I have recently found the term 'Coffry girl' in a document from India dated 1814. Can anyone please explain the meaning? David

Yours truly was the Consultant for the series.And yes, there has been another series made by NDTV on battles fought by India's warriors starting with the North African Campaign of WW 2 through Italy and Burma and ending with the Kargil War.Once again one played a role.The series was called 'Great Battles'. Mandeep Bajwa ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" <wulguru.wantok@gmail.com> To: "Raj" <INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:13 AM Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Pragmatic Euphony > > > Begin forwarded message: > > Very interesting reading from > > > > Sunday listening: Stand at East > > Posted: 28 Jun 2008 02:10 PM CDT > > Lord Salisbury once described India as 'a barracks in the Oriental > seas from which we may draw any number of troops without paying for > them.' > > Which army, over two million men strong, had not a single conscript? > Which army bore the brunt of the Japanese attack on Burma and Malaya? > Which army fought in North Africa and took part in the assault on > Monte Cassino in Italy? > > The answer is the World War Two British Indian Army: a remarkable > fighting force of men from almost every caste, creed and corner of > India, serving under both British and Indian officers. It played a > crucial but forgotten role in the allied victory. > > In June 2005, BBC Radio 4 ran a three-part series on the contribution > of the British Indian Army during the Second World War, titled "Stand > at East". It was hosted by the famous Indophile Sir Mark Tully, former > BBC correspondent and author. It has three episodes of around 30 > minutes duration each [in Real media streaming format] and provides > some enriching and entertaining fare. > > In Part 1 [Listen to episode 1 here], Tully begins with the > transformation of the Indian Army, changing horses for tanks, and > small arms for artillery, into a force that became the world's largest > volunteer army. > > In Part 2 [Listen to episode 2 here], survivors of the gruelling Burma > campaign recall the horrors of battle and veterans of the Indian > National Army reflect on the provocations which drove them into > fighting against the British. > > In Part 3 [Listen to episode 3 here], veterans of what is called the > forgotten army demand recognition for their achievement in inflicting > the biggest defeat on land the Japanese ever suffered. > > Ever wondered why this nation, 60 years after independence, has not > been able to produce a similar chronicle of independent India's > military history. Can any of the readers send me links to similar > accounts of 1971, Operation Vijay or Operation Meghdoot, let alone > 1948, 1962, 1965 or Operation Blue Star? > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Andrew, Thanks for your very erudite msg about Pimms. I am also very pleased to note the return of the Reverend. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

G'day Harshawardhan, On 01/07/2008, at 6:14 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > Please tell me if the following is true - I'm sure many > of you have tried the Pimm's Cup. Absolutely true. But more of a drink for the memsahibs than the sahibs! Very refreshing too. (speaking from experience when I would help myself to my mother's glass). ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

G'day Harsgawardhan, On 01/07/2008, at 6:27 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: << (Sir) Rameshchandra Mitra, (1840-1899) noted lawyer and judge, was born in Rajarhat-Bishnupur village in 24-Paraganas, West Bengal, >> The early history of the Law in Calcutta is well covered in the four volumes of William Hickey's "Memoirs" - I have had a set for many years. see.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hickey_(memoirist) I lived in 24 Parganas too. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

G'day Harshawardhan, On 01/07/2008, at 6:14 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: Please tell me if the following is true - I'm sure many of you have tried the Pimm's Cup. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India From http://flatsoundofwoodenclogs.blogspot.com/2008/06/summer-afternoon.html Monday, June 30, 2008 Summer afternoon... Henry James said that the two most beautiful words in the English language are "summer afternoon." But I'd have to add two more to the list - "Pimm's Cup." Over the years I've read a number of novels set in India when it was part of the British Empire. In the novels the British characters were always dashing off to the club for a "Pimm's Cup." I never knew what that was until my daughter showed up one hot summer weekend with a bottle of Pimm's Cup No.1. She proceeded to make us the most wonderful of summer drinks - lots of ice, Pimm's Cup and ginger ale, with the addition of a thin slice of cucumber and a squeeze of lemon. The drink has a slightly astringent/tart/sweet/herbal flavor which is incredibly refreshing on a hot day. Serving Pimm's Cup is a summer tradition at our house now. Really, if you haven't tried it, you are in for a wonderful treat! ============= Also see http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_30148,00.html and http://www.bostoncocktails.com/2006-05-30-pimms-cup.html and http://www.napoleonhouse.com/pimmscup.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

Hhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pimm's_Cup_(cocktail)#Pimm.27s_No.1_Cocktail_.28Pimm.27s_Cup.2C_Pimm.27s_No.1_Cup.29arshoo - It's true - a delicious drop! It's true! A delicious drop and very refreshing after a game of badminton!..........Billllllll.....!

(Sir) Rameshchandra Mitra, (1840-1899) noted lawyer and judge, was born in Rajarhat-Bishnupur village in 24-Paraganas, West Bengal, son of Ramchandra Mitra, a high official in the Sadar Diwani Adalat. Mitra studied at Hare School in Kolkata and won scholarships in both junior and senior scholarship examinations. After passing BA from presidency college, he obtained his BL degree in 1861. Rameshchandra started practising law at the Sadar Diwani Adalat. After it was amalgamated with Calcutta High Court in 1862, he served as a judge from 1871 to 1890. He was the first Bengali judge to become chief justice of Calcutta High Court twice, first in 1882 and then in 1886. For some time he also worked at the Hay's Law Report as a reporter. Rameshchandra became a member of the Public Service Commission in 1887 and of the Indian Legislative Council in 1891. He also became a member of the Jury Commission in 1893. He opposed the Elliott Notification, which aimed to disable the jury system. He was a fellow of Calcutta University, president of the law faculty of the university, and for some time vice-president of the Indian Association for Cultivation of Science. He was also associated with the British Indian association. In 1890 he was knighted by the British government. After his retirement in 1890 he joined the Indian National Congress. Rameshchandra assisted generously in promoting education in India. In 1890 he saved Ripon College from closure. He also supported the Metropolitan Institution. He played an important role in establishing educational institutions such as Deaf and Dumb School, Bhowanipore Suburban School and Bhowanipore Girls' School. To promote teaching of Sanskrit, he established the Bhagabat Chatuspathi at Bhowanipore. He also helped maintain a charitable dispensary and the two schools founded by him in his native village. He provided a monthly allowance to Hemchandra Banerjee. Rameshchandra had an impartial sense of justice and conducted his judicial work with a spirit of independence, refusing to yield to threats, pressures or temptations. In the contempt of court case filed against Surendranath Banerjee (1883), he delivered a judgement opposed to the English judges. Rameshchandra was a strong nationalist and supported the Ilbert Bill, which made Indians and Europeans equal in the eyes of law. He suggested that the ICS examination be held in India and England simultaneously. Rameshchandra passed away on 13 July 1899. http://banglapedia.search.com.bd/HT/M_0278.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

Please tell me if the following is true - I'm sure many of you have tried the Pimm's Cup. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India From http://flatsoundofwoodenclogs.blogspot.com/2008/06/summer-afternoon.html Monday, June 30, 2008 Summer afternoon... Henry James said that the two most beautiful words in the English language are "summer afternoon." But I'd have to add two more to the list - "Pimm's Cup." Over the years I've read a number of novels set in India when it was part of the British Empire. In the novels the British characters were always dashing off to the club for a "Pimm's Cup." I never knew what that was until my daughter showed up one hot summer weekend with a bottle of Pimm's Cup No.1. She proceeded to make us the most wonderful of summer drinks - lots of ice, Pimm's Cup and ginger ale, with the addition of a thin slice of cucumber and a squeeze of lemon. The drink has a slightly astringent/tart/sweet/herbal flavor which is incredibly refreshing on a hot day. Serving Pimm's Cup is a summer tradition at our house now. Really, if you haven't tried it, you are in for a wonderful treat! ============= Also see http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_30148,00.html and http://www.bostoncocktails.com/2006-05-30-pimms-cup.html and http://www.napoleonhouse.com/pimmscup.html

Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > Please tell me if the following is true - I'm sure many of you > have tried the Pimm's Cup. > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > Nagpur, India > > From > http://flatsoundofwoodenclogs.blogspot.com/2008/06/summer-afternoon.html > > Monday, June 30, 2008 > > Summer afternoon... > > Henry James said that the two most beautiful words in the English > language are "summer afternoon." But I'd have to add two more to > the list - "Pimm's Cup." > > Over the years I've read a number of novels set in India when it was > part of the British Empire. In the novels the British characters were > always dashing off to the club for a "Pimm's Cup." I never knew what > that was until my daughter showed up one hot summer weekend with > a bottle of Pimm's Cup No.1. She proceeded to make us the most > wonderful of summer drinks - lots of ice, Pimm's Cup and ginger ale, > with the addition of a thin slice of cucumber and a squeeze of lemon. > The drink has a slightly astringent/tart/sweet/herbal flavor which is > incredibly refreshing on a hot day. > > Serving Pimm's Cup is a summer tradition at our house now. Really, > if you haven't tried it, you are in for a wonderful treat! Harshawarden - Essentially true. I am pleased that the 'Blog Writer' advocated just the addition of a slice of cucumber and a squeeze of lemon to the concoction, rather than the gross 'mixed salad' assemblage so often used today. However, I would suggest a slice, rather than a squeeze, of lemon and the addition of an essential extra, a sprig of borage. As for the addition of such things as decorative umbrellas - well, they really are beyond the Pale. I have never sampled a Pimms made with ginger ale, or anything else other than lemonade. At one time there were a number of other Pimms Cups available, Nos 2 & 3 for sure, perhaps more, with a different alcoholic bases to the No 1' gin, such as brandy, vodka etc., these may have called for other 'mixers', but they did not meet with any great popularity. Many a person (especially young girls) have been led astray by the seemingly innocuous Pimms which appears to the uninitiated to be no more than an innocuous and pleasant thirst quencher, but it is a quencher with a hidden punch. One of my greatest friends still bears the scars on his face that he obtained when he tried to climb a telegraph pole, (in his car), after I had mixed the Pimms for my sister's 21st birthday party. In Britain this is the time of year for Pimms. I remember, many moons ago, sitting in the shade at Wimbledon, enjoying a mug of Pimms, (which even then cost an arm and a leg). Strawberries are the slightly cheaper option. The character went out of the Pimms concern some thirty or more years ago, at which time the managing director was a retired Royal Marine officer. Being a good Marine he offered job vacancies at all levels to other retiring members of the Corps. Although this led to a very convivial and closely knit company character it unfortunately was not overall a good business model, and a sale of the company was forced. Schweppes (before its amalgamation with Cadburys) bought it up; within a remarkably short space of time there was but the one No 1 Cup left on the market, and very few R.M.s on the staff. India was always a good market for Pimms, I am pleased to see that it still is. Yours Aye Andrew Sellon The springs and the fountains are all dried up in this land, and the cattle are drinking ale and porter. Rev. Sydney Smith 1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's

From one of my correspondents..... Begin forwarded message: Date: 30 June 2008 6:18:13 PM To: John Feltham <wulguru.wantok@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Mr. Pun John, You know of my support for Gurkha ex-servicemen and their families. I can report that Mr Pun is well cared for and not all newspaper reports can be believed. Many people in this country are working very hard not just for the high profile cases (who often have greater resources and support than people are aware), but also for those who are struggling to be heard. Certain organisations based in Katmandu have their own agenda. One other point. We all have a particular affection, and a very high regard and respect, for all our Gurkha friends - many of them former colleagues. They are charismatic. By their very nature and history they attract attention in the media - as do holders of the VC. Many other ex-servicemen and women who served with the British also have needs and are desperate for help and support but their voice is seldom heard. In the context of the total picture (do we know what that is?) and available time and resources, there is a balance and it is not being achieved. Activists are shifting the emphasis too far in their own direction. Perhaps we could learn from them! But the main reason in writing is to say that I am told from very reliable sources that Mr Pun is well cared for. And so he should be. All the best, ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

