]> To: "Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 12:40 PM Subject: Re: new telephone scam! No, I didn't mean anything about this scam was because of the list! It was because I thought folk should be alerted to this possibility. These horrible people use the usual ways to get your details, Name, full address including postcode, etc. then call sounding really official. Have you managed to read the Guardian article? That explains how people in the UK are being contacted, as well as in the US and Australia. This is what my computer expert sent me: "A huge, ginormous scam!! They have rung me a couple of times & I have told them to get more honest work. Some of my elderly clients have rung up very concerned about this. It's because some folk might believe the caller, and end up paying lots of lolly to them, that I passed it on. DO read the article, and ask John to as well please. Dick Eastman told me it had been going on in the US for several years with lots of recent activity, but I hadn't heard anything about it. I quote from the Guardian: "We've had a report from your internet service provider of serious virus problems from your computer." Dire forecasts are made that if the problem is not solved, the computer will become unusable. The puzzled owner is then directed to their computer, and asked to open a program called "Windows Event Viewer". Its contents are, to the average user, worrying: they look like a long list of errors, some labelled "critical". "Yes, that's it," says the caller. "Now let me guide you through the steps to fixing it." An investigation by the Guardian has established that this scam, which has been going on quietly since 2008 but has abruptly grown in scale this year, is being run from call centres based in Kolkata, by teams believed to have access to sales databases from computer and software companies. I wouldn't post anything myself as I know it's against the rules - indeed I hate it when people fire off 'warnings' to all and sundry, but having had a call myself I know this one is real.... Best as ever, xxx. > I didn't fall for it and consulted my expert who has pointed me to a > Guardian article exposing this scam which I suggest everyone reads: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/18/phone-scam-india-call-centres ooroo

Sunday, October 10, 2010 A woman's odyssey - Reviewed by Sumit Ahlawat The Westward Traveller By Durgabati Ghose. Trans. Somdatta Mandal. Orient BlackSwan. Pages 104. Rs 195. THERE is hardly any historical travelogue written by an Indian about some foreign land. However, the late 19th century and the early 20th century witnessed an explosion of travel literature from eastern India, particularly Bengal. The spread of English education provided the narrative for such travelogues. The Bengali bhadrlok [elite] learnt to see Europe through English education that in many ways emancipated them from their traditional frameworks. Durgabati Ghose's The Westward Traveller belongs to the genre of such literature. Besides, the book is a key to enter the mental universe of a young middle-class Bengali housewife of the 1930s. The sheer fact that the book was written in 1932, moreover by an Indian woman travelling first time outside India, trying to make sense of the modern Western world that till now she has known only as the dominant colonial power, makes it an important social document that would be of interest not only to historians and feminist writers but also to all those who share a passion and romance for bygone days and times. [snip] http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20101010/spectrum/book4.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Interesting story. Wednesday , October 6 , 2010 http://www.telegraphindia.com/1101006/jsp/nation/story_13024471.jsp --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

G'day Peter, > Peter Rogers, Suffolk UK. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWM5JxjUOx0&feature=player_embedded I didn't see a char wallah anywhere? Maybe he fell off somewhere? ooroo

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/culture-obituaries/film-obituaries/8042823/Sir-Norman-Wisdom.html An Raj Connection. ooroo

Made me smile too ! Thanks Peter. Wishes Sally Stewart A bit off topic but it made me smile Peter Rogers, Suffolk UK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWM5JxjUOx0&feature=player_embedded

Peter, .. Have no idea what you email refers to, but...... if you were at Mt Abu it would be good to make contact. Dick ________________________________ From: Peter Rogers <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 5 October, 2010 10:39:13 Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Indian Railways Advert Just received this from a friend.....not quite genealogy or history but what a way to travel free!!!! A bit off topic but it made me smile Peter Rogers, Suffolk UK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWM5JxjUOx0&feature=player_embedded ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just received this from a friend.....not quite genealogy or history but what a way to travel free!!!! A bit off topic but it made me smile Peter Rogers, Suffolk UK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWM5JxjUOx0&feature=player_embedded

Very interesting Harsha thanks My gggrandfather Henry Sewell and his brother in law Richard Chase were partners with Parry.They were former Mayors of Madras. Henry's wife Rebecca in her will left her silver teapot for Parry. She died in August in 1824. Parry a few months later. Maureen B > Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <[email protected]> wrote: > > How about this? > > The house that Parry built > Dec 11, 2002 > > Call it by any name - `Paris', `Parees' or `Parry's'. It is > perhaps the best known junction in Madras since at least > 1895 when trams first began plying in the city... Parry's > Corner is one foreign name Madras is unlikely to ever change. > http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2002/12/11/stories/2002121100070300.htm > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chekkutty N.P" < > > [email protected] has been a name quite familiar to us even in seventies when we > were > children. And there were many other groups, set up by people who came > from > various parts of Europe: > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear John, Thanks for the note. I am based in Malabar and will try to get information on the Harvey brothers from my friends in Madurai, as soon as possible. Chekkutty.

