Snipped from http://warrenbrown.tripod.com/derozio/id1.html *** Where would you find the greatest Anglo-Indian poet today? In the old burying ground of Calcutta, on the south side of Park Street, amid obelisks, pyramids, pillars and tombs of various forms, at the western extremity, "next to the monument of Major Maling on the south," lies the mortal remains of one of the highest gifted and most accomplished, Henry Louis Vivian Derozio, a poet, philosopher and thinker, who passed away at the age of 22. Derozio is an immortal Anglo-Indian poet, as we still talk about him, write about him and read his brilliant poems, 170 years after his death. All Anglo-Indians worldwide should read Derozio's poems, introduce them to their children, grand-children. *** --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Murphy" I wonder if Harshoo or any of our Indian subscribers can help with this. The word Sanis or Senis appears as an occupation description on the 1840 census of Serampore for two Hindu men listed with other servants associated with European households. I have not been able to find any likely definition in either Yule's dictionary (Hobson-Jobson) or Ivor Lewis's dictionary. Has anyone got any ideas? ------------------------------- Sylvia, for a second I thought you were referring to the family or surname ''Sainis'' (Su-ee-nees) that's found among us ''Mahrattas''. A variation of which is the surname Sabnis, which in turn may be a shortform of Hasabnis (another surname) -- which itself is a corruption of the term Hishebnis, which, in plain lingo, means an accountant. Men in this occupation from the old Mahratta rulers' days must have started using it as their family name. But you are seeking info on the occupation called Sanis or Senis. A Sani is a person who belongs to the ''Sani'' caste. As will be clear from the extract below, the Sanis are/were traditional malis (gardners/agriculturists/cultivators). Here you are: 1 Snipped from http://muzaffarnagar.nic.in/CHAPTER%20III.HTM [Muzaffarnagar is a fairly major city in the present-day state of Bihar.] *** OTHER HINDU CASTE *** Little need be said regarding the Bhangis, who at the last census numbered 27,279 persons. They are very numerous in all the districts of this division, but occupy a very low place in the social scale and are a purely menial caste. Occasionally they are found as agriculturists, but very seldom as regular tenants, their general work being day-labour in one form or another. They are closely followed in point of numbers by the Sanis, of whom there were 26,261 in this district in 1901. The Sanis are connected with the Malis, but in this district they have come under the influence of the Jaits and are regular cultivators rather than market-gardeners. They are far more numerous in Muzaffarnagar than in any other district of the provinces, although large numbers of them are found in Saharanpur and Bijnor. They occupy a prominent position in the first rank of cultivators, but, unlike their brethren in Saharanpur, hold very little land as proprietors. Nearly half of them are found in the Jansath tahsil, the remainder being chiefly confined to the north of the district. Nearly all the Sanis belong to the Bhagirathi subdivision of the caste. Their kinsmen, the Malis, numbered 6,078 persons, and are almost entirely confined to the Kairana tahsil. 2 More on them in this book_ The Castes and Tribes of H.E.H. the Nizam's Dominions [snippet view only] http://books.google.com/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&pg=PA94&lpg=PA94&dq=old+occupations+in+india+-+Sanis&source=web&ots=aCjkHd09NM&sig=f10SfvD1Hvpmd6fNjJPTHASq-Uk&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=16&ct=result#PPA94,M1 3 Also see - http://nhrc.nic.in/Documents/ReportonTrafficking.pdf Hope this helps. Cheers, --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

