Thanks Richard. Sadly the Burra Bazar caught fire a couple of weeks ago. Liz Chater was in Cal at the time and could see the place on fire. The Fire Dept had a problem as their ladders weren't long enough to get to the top floors. I had many a shopping spree in the Harrison Road "cloth" market which was crammed with dress materials etc., Best wishes Molly Sarstedt-Hamilton, Townsville, Australia We are having the most rain in 30 years!!! Researching - Sarstedt/Hitchcock/Osborne/Cullen/Pringle/Vargas/Hamilton/Slark/Samworth/Fury/Short/Lawcock/Smith

Hi This link takes you to some good black and white photographs of Calcutta http://oldsite.library.upenn.edu/etext/sasia/calcutta1947/album1.html Richard Rozario ( Toronto)

Hi everyone Does any subscriber know where I could get a copy -audio andvideo -of the military parade that is held annually in Delhi to celebrate Republic Day. Any format would do, such as VHS or DVD. It does not have to be from any particular year. I have read so much about this parade, and as ex-Indian army, I would like to see a film of it. From the bits I have seen on TV news, it is quite a grand show. Thanks a lot. Alfred Vieyra in Ontario

Friday, 25 January 2008 REMEMBERING FALLEN HEROES In memory of the brave Gorkha soldiers of the Darjeeling Hills on the occasion of the 58th Republic Day http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=31&theme=&usrsess=1&id=187432 ----- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

History and Origins of the Pakistani Rupee January 22, 2008 http://moinansari.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/history-and-origins-of-the-pakistani-rupee/ ----- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

From http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Rare_Netaji_papers_to_be_released/articleshow/2722459.cms Quote Rare Netaji papers to be released 23 Jan 2008 NEW DELHI: There could not have been a better gift to the nation to honour Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose on his 111th birth anniversary. There was so far no trace of the publication named "Forward Bloc" that Bose started in 1939 to build opinion against the British establishment since it survived barely a little more than a year before the British rulers banned the paper in 1940 and cracked down on anybody found storing a copy of any of the issue of the newspaper. In the same year (1939) that he broke away from the Indian National Congress and floated his own party calling it Forward Bloc, Bose also started his own paper to build opinion against the British establishment. While it took a while to start his party, Bose already started editing and publishing the publication. Almost when people had given hope of retrieving even an evidence of the paper left anywhere in the world, the present Forward Bloc party general secretary Ashok Ghosh received a 5-kg packet all the way from Italy. It carried almost every edition of the paper that was published a little more than a year that it survived, with its hard-hitting editorials written by Bose himself and other nationalistic writers including Nirad C Chaudhury or barrister Niharendu Datta Majumdar, who played a major role in the movement against the regressive Permanent Settlement Act. The papers had been carefully stored by a Bengali, who lived in Italy and worked for Bose's movement to spread propaganda against the British empire in those heady years of India's national struggle. His family found the treasure and sent it across to Ghosh a year ago. Excited about the historic content of the paper, Forward Bloc party worked over a year to compile and reprint all the editions of the paper and published it in two volumes in bound-book form, which will be released on Wednesday, Netaji's 111th birth anniversary, by former PM V P Singh here. Unquote ----- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

Dear Listers, Tomorrow is the Republic Day of India and my greetings to the List on this occasion... The Republic Day Parade on the Rajpath, in front of the Rashtrapati Bhavan (The President's Residence) is a great attraction. In it India showcases its defence preparedness, its diversity of cultures and its achievements. The parade starts at 10 a.m. Indian time (5h 30m ahead of GMT). The salute will be taken by Pratibha Patil, the first woman to become the President of India. A live feed of the parade will be available on the websites of Doordarshan (Government-run channel) at http://www.ddindia.gov.in/ as well as on NDTV 24/7, a private channel (www.ndtv.com) Arvind Kolhatkar, January 25, 2008.

One cannot mention Worcestershire sauce without remembering this immortal tribute : ** Worcester sauce he is a gondiment and not a fluid ** [Muller, the gigantic German, reminding his cook in Rudyard Kipling's ''In the Rukh'' from ''Many Inventions''.] ----- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arvind Kolhatkar" Worcestershire sauce apparently is a gift of the Raj and India to the world! I accidentally came across this and toss it to the List in case someone knows more about this piece of useless knowledge.

