G'day Neville, See... http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2192058 If you go to Google and enter this into Google then choose MAPS...you will find the location of the centary that Pring is buried in, in Calcutta. Debendra Lal khan Rd, Bhawanipur, Kolkata, West Bengal, India ooroo

Sunday, April 18, 2010 1857 and all that Why would a book on a historical figure – a national hero in the Sepoy Mutiny or the first war of independence – not have a single photo of the man, except for a grainy sketch on the cover? "Because not a single photograph of Tatya Tope is available anywhere. The sketch is an artist's imagination and the only photograph taken by the British in April 1859 can't be real because Tatya had died in January 1859, three months before," says Parag Tope, who is descended from the freedom-fighter. Parag's "Operation Red Lotus: Tatya and the Anglo-Indian war of 1857" has just been published. He is not a historian and does not claim to be one, but he believes Indian history is too serious a matter to be left to the British... This book, which was researched and put together by a bunch of professionals, none of whom is a historian, raises interesting questions about history writing. History is often written by victors and read by the vanquished, says Parag, but this account tries to prove that 1857 was not a sepoy mutiny but a well-planned war for independence. snipped from: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/5826986.cms --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

G'day Sujata, I now have some more information, including a photo of his grave. As The Raj List doesn't allow attachments I will send it separately to you. If anyone else would like a copy please contact me off List. ooroo G'day John: Your correspondent who was interested in Fg Off Pring may be interested in the attached pictures. The one of Fg Off Pring's grave, at the War Cemetery in Kolkata (formerly Calcutta) was taken by Air Marshal Mike McMahon (who is a member of the iafhistory mailing list and who, despite the Scots / Irish-sounding name, is very much an Indian). The one of the recruiting poster is taken from the back cover of the book, The Eagle Strikes, by Sqn Ldr Rana Chhina, who is also a member of the same list. The Singh in the bottom half of the poster is later-Air Vice-Marshal Harjinder Singh, who was the first Tech branch officer in the Indian Air Force.

I am replying to the List because your request has evoked a memory of a fellow member with whom I was once in touch. I'm afraid her name escapes me - not an unusual event these days ! She is cousin to the Skinner family who continue via Jimmy Skinner, I believe, to reside at Sakunder Hall ..... walking distance as I recall, from St. Georges. She had sent me photographs of the region. I was so very sorry to see the neglected condition of what had been a 'fairyland' swimming pool built by the Skinner family of yore and used by the boys at St. Georges. I was there a very long time ago. Anyway - if my 'name forgotten' correspondent will forgive me and write again, perhaps she can be persuaded to help you and by the way - could you let me have the site for the school annual - please ? Kind regards Sally Stewart Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Saint Georges/ St Fidelis College, Mussoorie - Request for informationr List   Some members of this list are connected to Saint George's/St Fidelis' College, Mussoorie - India.   The alumni are bringing out a newsletter that deals specifically on Whtebank's Castle in Barlowganj. If anyone of you can provide some history on Whyte Castle it would be helpful. If any of you possess some old photographs of Whytbank Castle it will help as well.   Please contact me directly off list so that we do not clog this platform with information, not required by others on this list.   Regards   Richard Rozario ( from some lovely weather in toronto) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Sujata, > My question after so many: does anyone know whether Flight Sergeant Pring > was Anglo-Indian? > I would like to mention the event in my novel! > Sujata Some further information has come to hand. See... http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/34/a2780534.shtml

Sunday, April 18, 2010 A sepia treasure trove History in the Making: The Visual Archives of Kulwant Roy By Aditya Arya and Indivar Kamtekar. HarperCollins. Pages 304. Rs 4,999. THE black and white of history, a rare clarity that we get with the perspective of distance in time, a feeling of connection with our past, and the nostalgia that it evokes. This book brings many emotions to the fore as you leaf through pages rich with images of an important moment in India's history. Kulwant Roy owned a studio near Delhi's Mori Gate, and both captured decisive moments in the early history of the Indian nation. Roy was born in Bagli Kalan, near Ludhiana, in 1914. He learnt his craft in Lahore, and later took aerial photographs in the Royal Indian Air Force. The Tribune, then published in Lahore, gave him an early break. [snip] Full Review at: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100418/spectrum/book1.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Mahatma Gandhi's famous Dandi March (anti-salt tax protest) and the Beginnings of Freedom Ninety-five-year- old R.Madhavan, a Salt Satyagrahi (Gandhian protestor) from Kerala, recalls those days, 80 years ago. Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 http://www.hindu.com/mag/2010/04/18/stories/2010041850120400.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Sunday, Apr 18, 2010 In India for the launch of the second book in the Empire of the Moghul series, author Diana Preston - one half of Alex Rutherford- holds forth on psuedonyms, India and the perils of research trips. An excerpt from a story in today's Hindu: Interest in history and India *** Always been interested; after all history tells you why we are where we are. We've been coming to India for quite some time now. It was the first place we visited after we got married. And of course we went to the Taj and we got interested in why the Taj gets under your skin. We thought of telling the story of the Taj and while researching for that we got interested in the period. We were also working on a book on Dampier, the English pirate, and read his notes of 17th century India. And in the process we got drawn to Central Asia and Persia and our research led us to the Baburnama, which fired our imagination. It's rather Shakespearean, isn't it: revenge tragedy, love, passion, war. So we decided to tell their stories. But there were gaps in the accounts so we decided to fictionalise it. *** http://www.hindu.com/mag/2010/04/18/stories/2010041850040200.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