Begin forwarded message: Very interesting reading from Sunday listening: Stand at East Posted: 28 Jun 2008 02:10 PM CDT Lord Salisbury once described India as 'a barracks in the Oriental seas from which we may draw any number of troops without paying for them.' Which army, over two million men strong, had not a single conscript? Which army bore the brunt of the Japanese attack on Burma and Malaya? Which army fought in North Africa and took part in the assault on Monte Cassino in Italy? The answer is the World War Two British Indian Army: a remarkable fighting force of men from almost every caste, creed and corner of India, serving under both British and Indian officers. It played a crucial but forgotten role in the allied victory. In June 2005, BBC Radio 4 ran a three-part series on the contribution of the British Indian Army during the Second World War, titled "Stand at East". It was hosted by the famous Indophile Sir Mark Tully, former BBC correspondent and author. It has three episodes of around 30 minutes duration each [in Real media streaming format] and provides some enriching and entertaining fare. In Part 1 [Listen to episode 1 here], Tully begins with the transformation of the Indian Army, changing horses for tanks, and small arms for artillery, into a force that became the world's largest volunteer army. In Part 2 [Listen to episode 2 here], survivors of the gruelling Burma campaign recall the horrors of battle and veterans of the Indian National Army reflect on the provocations which drove them into fighting against the British. In Part 3 [Listen to episode 3 here], veterans of what is called the forgotten army demand recognition for their achievement in inflicting the biggest defeat on land the Japanese ever suffered. Ever wondered why this nation, 60 years after independence, has not been able to produce a similar chronicle of independent India's military history. Can any of the readers send me links to similar accounts of 1971, Operation Vijay or Operation Meghdoot, let alone 1948, 1962, 1965 or Operation Blue Star?

G'day Ceridwen, On 30/06/2008, at 2:01 PM, Ceridwen Harris wrote: > Would you know if a fund has been set up to pay for Mr. Pun's expenses? Ceri Harris London, Ontario I don't know, but I will try to find out for you. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

Check Google, they have several items about the Operation Vijay, Operation Meghdoot and Operation Blue Star which maybe of interest for you. Joyce Munro -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of John Feltham Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Pragmatic Euphony Can any of the readers send me links to similar accounts of 1971, Operation Vijay or Operation Meghdoot, let alone 1948, 1962, 1965 or Operation Blue Star? _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 63 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rana_Chhina ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

G'day Chris, On 30/06/2008, at 1:59 AM, Chris Woods wrote: > That ignorant piece of work should be publically named and shamed. He was named, as was the Hospital. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

John Good, thanks Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" <wulguru.wantok@gmail.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Mr. Pun > G'day Chris, > > On 30/06/2008, at 1:59 AM, Chris Woods wrote: > > > That ignorant piece of work should be publically named and shamed. > > He was named, as was the Hospital. > > > ooroo > > If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. > > Anon. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 22/06/2008 07:52

G'day Saly, On 29/06/2008, at 11:16 AM, Karoo wrote: > Did this article appear in British newspapers - do you know? Yes, the London Daily Telegraph. << I am aware that ignorance of the law does not excuse but I think that some of us ex India and based in the UK (and cognisant of past actions taken by Gurkhas on the Burma front and elsewhere) may like to address a small email to Isleworth Hospital, Cardiology Department. >> Go for it. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

Hi John Would you know if a fund has been set up to pay for Mr. Pun's expenses? Ceri Harris London, Ontario At 07:53 PM 29/06/2008, you wrote: >G'day Chris, > >On 30/06/2008, at 1:59 AM, Chris Woods wrote: > > > That ignorant piece of work should be publically named and shamed. > >He was named, as was the Hospital. > > >ooroo > >If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. > >Anon. > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,40-1-3384-9,00.html ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.