Also see: http://asiaticus.blogspot.co.uk/ ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ================== Kiernander's Church http://asiaticus.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/kiernanders-church.html?showComment=1355340327733 ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Saturday, 16 June 2012 Kiernander's Church http://asiaticus.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/kiernanders-church.html?showComment=1355340327733 ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

A short recap ... http://rangandatta.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/calcutta-kolkata-churches/ ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Dear List Members, I should like to correct the impression that no birth certificates were issued in British India. I used to think this to be the case until I became more familiar with the India Office Records. >From (I think) the 1880s, persons could opt to register their children with one of a series of local Registry Offices in India. A birth certificate was produced and copies of these are included in the N/- series records along with the copies of the more usual Baptismal records. I have not come across any individual with both records included. The data included in Birth Certificates are essentially the same as in Baptismal certificates and the percentage of the former increases slowly from the 1880s until Independence. Registry Office Marriages were authorized from 1852 onwards, of course, and there is a separate series of records for these. Good Hunting and best wishes for Christmas Peter Bailey Chairman Families in British India Society www.fibis.org

The following is a mesage froma non-member, Mr Richard Madge. Can you help him? Replies may be sent directly to his address, with a copy to the List. -- List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Madge rmadge@talktalk.net madge@talktalk.net To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:55 AM Subject: birth certificates Dear Sir or Madam. My name is Richard Madge and I am trying to trace mine & my father's birth certificates. My father's name is Clarence Dealtry Madge, born 20th September 1910 in Calcutta, baptised on the 24th September 1910 at Sacred Heart church, 3 Dharamtala street Calcutta. I was born on the 6th February 1949 in Calcutta & baptised on the 19th February 1949, at St Ignatius church, 51, Ekbalpore road, Kidderpore, Calcutta. All I have are mine & my father's baptism certificates. I would be very greatful for any assistance you can give me, in tracing our birth certificates. Regards. Richard Madge.

Hi Harsh, Richard is a boyhood friend, pass my email message on to him Noel Gunther -----Original Message----- From: Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 4:17 AM To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Cc: rmadge@talktalk.net Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Can you help Richard Madge? The following is a mesage froma non-member, Mr Richard Madge. Can you help him? Replies may be sent directly to his address, with a copy to the List. -- List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Madge rmadge@talktalk.net madge@talktalk.net To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:55 AM Subject: birth certificates Dear Sir or Madam. My name is Richard Madge and I am trying to trace mine & my father's birth certificates. My father's name is Clarence Dealtry Madge, born 20th September 1910 in Calcutta, baptised on the 24th September 1910 at Sacred Heart church, 3 Dharamtala street Calcutta. I was born on the 6th February 1949 in Calcutta & baptised on the 19th February 1949, at St Ignatius church, 51, Ekbalpore road, Kidderpore, Calcutta. All I have are mine & my father's baptism certificates. I would be very greatful for any assistance you can give me, in tracing our birth certificates. Regards. Richard Madge. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Enquirer In India there was no Birth certificates your only Record was and is your Baptism Certificate which was accepted by Authority. Regards Neville ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar" <bosham@gmail.com> Date: Dec 18, 2012 4:17 AM Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Can you help Richard Madge? To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Cc: <rmadge@talktalk.net> The following is a mesage froma non-member, Mr Richard Madge. Can you help him? Replies may be sent directly to his address, with a copy to the List. -- List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Madge rmadge@talktalk.net madge@talktalk.net To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 3:55 AM Subject: birth certificates Dear Sir or Madam. My name is Richard Madge and I am trying to trace mine & my father's birth certificates. My father's name is Clarence Dealtry Madge, born 20th September 1910 in Calcutta, baptised on the 24th September 1910 at Sacred Heart church, 3 Dharamtala street Calcutta. I was born on the 6th February 1949 in Calcutta & baptised on the 19th February 1949, at St Ignatius church, 51, Ekbalpore road, Kidderpore, Calcutta. All I have are mine & my father's baptism certificates. I would be very greatful for any assistance you can give me, in tracing our birth certificates. Regards. Richard Madge. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Harshoo, You asked: The following is a mesage froma non-member, Mr Richard Madge. Can you help him? Replies may be sent directly to his address, with a copy to the List. Dear Sir or Madam. My name is Richard Madge and I am trying to trace mine & my father's birth certificates. My father's name is Clarence Dealtry Madge, born 20th September 1910 in Calcutta, baptised on the 24th September 1910 at Sacred Heart church, 3 Dharamtala street Calcutta. I was born on the 6th February 1949 in Calcutta & baptised on the 19th February 1949, at St Ignatius church, 51, Ekbalpore road, Kidderpore, Calcutta. All I have are mine & my father's baptism certificates. I would be very greatful for any assistance you can give me, in tracing our birth certificates. --ooOoo-- Dear Richard You may find details of your grandfather's birth on familysearch.org in the India Births and Baptisms 1786-1947 section. Here you will find: name: Clarence Dealtry Culby Madge gender: Male baptism/christening date: 19 Feb 1871 baptism/christening place: Calcutta, Bengal, India birth date: 09 Dec 1870 birthplace: Chr. Calcutta Bengal India death date: name note: race: father's name: Walter Culby Madge father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Jane Dealtry mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C75022-3 system origin: India-EASy source film number: 499041 reference number: v 135 p 13 FamilySearch copies the data from the India Office Records which are sometimes more complete in the original version which are held in the British Library. Generally, they are taken from the Baptismal Records, although Birth Certificates from the local Registrar which became increasingly common from about the 1880s, are included in this series. FindMyPast are currently digitizing these records to make available on line and it is still hoped that these will be available early in 2013. If you would care to look at the familsearch.org website, you may well find further details about your family. I hope that this helps Good Hunting Peter Bailey Chairman Families in British India Society www.fibis.org