G'day N.P. On 02/10/2010, at 11:56 PM, Chekkutty N.P wrote: << [email protected] has been a name quite familiar to us even in seventies when we were children. And there were many other groups, set up by people who came from various parts of Europe: >> With your knowledge of the South can you give us an insight into Harvey Bros, who were based in Madurai. They were a commercial force for many years, in the South. ooroo

Oct 3, 2010 http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/book-mark/Why-Churchill-had-an-aversion-to-India/articleshow/6674438.cms --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

How about this? The house that Parry built Dec 11, 2002 Call it by any name - `Paris', `Parees' or `Parry's'. It is perhaps the best known junction in Madras since at least 1895 when trams first began plying in the city... Parry's Corner is one foreign name Madras is unlikely to ever change. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mp/2002/12/11/stories/2002121100070300.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chekkutty N.P" < [email protected] has been a name quite familiar to us even in seventies when we were children. And there were many other groups, set up by people who came from various parts of Europe:

& only 'white' people were 'racist' of Churchill's generation? hmmm. Amused by the remarks on Churchill's reaction to Indian politicos/civil servants... corrupt babus, etc. Nearly a century later, Indians regularly refer to their politicians/civil servants as, yes, corrupt babus. His remarks on Partition/civil war/to hell with it, shared by many human beings of the day, tired of endless debate, demands, periods of stalemate. Honest, on Materialism & Opportunism, too ... as Indians & Pakistanis & Bangladeshis lament, in 2010. Reviewer fails to see that MOST Brits of Churchill's day and class rarely saw their parents. Indeed, when leaving Harrow, Churchill chose to invite his nanny -- & wrote years later, that he suspected that many of his classmates wished they'd invited Theirs. His Mother tried to support his early efforts as a writer -- given how she'd been told that he was dull average, & would never amount to anything... just as it had been recommended she see about the Army for her dim son; that he could vanish into the colonies. his exp of imprisonment during the Boer War? interesting that he vowed to see that every UK prison had a library, should he ever have influence, Aware of boredom & its results. Today? UK prisons with libraries, for half a century, not to mention the Open University. 'far more complex person that this Effort can convey... Megan S. Mills PHD 198 St Helen's Toronto CDA M6H 4A1 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 13:41:39 +0530 > Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Why Churchill had an aversion to India > > Oct 3, 2010 > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/book-mark/Why-Churchill-had-an-aversion-to-India/articleshow/6674438.cms > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a fascinating article. [email protected] has been a name quite familiar to us even in seventies when we were children. And there were many other groups, set up by people who came from various parts of Europe: We in Malabar had coir and cashew factories set up by Peirce Leslie, plantations owned by Harrison Crossfield... I remember an old traders' shop in Calicut city named Hutton and Co. Then there was the Hutton's orchestra which continued to exist till the late seventies. The Hermons who had their homoeo practice in the heart of the city. How interesting it would be to know who were all these people who built up establishments in these parts and then left without much of trace? Chekkutty/Malabar.

Oct 2, 2010 Were the Welsh really empire builders? Professor Huw Bowen of Swansea University looks at the British Empire and examines ways in which Wales was involved in, and affected by, the conquest of India. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/10/02/were-the-welsh-really-empire-builders-91466-27381671/ --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

David, The cemetery still exists, but its in ruins. I suggest you contact Charles Percival in Perth,on 618-93426620. I am sure he will be able to help, in some way. Cheers, Ashley. On 01/10/2010, at 9:05 PM, David Railton wrote: > Could you please tell me if the European cemetery in Dacca still exists and > if there is any record of memorial inscriptions? > > > > I am looking for an MI for my wife's grandmother, Grace Pauline Percival, > who was buried there on 27 November 1903. > > > > I am a member of BACSA and sent an email to them asking this question about > 6 weeks ago but I have not had a reply. > > > > David > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message