Begin forwarded message: Hi John, Just got this from a friend in Canada and thought it would be of great interest to your India-Raj readers - specially the 'Calwallas' both young and old!!! Needless to say it set the brain to work and the uncontrolled 'drooling'. Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:31 AM Subject: Nizam's, Calcutta Extract from Daily Telegraph by Nondon Bagchi - Calcutta 'foodie' June 3, 2008 Most people I know, and myself as well, have made uncountable number of visits and spent vast amounts of money at Nizam's restaurant, before ever going inside for a proper meal. So famous, and delicious, were their kathi rolls (which they invented), that people hardly thought about anything else and, night-time clientele particularly, would drive up, order large amounts of these sublime goodies, and eat in their cars, or take them away. Nizam's was set up in 1932 by Raza Hassan Saheb, he named the place After his only son. At that time, only three kinds of kebabs were on offer - mutton, beef and khiri (cow udders), grilled on iron skewers over an open sigree. A story goes that one day a customer, a foreigner, was in a big hurry and he asked for something light and dry and minimally spicy, which he could take away quickly. He did not want mutton or beef, so small bits of chicken were removed from the day's curry, the bones were removed, the gravy was shaken off, the pieces were wrapped in a paratha and handed over. Thus was born the Nizam's kebab roll. The idea was applied to the other kebabs being made there and soon mutton, beef and khiri rolls became the order of the day. In 1964, chicken rolls were added and the use of iron skewers was discontinued. Bamboo sticks took their place and this gave birth to the term kathi ('stick') roll. For decades, Nizam's had a monopoly over this item, and although other establishments copied the idea, the Nizam's roll was considered the genuine article and with about a dozen cinema halls and theatres in the locality, they did brisk business before, during the intermission, and after the night show. The first time I actually went inside Nizam's and had a meal was a good four or five years after I started enjoying their kathi rolls. I was with a friend who frequented the place and he said, 'Check this out,' as he ordered only potatoes and gravy from their beef curry, and parathas. 'See how the potatoes have absorbed the gravy, as if by osmosis,' he said, and it was true; the reddish-brown gravy was visible inside the large half potatoes. Soft as butter, and with crispy, golden-brown parathas, they went down easily. The other day I was in the Hogg Market area and, on an impulse, I entered this old haunt for a quick lunch. I used the entrance from the lane where Society cinema hall is, and my heart sank when I saw the sign 'No Beef'. Anyway, I had Mutton Rezala, tandoori rotis and salad, which was quite good, and I related the incident to a friend, with a tone of lament. 'Knucklehead!' he said, 'Just last week they reopened their Mughal Gardens wing, opposite Chaplin cinema hall, all newly done up, and you get at least a dozen beef items there, including all the old favourites.' 'You mean khiri rolls, Beef Curry and Beef Bhuna?' I said. 'Sure, and a whole lot of other stuff as well.' Naturally, I went back. I knew there had been a closure, but had not kept in touch with things, and I found out that this particular Mughal Gardens wing, which used to be their 'Family' section, had reopened after 15 years, and had reintroduced all the beef items which had been stopped for some time. And just as recently as May 16. Welcome news for Nizam's fans. 'Does that mean you can just drive up after a movie (they are showing Indiana Jones at Elite Cinema) and get khiri and kathi rolls just like the old days?' Of course you can. A neatly laid out 50-seater with a mezzanine which they intend to have air-conditioned quite soon, Nizam's Mughal Gardens has a compact menu which has all the items available in the other sections, plus as many as 18 beef items, from rolls to kebabs to chaap, biryani, curries, kasha and even beef stew. And the prices are very reasonable. The only place in the city where you get all these things in comfortable surroundings, under one roof. For samplers: chaap and bhuna for Rs 20, biryani for Rs 30, khiri rolls for Rs 16 and the good old kathi rolls for Rs 14. Nizam's has grand plans for the future, planning as many as 19 outlets across the city in the next eight-nine months. But if, you like Calcutta beef (recognised as among the world's best), you have to visit Mughal Gardens. ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

I wonder if Harshoo or any of our Indian subscribers can help with this. The word Sanis or Senis appears as an occupation description on the 1840 census of Serampore for two Hindu men listed with other servants associated with European households. I have not been able to find any likely definition in either Yule's dictionary (Hobson-Jobson) or Ivor Lewis's dictionary. Has anyone got any ideas? Sylvia

>From Sea and Inland Navigation http://www.indianscience.org/essays/seaandinlandnavigation-EdtedbyPankaj-edit.shtml --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India *** Parsi Ship Owners of Sail Days *** Before the steamship, there were a large number of difficulties in Indian shipping; still there were several Indian merchants, chiefly among the Parsis of Mumbai, who had ventured into the shipping business. According to W.H. Coates, the Parsis started shipping in 1735 and the period comprising the early part of the 18th and the middle of the 19th century practically constituted their era and the halcyon days of their business trading. Framjee Cowasjee Banajee (1802), a great name among the ship owners attained "Sullimany" and from that time onwards the Parsis began to take great interest in the Indo-Chinese trade in cotton and opium as profits were massive and big fortunes were made. Sir Jamsetjee Jeejeebhoy (1783-1859) had a substantial fleet of cargo boats to carry the merchandise in which he had an extensive business with the Far East, Egypt and the United Kingdom. The China War in 1840 and the failure of the Bombay Back Bay Scheme struck at the heart of Parsi ventures as many well-known Parsi ship owners had a monetary stake in this scheme. This was a great blow to the Parsi ship owners. Besides, these Parsi merchants were noted for their shipping activities. There were some Hindu merchants also who were renowned in the field of shipping. According to K.B. Vaidya, Motichand Amichand of Cambay who later established himself in Mumbai, owned a fleet of about 50 ships, each with a capacity of 600 to 1,000 tonne. He traded with many countries such as Burma, Java, Sumatra and China in the east and Europe, Arabia, Persia, Zanzibar, Mozambique and Madagascar in the west. During those sailing days India came into direct contact with the New World whose courageous sailors were already making a name for themselves on the high seas. Due to the efforts of innovative American ship owners, there started a flourishing commerce between India and America in the eighth decade of the 18th century. American traders made their residence at Calcutta and started direct communication with Indian merchants. Ramdeolal Dey who was a Calcutta merchant appeared to have been very popular among the Americans, who presented him with a life-size sketch of President George Washington. [Snip]