12 Dec 2012 Obit : Sir John Moreton, diplomat, who has died aged 94, was a WW-II veteran. The campaign in Burma in 1944-45, especially the crucial battle at Kohima that halted the Japanese westward advance, marked him for life. The battle was conducted in monsoon rains and over difficult terrain, but Allied soldiers succeeded in taking Kohima in hand-to-hand fighting that culminated on the district commissioner's tennis court. Moreton was wounded in the shoulder by a sniper but insisted in carrying on. He was awarded an MC, the citation declaring: "Great damage was inflicted on the enemy by the gunfire brought down by Capt Moreton, who put himself in great peril every time he spoke on the wireless owing to the proximity of the enemy... Throughout he showed a great coolness, judgment and courage of the highest order." (snip) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9740344/Sir-John-Moreton.html ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

I have been working on the Portuguese gravestones on the Malabar coast. Have no idea about the Bengal region. Sorry, I am unable to help out. Chekkutty.

Do you think N.P. Chekkutty would know something or someone researching the Portuguese rule in the Bay of Bengal. I am particularly interested in Sebastiao Tibau Goncalves during 1600 to 1625. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Joyce Munro - ----Original Message----- Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] The heyday of Portuguese rule in Kochi/Cochin Our List member N.P Chekkutty has written an excellent article on the Lost rulers of the Malabar Coast (now Kerala). ''Tales of love and loss from the heyday of Portuguese rule in Kochi/Cochin''. Very good reading material. Visit <http://himalmag.com/component/content/article/5131-lost-rulers-of-the-malab ar-coast.html> http://himalmag.com/component/content/article/5131-lost-rulers-of-the-malaba r-coast.html ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Our List member N.P Chekkutty has written an excellent article on the Lost rulers of the Malabar Coast (now Kerala). ''Tales of love and loss from the heyday of Portuguese rule in Kochi/Cochin''. Very good reading material. Visit http://himalmag.com/component/content/article/5131-lost-rulers-of-the-malabar-coast.html ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