Further to this correspondence - In my great grandparents' journals describing their various voyages to India, the following details were given:- In 1826 They went round the Cape, stopping at Madeira, Isle of France, Madras and then Calcutta. In 1854 (still round the Cape) they didn't stop very much except for the Canary Islands and Ceylon. By 1892 they went through the Med., stopping at Gibraltar, Naples, Port Said, Aden, Ismailia, Colombo, Madras and Calcutta. Hope this is of some help Regards - Pam Harrison

Thanks so much to everyone - ( pity about St. Helena - ) There must have been quite a large part of the hold used for the cattle sheep etc and their water and fodder for such a long trip. Ceri Harris At 07:48 AM 23/01/2008, you wrote: >Further to this correspondence - In my great grandparents' journals >describing their various voyages to India, the following details were given:- > >In 1826 They went round the Cape, stopping at Madeira, Isle of >France, Madras and then Calcutta. > >In 1854 (still round the Cape) they didn't stop very much except for >the Canary Islands and Ceylon. > >By 1892 they went through the Med., stopping at Gibraltar, Naples, >Port Said, Aden, Ismailia, Colombo, Madras and Calcutta. > >Hope this is of some help > >Regards - Pam Harrison > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ceri wrote: I am researching a family member who sailed on the St George > from Bristol to Calcutta in 1838. I believe that he would have gone > round the Cape of Good Hope, possibly calling in to St Helena on the > way - in convoy with other sailing ships, for mutual protection. I > don't know where they might have called after that, before reaching > Calcutta. Was there an established 'normal' route? and if so does > anyone know what the ports of call would have been? FIBIS Volunteers have transcribed and published many thousand entries from the "Arrivals & Departures" announcements in the various presidency directories up to 1858. These are available on the FIBIS Search site at www.search.fibis.org under the 'Maritime Records' section. Unfortunately the records for Bengal are taken from the 'Bengal Directory' which gave fewer details about intermediate ports into which the ship may have called. The 'New Calcutta Directory' which was used after 1855 does give these details. So, the 'Arrival' of St. George in 1838 are given in the Bengal Diectory in the 1839 edition but with no intermediate ports of call. (St. Helena would almost certainly not have been included). Details for the St. George in this list on the web-site indicate the names of 31 passengers who travelled from Bristol to Calcutta, arriving in December 1838. Note that some 'less important' passengers might not have been named! Hope this is helpful Good Hunting! Peter Bailey Chairman Families in British India Society www.fibis.org

Looks fun, how about a lively kedegree to start the day? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Chidley" <ann.chidley@btinternet.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Worcestershire sauce > Going through my grandmother and great grandmothers handwritten recipe > books, I found her recipe for Indian Worcester Sauce > 1 Bottle vinegar, 1lb sugar > 4 oz rasins, 12 cloves > 1 teasp all space, 4 pieces mace > 1 oz each of ginger and garlic > 8 dry chillis, 2 inches cinnamon > All these ingredients except sugar to be ground in vinegar. Boil(?) half > the sugar, then add vinegar with other ingredients and boil gentry for a > few mins. Sieve when cool and bottle. > She also has a recipe for FLIT if anyone remembers that, also a cure for > red mange for cats and dogs. The rest of the recipes look quite edible! > > > Arvind Kolhatkar <akolhatkar@rogers.com> wrote: > Dear Listers, > > Worcestershire sauce apparently is a gift of the Raj and India to the > world! I accidentally came across this and toss it to the List in case > someone knows more about this piece of useless knowledge. > > A widely reported legend has it that "Lord Marcus Sandys, ex-Governor of > Bengal" encountered this sauce while in India in the 1830s, missed it on > his return, and commissioned the local apothecaries Lee and Perrin to > recreate it. > > The Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_sauce > has the following: > > its now amount to thousands of pounds a year.> > > There seems to be a lot of confusion about the names. There never was any > 'Lord Marcus Sandys, Governor of Bengal', though several other sites > credit him with bringing the recipe from India. I think Sir Charles, Chief > Justice of India and uncle of Mrs. Grey mentioned above would be the same > as the one mentioned in the following quote, taken from p. 297 of the > 'Asiatic Journal and Monthly Register, January-April 1832. If this is so, > it was his recipe, passed on to his niece Mrs. Grey, came in the > possession of Lady Sandys and from her went to the chemist firm Lee and > Perrins of Worcester, who eventually made huge profits from it. Lee and > Perrins is now a part of the Heinz empire and the sauce continues to bring > in a steady flow of profit to Heinz. If this is so, we now know to whom > thanks are due for the Worcestershire sauce! > > THE power of Hindus over property acquired by their ancestors has lately > been a subject of discussion in the Supreme Court at Calcutta, where the > view reported to have been taken of the question has created considerable > anxiety amongst the holders of alienated ancestral property. Sir Charles > Grey, the chief justice, it is stated, delivered an opinion, in 1830, > that, by the Hindu law, every disposition by a father of his ancestral > real property, without the sanction of his sons and grandsons, is null and > void. This dictum induced Rajah Rammohun Roy to draw up an essay on the > Right of Hindus over Ancestral Property, showing not only that the view > taken by the chief justice is contrary to the practice of half a century, > but that it is at variance with the law of Bengal. > > > Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, January 22, 2008. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.9/1237 - Release Date: > 22/01/2008 11:04 >