Snippet view only, I'm afraid. The Bombay Country Ships, 1790-1833 By Anne Bulley Published 2000 Routledge 288 pages ISBN:0700712364 [Barnes&Noble.com - $170.00] Concentrates on the period 1790-1833, especially the early nineteenth century when the Bombay merchant fleet was at its zenith, studying the ships, their trade and the men who owned or sailed in them. The picture is built up from a mass of details and references unearthed in the English East India Company's records and elsewhere, and includes contemporary experiences of sailing in these ships. http://books.google.com/ --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

Book - Opium City -- The Making of Early Victorian Bombay By Amar Farooqui Amar Farooqui is Reader in History, University of Delhi. He is the author of 'Smuggling as Subversion: Colonialism, Indian Merchants and the Politics of Opium'. It was primarily opium that linked Bombay to the international capitalist economy and the western Indian hinterland in the nineteenth century. The essays in this book explore the linkages between the opium enterprise of western India and the creation of early Victorian Bombay. They dwell on some of the prominent features of urban development which reflect the relationship of collaboration and conflict between the capitalist class of the city and British colonial rule. They show opium as the crucial factor in the emergence of Bombay as a metropolis. First Edition December 2005 Hardcover, xiv + 114 pages ISBN: 81-88789-32-1 Rs 350 / $25.00 Paperback ISBN: 81-88789-42-9 Rs 150 / $10.00 REVIEW in 'Mid-Day' MUMBAI'S OPIUM PAST by Mahmood Farooqui December 23, 2005 It sometimes appears, from the nature of current historical debates, as if the British empire in India was purely an orientalising mission whose discourses generated a politics of identity but that it was little more than an ideological apparatus that hegemonised us. It is difficult therefore to connect back to the earliest nationalists who decried the drain of wealth from India, who lamented India's deindustrialisation and the economic exploitation of our people by foreign occupiers. It is easy, in the miasma of post-colonialisms emanating from American universities, to forget that the Empire came into being and remained in force as an economic entity, that it was instituted by traders, that there was also something called economic imperialism. Amar Farooqui's Opium City - The Making of Colonial Bombay is welcome because it reorients us to the fundamentals of how and why we were colonised by the East India Company. It is a new title by the Three Essays Press, a Delhi-based outfit, which has been publishing tracts in the form, as its name implies, of three essays in slim volumes by renowned and radical academics in a style and on subjects that are of general interest. Opium City, like everything else published by it - ranging from Hindi film music to the search for an Indian enlightenment - breaks new ground at the same time as reorienting the debate into a radical yet suitably indigenous direction. In our school histories we have read about the opium triangle, the unholy trade nexus established by the East India Company, wherein it forced Indian peasants to grow opium, under its own monopoly and control, smuggled it to China and sold it in return for Chinese tea and repatriated profits back home. They addicted entire generations of Chinese to opium because it was the only way to solve the balance of payments problem. This opium trade, once the commonest polemic against Empire, has today virtually passed into oblivion. Amar Farooqui's book returns it centre stage at the same time as showing us how important the opium trade was for the businessmen of western India, particularly Mumbai, and how significant a role it played in generating the capital that later on built Mumbai. The peculiar nature of Britian's piecemeal conquest of