To read this Life of the Day complete with a picture of the subject, visit http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-12-10 Godden, (Margaret) Rumer (1907-1998), writer, was born on 10 December 1907 at Meads, 30 Milnthorpe Road, Eastbourne, the second of the four daughters of Arthur Leigh Godden (1876-1966), shipping company manager, and his wife, Katherine Norah Hingley (1876-1966). Soon after Godden's birth her mother took her back to Bengal, where Godden's father worked for the Brahmaputra Steam Navigation Company. Rumer Godden (then known as Peggie) grew up at Narayanganj, on the banks of the Megna River near Dacca in what is now Bangladesh. From the age of five she was determined to be a writer, and several of her best books were inspired by India, where the first half of her life was based. Like most families in British India the Goddens lived in some style, in a large house with a magnificent garden and fifteen servants. All her life Rumer recalled with delight the hibiscus, jasmine, and bougainvillea, and the scent of the sweet peas; but she grew up aware of the darker side of Anglo-Indian life. Although her parents followed the custom of the time by sending their daughters back to England to be educated, they decided to bring Rumer and her sister Jonquil (known as Jon) back to Narayanganj when the First World War began. Godden felt that she was the plain sister (her nose was likened to the duke of Wellington's) but she and Jon were close, and they later collaborated on a book about their upbringing, Two under the Indian Sun (1966). In 1920, however, Rumer reluctantly resumed her interrupted schooling at Moira House in Eastbourne. She disliked her schooldays intensely, but always remained grateful to Mona Swann, the English teacher who taught her grammar and encouraged her to write. However, as she needed to earn her own living she trained first as a dance teacher (later she used a ballet company as the background for several books). Back in India, Godden read E. M. Forster's A Passage to India soon after its publication in 1924 and, she later wrote, began to feel uneasy about the attitudes and reputation of the conventional Anglo-Indian world she inhabited. Rumer Godden, prickly and indomitable, always went her own way; to the alarm of her circle, in 1930 she opened the Peggie Godden School of Dance in Calcutta, where she unconventionally accepted both Indian and Eurasian pupils. On 9 March 1934 she married Laurence Sinclair Foster (1905-1977), a stockbroker and golf champion, in Calcutta Cathedral because she was pregnant with his child (the boy died at birth). The marriage was soon in difficulties as they had little in common, but they had two more children, Jane and Paula. Rumer Godden's first book, Chinese Puzzle, celebrating the Pekinese dogs she loved all her life, was published in 1935, but she made her name with Black Narcissus, which appeared in 1939 while she was back in England awaiting the birth of her second child. A psychologically acute novel about a group of nuns struggling to set up a convent in the Himalayan foothills, it became a best-seller on both sides of the Atlantic and was later made into a classic film by Michael Powell (much despised by Godden). After the Second World War broke out, Godden took her children on a hazardous journey by boat to rejoin her husband in Calcutta. When he joined the army in 1941 she was left severely in debt; she retreated with her daughters first to a tea plantation near Darjeeling and then to a house outside Srinagar in Kashmir. She started a herb garden and continued doggedly to write; but in 1944, after a mysterious episode when it appeared that one of the servants had put ground glass in the family's food (which she used in her book Kingfishers Catch Fire, 1953), she fled back to Calcutta, where she occupied herself in writing a report on the war work being done by women in Bengal. In 1945 Godden returned to Britain, determined to resume her career as a novelist. She was divorced from Laurence Foster in 1948 and on 26 November 1949 married James Leslie Haynes-Dixon (1900-1973), a civil servant then running the central office of information. A week later she found herself back in Calcutta with Jean Renoir, the renowned French film director, helping him make a film based on what is perhaps her best book, The River (1946), which draws heavily upon her own childhood. For the rest of her life she lived in Britain. Rumer Godden was restless by nature, and the search for the perfect place to live and work led her to move house frequently. Nevertheless, she was a disciplined and productive writer whose books brought her a devoted following. In the early 1960s she converted to Roman Catholicism, and her friendship with the scholarly Benedictine nun Dame Felicitas Corrigan led to one of her most ambitious and admired novels, In this House of Brede (1969). She alternated her adult novels with books for children, and in 1972 she won a Whitbread award for The Diddakoi, a novel for teenagers about Gypsies, televised as Kizzy. After her husband's death in 1973 she moved from Rye in Sussex, where they had been living in the house that once belonged to Henry James, to be near her daughter Jane in Dumfriesshire. During the 1980s Rumer Godden's fiction went through an unfashionable phase, but she had renewed success with A Time to Dance, No Time to Weep (1987) and A House with Four Rooms (1989), her two volumes of autobiography; in 1993 she was appointed OBE. In 1994, at eighty-six, she spent a month travelling around her old haunts in India for a television documentary, sustained, at her request, by a supply of her favourite whisky. In 1997 her last novel, Cromartie v. the God Shiva, Acting through the Government of India, once again set in India, was published and widely praised. By this time her health was failing, and after a series of strokes she died on 8 November 1998, at Parkgate Nursing Home, Courance, Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire. Her ashes were buried with her second husband's in Rye after a memorial service on 10 December 1998, which would have been her ninety-first birthday. She produced seventy books, including collections of poetry and anthologies. Anne Chisholm Sources R. Godden and J. Godden, Two under the Indian sun (1966) + R. Godden, A time to dance, no time to weep (1987) + R. Godden, A house with four rooms (1989) + A. Chisholm, Rumer Godden: a storyteller's life (1998) + private information (2004) [daughter] + b. cert. + m. cert. [James Leslie Haynes-Dixon] + d. cert. Archives Boston University Library, corresp. and literary papers + priv. coll., papers SOUND BBC Sound Archives Likenesses M. Gerson, photograph, 1958, NPG [see illus.] · photographs, priv. coll. ======================================================================== © Oxford University Press, 2004. See legal notice: http://www.oup.com/oxforddnb/legal/ We hope you have enjoyed this Life of The Day, but if you do wish to stop receiving these messages, please EITHER send a message to LISTSERV@WEBBER.UK.HUB.OUP.COM with signoff ODNBLIFEOFTHEDAY-L in the body (not the subject line) of the message OR send an email to epm-oxforddnb@oup.com, asking us to stop sending you these messages.