Hi, this is rather illogical,each subject has to studied on its own.The famines during the raj are well documented,in fact as late as 1949's the bengal famine was due to sheer mismanagement by the Government. skp --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Tryit now.

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There is an excellent British logbook, available by searching with Google, using the keywords ( sailing route 1863 britain to india ). The logbook can be found at this link icoads.noaa.gov/reclaim/pdf/British_logbooks_v4.pdf It mentions different routes depending on the season. On pages 27 and 28 the routes are described and maps are shown. Charles Dique in Honolulu . Was there an established 'normal' route? and if so does anyone know what the ports of call would have been? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Going through my grandmother and great grandmothers handwritten recipe books, I found her recipe for Indian Worcester Sauce 1 Bottle vinegar, 1lb sugar 4 oz rasins, 12 cloves 1 teasp all space, 4 pieces mace 1 oz each of ginger and garlic 8 dry chillis, 2 inches cinnamon All these ingredients except sugar to be ground in vinegar. Boil(?) half the sugar, then add vinegar with other ingredients and boil gentry for a few mins. Sieve when cool and bottle. She also has a recipe for FLIT if anyone remembers that, also a cure for red mange for cats and dogs. The rest of the recipes look quite edible! Arvind Kolhatkar <akolhatkar@rogers.com> wrote: Dear Listers, Worcestershire sauce apparently is a gift of the Raj and India to the world! I accidentally came across this and toss it to the List in case someone knows more about this piece of useless knowledge. A widely reported legend has it that "Lord Marcus Sandys, ex-Governor of Bengal" encountered this sauce while in India in the 1830s, missed it on his return, and commissioned the local apothecaries Lee and Perrin to recreate it. The Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_sauce has the following: its now amount to thousands of pounds a year.> There seems to be a lot of confusion about the names. There never was any 'Lord Marcus Sandys, Governor of Bengal', though several other sites credit him with bringing the recipe from India. I think Sir Charles, Chief Justice of India and uncle of Mrs. Grey mentioned above would be the same as the one mentioned in the following quote, taken from p. 297 of the 'Asiatic Journal and Monthly Register, January-April 1832. If this is so, it was his recipe, passed on to his niece Mrs. Grey, came in the possession of Lady Sandys and from her went to the chemist firm Lee and Perrins of Worcester, who eventually made huge profits from it. Lee and Perrins is now a part of the Heinz empire and the sauce continues to bring in a steady flow of profit to Heinz. If this is so, we now know to whom thanks are due for the Worcestershire sauce! THE power of Hindus over property acquired by their ancestors has lately been a subject of discussion in the Supreme Court at Calcutta, where the view reported to have been taken of the question has created considerable anxiety amongst the holders of alienated ancestral property. Sir Charles Grey, the chief justice, it is stated, delivered an opinion, in 1830, that, by the Hindu law, every disposition by a father of his ancestral real property, without the sanction of his sons and grandsons, is null and void. This dictum induced Rajah Rammohun Roy to draw up an essay on the Right of Hindus over Ancestral Property, showing not only that the view taken by the chief justice is contrary to the practice of half a century, but that it is at variance with the law of Bengal. > Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, January 22, 2008. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi I'm new to this list - please excuse me if this is well covered ground. I am researching a family member who sailed on the St George from Bristol to Calcutta in 1838. I believe that he would have gone round the Cape of Good Hope, possibly calling in to St Helena on the way - in convoy with other sailing ships, for mutual protection. I don't know where they might have called after that, before reaching Calcutta. Was there an established 'normal' route? and if so does anyone know what the ports of call would have been? Ceri Harris