India meant that they could control the monopoly of opium growth, sales and import far better in Bengal and Bihar than in western India. Since large chunks of territory in western India was not directly under British rule until the 1850s, Portugese Daman to the north of Mumbai and Goa to the south, numerous indigenously ruled states in western India and Sind were out of bounds for opium merchants in British territories. Merchants could, therefore, only access opium grown in Malwa by smuggling it via Pali in Rajasthan, to Jaisalmer and then to Karachi and from Karachi by sea to Daman. By the 1820s a large number of Parsis, Marwaris, Gujarati Banias and Konkani Muslims had moved into the opium trade at Mumbai. Of the 42 foreign firms operating in China at the end of the 1830s, 20 were fully owned by Parsis. Indigenous shipping and opium trade too were closely interlinked. For two decades the figure who dominated the opium trade at Bombay was Jamsetjee Jejeebhoy (1783-1859). He was the first Indian to be knighted (1842), the first to win a baronetcy (1857) who partnered Jardine and Matheson, the largest opium trading network in China. Apart from owning ships, agents and commercial clearing houses, he was also one of the six directors of the Bank of Bombay. It was the capital accumulation of these years that allowed these same people to later on lay the foundations of an industrial Bombay and build the grand public buildings that survive in south Bombay. >From being an obscure port which could not even generate its own revenues, Bombay's transformation into one of the leading cities of the Empire occurred fairly rapidly within the space of about half a century, between the 1790s and 1840s. The share of Bombay in 1820-40 for bullion inflow, especially for opium, was much larger than Calcutta's. During this period, the Malwa opium was worth Rs 15-20 million annually to India and unlike Bengali opium, which directly benefited the colonial state, earnings from Malwa opium largely represented private, mainly indigenous profits, giving it a great multiplier effect. This effect was evident in the geographical make up of the city. It was the Parsis, many of them beneficiaries of opium's huge profits, who developed South Bombay. The bungalows of Malabar and Cumbala Hills, of Breach Candy and Walkeshwar were mostly Parsi-owned and unexceptionally lent out to Europeans. But in the 1830s and 40s' they also owned and developed many of Bombay's quintessential suburbs. Cursetji Manockji owned Anik, Dhakji Dadaji owned Varasavy (present day Versova), Framji Cowasji (Poway estate), Jamestji Bomanji (Vila Parla, Juhu); Cursetji Cowasji (Goregaum); Ratanji Edulji (Gatkopar); Krushnarao Raghunath (Borvday); and Laxman Hurrichanderji (Chincholi). Opium City, a distillation of the same writer's bigger treatise 'Smuggling as Subversion-Colonialism, Indian Merchants and the Politics of Opium,' (Lexington, 2005) also shows how this opium trade caused no pangs of conscience among community leaders in Bombay, who engaged in numerous moral crusades on other issues while simultaneously shipping the drug to China. We know that the Indian nationalists too in the last quarter of the 19th century showed no inclination to oppose the opium trade, actually extending tacit support to it. These businessmen, remembered as great public figures by us, would not countenance paying taxes to improve the city's water supply (in the 1850s) while ratifying stringent provisions, like some of our present day politicos, for sending aliens off the island-particularly those who live "idle without work". The biggest merit of the book, however, is to show us how it was "the poppy fields of Bihar that built Bombay". Biharis and Karachiites, therefore, have more than a natural right to live in Bombay. http://www.threeessays.com/titles.php?id=20 --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India