Oxford DNB Life of the Day for today, Monday, 10 December 2012 Writer (Margaret) Rumer Godden (1907-1998) Free online for one week at: http://www.oxforddnb.com/view/lotw/2012-12-10 She was born on 10 December 1907 at Meads, 30 Milnthorpe Road, Eastbourne, the second of the four daughters of Arthur Leigh Godden (1876-1966), shipping company manager, and his wife, Katherine Norah Hingley (1876-1966). Soon after Godden's birth her mother took her back to Bengal, where Godden's father worked for the Brahmaputra Steam Navigation Company. Rumer Godden (then known as Peggie) grew up at Narayanganj, on the banks of the Megna River near Dacca in what is now Bangladesh. From the age of five she was determined to be a writer, and several of her best books were inspired by India, where the first half of her life was based. Like most families in British India the Goddens lived in some style, in a large house with a magnificent garden and fifteen servants. All her life Rumer recalled with delight the hibiscus, jasmine, and bougainvillea, and the scent of the sweet peas; but she grew up aware of the darker side of Anglo-Indian life. (SNIP) ---- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Hi Listers, in 2005 Harsha emailed advising of a report in the Hindu about the Old Kilpauk Cemetery records going 'online'....see link below http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ/2005-08/1124085955 Any idea if this has been done...? Not holding my breath!!!! Kind Regards Kerry Canberra IF YOU FORWARD MY EMAILS AS A COURTESY PLEASE REMOVE ALL PRECEDING EMAIL ADDRESSES INCLUDING MINE. BLIND COPY (bcc) IF YOU CAN AS IT AVOID SPAMMERS USING ADDRESSES.

Thank you, Rupert, I have seen this but I am still cautious. Maybe I have no need to be but there has been another organisation in India promising vast sources of records and producing nothing that I can see. David -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Butler family and enterprise Sent: 05 December 2012 22:56 To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] South Asia Archive? Googling "Routledge South Asia Archive" produces lots of references including, on the first page, a notice of an Indian government minister Mr Kapil Sibal launching the archive. Rupert Butler -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 05 December 2012 20:57 To: INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] South Asia Archive? I have just received a newsletter from something called 'Routledge South Asia Archive' telling me that the archive is being launched next year. Does anyone know what this is? Whenever I receive something like this I have not heard of I always suspect spam or scam. David Railton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Googling "Routledge South Asia Archive" produces lots of references including, on the first page, a notice of an Indian government minister Mr Kapil Sibal launching the archive. Rupert Butler -----Original Message----- From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Railton Sent: 05 December 2012 20:57 To: INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] South Asia Archive? I have just received a newsletter from something called 'Routledge South Asia Archive' telling me that the archive is being launched next year. Does anyone know what this is? Whenever I receive something like this I have not heard of I always suspect spam or scam. David Railton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just received a newsletter from something called 'Routledge South Asia Archive' telling me that the archive is being launched next year. Does anyone know what this is? Whenever I receive something like this I have not heard of I always suspect spam or scam. David Railton

Hi Harshu, I tried to watch the clip three times but it crashes about 10 seconds from the start! Cheers Ainslie.

Thanks for the "heads up" on this site. I don't like the fact that you can't even find out what records they have to search unless you sign up and to do that they want your full address and phone number!! I know I can use "made up" answers for this but unless I am about to pay for any information (don't know if this is potentially the case or not) I wont give them that much information and generally give these sorts of sites a miss. Graeme Simpson At 22/11/2012 12:49 AM, David Railton wrote: >Be very wary of burialsinindia.net I have been told that much of the >information on this website is misleading. I don't know what the current >position is but I do know that earlier this year the Christian Burials Board >in India who had contracted these people to provide this service were in >dispute with them. I would not use this website. > >David