Dear Listers, Worcestershire sauce apparently is a gift of the Raj and India to the world! I accidentally came across this and toss it to the List in case someone knows more about this piece of useless knowledge. A widely reported legend has it that "Lord Marcus Sandys, ex-Governor of Bengal" encountered this sauce while in India in the 1830s, missed it on his return, and commissioned the local apothecaries Lee and Perrin to recreate it. The Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcestershire_sauce has the following: <We quote the following history of the well-known Worcester Sauce, as given in the World. The label shows it is prepared "from the recipe of a nobleman in the county." The nobleman is Lord Sandys. Many years ago, Mrs. Grey, author of The Gambler's Wife and other novels, was on a visit at Ombersley Court, when Lady Sandys chanced to remark that she wished she could get some very good curry powder, which elicited from Mrs. Grey that she had in her desk an excellent recipe, which her uncle, Sir Charles, Chief Justice of India, had brought thence, and given her. Lady Sandys said that there were some clever chemists in Worcester, who perhaps might be able to make up the powder. Messrs. Lea and Perrins looked at the recipe, doubted if they could procure all the ingredients, but said they would do their best, and in due time forwarded a packet of the powder. Subsequently the happy thought struck someone in the business that the powder might, in solution, make a good sauce. The profits now amount to thousands of pounds a year.> There seems to be a lot of confusion about the names. There never was any 'Lord Marcus Sandys, Governor of Bengal', though several other sites credit him with bringing the recipe from India. I think Sir Charles, Chief Justice of India and uncle of Mrs. Grey mentioned above would be the same as the one mentioned in the following quote, taken from p. 297 of the 'Asiatic Journal and Monthly Register, January-April 1832. If this is so, it was his recipe, passed on to his niece Mrs. Grey, came in the possession of Lady Sandys and from her went to the chemist firm Lee and Perrins of Worcester, who eventually made huge profits from it. Lee and Perrins is now a part of the Heinz empire and the sauce continues to bring in a steady flow of profit to Heinz. If this is so, we now know to whom thanks are due for the Worcestershire sauce! <HINDU LAW OF INHERITANCE. THE power of Hindus over property acquired by their ancestors has lately been a subject of discussion in the Supreme Court at Calcutta, where the view reported to have been taken of the question has created considerable anxiety amongst the holders of alienated ancestral property. Sir Charles Grey, the chief justice, it is stated, delivered an opinion, in 1830, that, by the Hindu law, every disposition by a father of his ancestral real property, without the sanction of his sons and grandsons, is null and void. This dictum induced Rajah Rammohun Roy to draw up an essay on the Right of Hindus over Ancestral Property, showing not only that the view taken by the chief justice is contrary to the practice of half a century, but that it is at variance with the law of Bengal. > Arvind Kolhatkar, Toronto, January 22, 2008.