----- Original Message ----- From: "Sy Morse-Brown" <symb@mac.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> >>>>> surrounded on a hillock. The Afghans attempted to persuade the >>> soldiers >>> that they intended them no harm. Then the sniping began followed a >>> series of rushes. Captain Souter, (a gr gr grandfather of mine), >>> wrapped >>> the colours of the regiment around his body and was dragged into >>> captivity with two or three soldiers. I am glad we don't have the rest of the story although - Kipling knew. Sally

Many thanks John. You have come through - as expected ! Wishes Sally ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Sellon" <andrew@sellon.vispa.com> > John Feltham wrote: >> G'day Sally,>> >> You can go to>> >> www.britishbattles.com >> > A great and informative site, on which I see the that the 44th Regiment > ..... >

Sorry to bang the drum yet again for FIBIS website but if you go to: http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Category:Battles you will find not only the links to britishbattles.com but also contemporary accounts of the actions in the Afghan and other wars which are fascinating. We have entered details for A-J so far with many more to come. Regards Sy On Jul 20, 2008, at 1:44, John Feltham wrote: > G'day Sally, > > You can go to > > www.britishbattles.com > > and select which ever battle that you want for Afghanistan. >

Glad that you enjoyed it! I would be happy to go back just for another visit to Serampore - it is a lovely place. Sylvia > -----Original Message----- > From: india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:india-british-raj-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karoo > Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:43 PM > To: india-british-raj@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Serampore again > > Sylvia > > Thanks to you, I have spent a thoroughly pleasant evening > enjoying the beautifully presented slide show of Serampore. > One can't help but be impressed by the mood of calmness so > familiar in memory, which prevails and the Hoogly looks > ..... beautiful ! Oh - I wish I could be a part of those scenes ! > > Many thanks for sharing. > > Wishes > Sally Stewart > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sylvia Murphy" <sylcec@ihug.com.au> > To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> > > > >I have just been sent a link to a new and very beautiful website with > > pictures and slide shows of Serampore which focusses on the > historical > > places of the Baptist Mission there and also the Baptist > mission chapels > > in > > Calcutta. > > <http://www.virtualserampore.org/> http://www.virtualserampore.org/ > > > > <mailto:india@rootsweb.com> > > Sylvia > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message >

Hi, I have added a "Lost Treasures" page to my website, which lists items that once took pride of place within the Armenian Churches in India. No doubt there are more lost items that are not listed, so if any of you have knowledge of further lost treasures I would very much like to know so that I can add them on the list. It's quite a long url, so you might like to copy and paste it into your web browser. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chaterfamilytree/lost_trea sures.htm Alternatively if that doesn't work, go to my website www.chater-genealogy.com then click on Armenian Colonies and Churches (which is on the left side bar) then click Lost Treasures on the top bar. Best wishes Liz Researching Chater or Armenians in India and Hong Kong in 2008? Please go to <http://www.chater-genealogy.com/> www.chater-genealogy.com.

G'day Sally, You can go to www.britishbattles.com and select which ever battle that you want for Afghanistan. There are four mentioned under the First Afghan War. www.britishbattles.com/first-afghan-war/kabul-gandamak.htm This URL was missing ".htm" at the end. > www.britishbattles.com/first-afghan-war/kabul-gandamak ooroo If you don't hear the knock of opportunity - build a door. Anon.

John Feltham wrote: > G'day Sally, > > You can go to > > www.britishbattles.com > A great and informative site, on which I see the that the 44th Regiment of Foot, decimated at Gandamak, is said to have been the 'most massacred regiment' in the British Army, having also been annihilated at the battle of Prestonpans on 21st September 1745 and on 9th July 1755, at Monangahela River, Pennsylvania. Such carelessness might have had Lady Bracknell demanding an explanation. Yours Aye Andrew Sellon How do you titillate an ocelot? You oscillate its tits a lot. NOT by Rev. Sydney Smith 1771-1854, Canon of St. Paul's; said to be G. Bush Snr's favourite joke.