Sunday, August 21, 2005 http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050821/asp/look/story_5131869.asp Remembrances of things past Writer John George Lang would have been a forgotten man had Ruskin Bond not stumbled upon his grave. Anirban Das Mahapatra reports Most of the plaques that line the ancient walls of Christ Church in Mussoorie, the oldest church in the Himalayas, date back to the 1800s. In the ornate calligraphy that adorns their marble facia are remembered several men and women, to have breathed their last in the Subcontinent they had come to make their own. Faithful servants in Her Majesty's Service, brave lieutenants in the Bengal Army and their doting wives all find a place by the pews in the hallowed portals of the hall. So does John George Lang. Amid the antiquity, however, the plaque in memory of the "barrister, writer, journalist, wanderer, editor of The Moffussilite, the first Australian-born novelist... a brilliant and restless soul", stands out in stark contrast. The dates (born 19 December, 1816; died 24 August, 1864) place the inscription in temporal context to its surroundings, but the physical brilliance is somewhat incongruous. Unveiled by the Australian high commission on August 15 this year, it is a belated tribute to a man who was long forgotten, only to be remembered again. If only metallic sheen could make up for lost time. "Lang was a resident of Mussoorie in the later years of his life," says Reverend Eric Templeton, priest of the church. "The church records show that he was a member of the church, and reveal that his last rites were performed by the then Christ Church chaplain. Since his death, however, he has been a forgotten man, and would have remained so had Ruskin Bond not stumbled upon his grave," he says. The story goes like this. It was after coming across Lang's reference in a book called John Lang and the Forger's Wife, written by Australian writer Nancy Keesing, that Ruskin Bond, a resident of Landour in Mussoorie, began research on the Australian expatriate's legacy in the hill town. On one of his excursions to the Camel's Back Cemetery in Mussoorie in 1964, Bond discovered Lang's grave, obscured by shrubbery. "In course of time, I came across a few of his writings, which were reproduced and sent to me by a friend from England, and found them to be an interesting account of life in north India in the days before the Sepoy Mutiny in 1857," says Bond. The writer eventually used one of Lang's short stories, titled The Meerut Graveyard, in The Book of Indian Ghost Stories that he edited. "It wasn't really a ghost story," says Bond. "But it was kind of spooky, so I decided to use it." That apart, Bond also used an extract from Lang's The Himalaya Club, written about the club of the same name in Mussoorie, in his book The Lamp is Lit: Leaves from a Journal. There was a motive for Bond's decision; he wanted the world to read the works of one of the earliest chroniclers of India in the English language. "He verged on the melodramatic, was satirical at times and loved to exaggerate and sensationalise things," says Bond of Lang's style. "He wrote fiction that was quite racy compared to contemporary literature. But his travelogues, on the other hand, brought to prominence the little details of life in north India." Born in Parramatta, Australia, Lang had gone to England where he earned a degree in law. He migrated to India at the age of 25, to practise law in Calcutta, where his brother was already settled. In the mid-19th century, Lang moved to Meerut, which was then a bustling British cantonment. With a journalistic bent of mind, Lang soon began to edit and print a newspaper called The Moffussilite out of Meerut. "He presumably wrote half of it himself," says Bond. "And it probably had a fairly good readership." A lover of the country he lived in and its people, Lang had also begun to exercise his legal expertise for Indians. "Lang represented Indians, including the Rani of Jhansi, in their legal fights against the East India Company, which did not earn him friends among the British authorities," says the Australian high commission. Bond adds that Lang had once represented an Indian worker who had not been paid by the East India Company. "He had a knack for such radical things," he says. Yet Lang maintained considerable social repute. "He liked to socialise and was supposedly a heavy drinker too." Lang wrote some 11 novels during his lifetime, apart from several plays, short stories and travelogues. Some of his writings also appeared in Household Words, the magazine published by Charles Dickens in England during the 1850s. Despite Bond's efforts to popularise Lang and his works among 20th century readers, Lang remained an obscure figure till Rory Medcalf, former spokesperson of the high commission, undertook some painstaking research to give Lang his deserved pride of place. "What probably moved Rory was the fact that Lang, being the first Australian-born novelist, was not recognised in Australia," says current high commission spokesperson John Fisher. "It was a lacuna in Australian literature that he felt needed to be filled." Starting in late 2002, Medcalf went on to collaborate with fellow Australian Victor Crittenden, a former librarian and scholar of 19th century Australian literature, on his project. A biography of Lang, written by the latter and titled John Lang: Australia's Larrikin Writer is slated to be published in Canberra sometime in September. Back in India, Bond has his own take on how to popularise the late writer. "His books are all out of print and one can only find copies in museums," he says. "However, if the Australian authorities could arrange for reproduction of Lang's works from the archives, I could write an introduction and request publishers to publish the works once again. That would perhaps be the best way to make today's readers familiar with his works." It's a plan Medcalf has apparently had at the back of his mind as well, says Fisher. "If a publisher shows adequate interest in publishing Lang's works, we would do all we could on our part to get the works back in print. We would welcome such a gesture," he adds. That's not to say that Lang's grave in Mussoorie would become a tourist attraction in the years to come. Some things are best left untouched. ================== ----- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

Book Review War of Civilisations: India AD 1857 by Amaresh Misra [Vol. I The Road to Delhi and Vol. II The Long Revolution] Published by Rupa & Co, 7/16, Ansari Road, Darya Ganj, New Delhi-110 007, Price Rs. 2,500/- The reviewer Devendra Swarup terms the book as ''A biased and flawed version of 1857''. http://www.organiser.org/dynamic/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=221&page=28 ----- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India