Having been brought up in 'that' society I couldn't agree more. Molly Sarstedt-Hamilton, Townsville, Australia Researching - Sarstedt/Hitchcock/Osborne/Cullen/Pringle/Vargas/Hamilton/Slark/Samworth/Fury/Short/Lawcock/Smith Beautiful autumn weather at present ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Hadley" <lynnehadley1@bigpond.com> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Adopting to the Indian life-styles andhabits > I'm quite enjoying this one, guys!! :)) And now for my two shekel's > worth.....:)) At first it was far easier for British men to integrate > into > Indian society, but when Protestantism became the rule of the day in > England, any intermarriage between Protestants and Catholics was frowned > upon, to the degree that a priest was charged with treason for marrying a > British soldier to an Eurasian lady of Portuguese descent. Once British > women began to arrive in India in numbers, this bigotry was extended even > further (what British woman of the day wished to be sent home husbandless > and dubbed a "returned empty"?!!) towards those who married Indian women, > although this had already begun to take root. > > As to the social snobbery: let's face it....for the most part the Brits > who > went to India were on the lowest rungs of the social ladder in England, so > there can be very little doubt that when they got to India where they were > the ruling class and had servants at their beck and call, it completely > went > to their heads. They must have thought they'd died and gone to Heaven, > having somebody to look down upon for a change, instead of bearing the > brunt > of snobbery back home. > > As to Asian people in general (and AI's in particular) not integrating: > we > are a pretty multicultural mob here in Australia. I'm largely of > Scottish/Irish descent, and grew up with all the old sayings, songs, > poetry, > &ca., which had trickled down through the generations from Scotland and > Ireland. My mum was, and I am, very proud of her ancestry, and we wore > kilts as children on a regular basis. In my humble experiencem, it's not > non-European groups who are the most die-hard when it comes to > integrating......it's people from Britain, including my own erstwhile > outlaws. > > I've absolutely no objection to immigrants wearing their national dress, > if > that's what they feel most comfortable with, and it also lends this lump > of > rock I'm living on a cosmopolitan atmosphere that is very nice to live in. > As to AI's in Oz...........yes, they do integrate very well for the most > part, but I hope and pray that they will never lose touch with their > culture, but celebrate it the way so many other immigrants here still do. > As Eric Stracey once said to me: "I don't think of myself as being an AI > or > Australian......I consider myself to be a citizen of the world. But when > I'm with other AI's, I feel far more AI". I guess, guys, that this is the > sense of community which is said to have been lost? Which, if that were > the > case, begs the questions: "Why all the reunions, dances, associations, if > the AI community is lost or in danger of being lost? Why bother?" The > answer's simple......it's not lost, and I doubt that it will ever go, > because your children have grown up, or are growing up, in a distinctly AI > atmosphere. What makes any of us think, that they won't carry on these > little family.....and community....traditions? Cheers, guys. Lynne. :)) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Hughes" <denise_hughes@terra.es> > To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 2:24 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Adopting to the Indian life-styles > andhabits > > >> Dear Hazel >> >> I'd like to put my oar in here (univited but never mind). The only >> thing I can read into Arvind's message is that the Brits in India were >> rather silly not to have adopted the Indian way of living, given the >> climate. >> >> Perhaps quite a few of our ancestors would have lived a great deal >> more comfortably if they had stopped wearing stiff collars and ties, >> or petticoats and high necked dresses. >> >> If Ghee was more healthy than butter in pre-refrigerator days in the >> Indian climate, why was it not used? >> >> As to sitting on the ground, wearing tight trousers or lots of skirt >> and petticoat it is not exactly easy to sit cross legged. >> >> I do not see this message as an insult, only a well thought out >> commentary. >> >> Best wishes >> Denise Hughes Weston >> Researching in >> India: CHAMARETTE, WESTON, ASH, COMBES, THOMPSON, JOHANNES (OR >> JOHANESS) & MOORE >> U.K.: HUGHES & NORRIS, BOYTON & KING, WESTON & SHORTER >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.10/1551 - Release Date: >> 7/14/2008 >> 6:49 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While growing up in India - not everyone could afford to rent a house or flat. In many cases finances could only afford to rent a single room in which case the entire family lived in the 'one room' whether on the ground flooor or the upper floors hence the description of 'Pucka Upper Roomed Building'. 'Pucka' probably did mean a brick building rather than a 'kucha' (which also means raw or rough). Molly Sarstedt-Hamilton, Townsville, Australia Researching - Sarstedt/Hitchcock/Osborne/Cullen/Pringle/Vargas/Hamilton/Slark/Samworth/Fury/Short/Lawcock/Smith Beautiful autumn weather at present

Now ghee .... that's another subject and I absolutely agree with you, ghee on hot toast!!!! The gheewalla called regularly and my mother had huge jars which were filled to the brim, what a wonderful thought!!! The smell, the taste nothing to equal it yet and probably my reason for my high cholesterol problem - have to blame it on something eh??? Molly Sarstedt-Hamilton, Townsville, Australia

Of course! It proves that I really am dumb. I was completely blanked out on this one. Thank you so much. -- Harshawardhan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Moira Breen" On 3 September 1939, Britain declared war on Germany and this was the beginning of WW2. Britain assumed that India was also at war with Germany while Indians in India would have liked to be in control of their own destiny. >I don't precisely understand the significance of the date in the >following information: The Indian Army on 3 September 1939. >http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?

Sylvia Thanks to you, I have spent a thoroughly pleasant evening enjoying the beautifully presented slide show of Serampore. One can't help but be impressed by the mood of calmness so familiar in memory, which prevails and the Hoogly looks ..... beautiful ! Oh - I wish I could be a part of those scenes ! Many thanks for sharing. Wishes Sally Stewart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Murphy" <sylcec@ihug.com.au> To: <india-british-raj@rootsweb.com> >I have just been sent a link to a new and very beautiful website with > pictures and slide shows of Serampore which focusses on the historical > places of the Baptist Mission there and also the Baptist mission chapels > in > Calcutta. > <http://www.virtualserampore.org/> http://www.virtualserampore.org/ > > <mailto:india@rootsweb.com> > Sylvia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This looks like a great site, something about which Mandeep can tell us more. http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php ''Dedicated to the preservation of military history''. I don't precisely understand the significance of the date in the following information: The Indian Army on 3 September 1939. http://www.patriotfiles.com/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=6698&allpages=1&theme=Printer --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Nagpur, India