G'day Francis, On 17/04/2010, at 9:19 PM, frances ross wrote: > I have found this information for John Bullock > 25 Feb 1805 died unmarried at Sasni, U.P.' > Does anyone know what U.P. stands for? Formally United Provinces - Uttar Pradesh. See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttar_Pradesh ooroo

United Provinces, roughly comprising Uttar Pradesh, Bihar and some other regions of norh India. On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, frances ross <[email protected]>wrote: > I have found this information for John Bullock > > '25 Feb 1805 died unmarried at Sasni, U.P.' > > Does anyone know what U.P. stands for? > > Thanks > > Frances, Scotland > > [email protected] > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List   Some members of this list are connected to Saint George's/St Fidelis' College, Mussoorie - India.   The alumni are bringing out a newsletter that deals specifically on Whtebank's Castle in Barlowganj. If anyone of you can provide some history on Whyte Castle it would be helpful. If any of you possess some old photographs of Whytbank Castle it will help as well.   Please contact me directly off list so that we do not clog this platform with information, not required by others on this list.   Regards   Richard Rozario ( from some lovely weather in toronto)

I have found this information for John Bullock '25 Feb 1805 died unmarried at Sasni, U.P.' Does anyone know what U.P. stands for? Thanks Frances, Scotland [email protected]

On 16 April 2010 22:34, loretta edwards <[email protected]> wrote: > Is there anywhere I can get any information on Train drivers from the > period > 1920 - 1940? I am trying to trace a man named Bazil Hugh Muir. I believe he > lived at Bhusaval. Thanks > I do not know where to look for records but the Railway is possibly the > Great Indian Peninsula(?r) Railway >

Fri, Apr 16 2010 The romance of Gauhar Jaan India's first recording artiste was talented, flamboyant and unlucky in love Full story with images at: http://www.livemint.com/2010/04/16195831/The-romance-of-Gauhar-Jaan.html?h=B In December of 1911, at the famous Delhi Durbar, Emperor George V was crowned the paramount power of British India in the presence of Indian princes and aristocrats. While the announcement by the emperor that the capital of his Indian territories would be shifted to Delhi from Calcutta might have cast a pall of gloom in "the second city of the empire", the durbar itself brought unprecedented glory to one Calcuttan -the legendary Hindustani vocalist Miss Gauhar Jaan. At that glittering ceremony, in the presence of the emperor and his queen and all of India's royalty, Gauhar Jaan, along with her contemporary Janki Bai, were bestowed the rare privilege of presenting a song specially composed for the occasion ''Yeh jalsa taajposhi ka mubarak ho mubarak ho!'' [Greetings on the occasion of this Crowning Ceremony.] They were escorted to the emperor after the concert and he praised them profusely for their talent and presented them with a hundred guineas as a token of his appreciation. Such was the fame of the first Indian and woman to record on the gramophone, Gauhar Jaan. Born Eileen Angelina Yeoward in Azamgarh, in what was then the United Provinces, in 1873, Gauhar was a woman of exceptional beauty, talent and grace. She seemed to symbolize the secular ethos that Indian classical music is known for-her grandmother was Hindu, grandfather British and father Armenian Christian. Gauhar embraced Islam and remained a devout Muslim all her life, though most of her compositions are replete with Krishna bhakti [love for Lord Krishna]. [snip] --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Is there anywhere I can get any information on Train drivers from the period 1920 - 1940? I am trying to trace a man named Bazil Hugh Muir. I believe he lived at Bhusaval. Thanks

Old Dorothy Clutterbuck (1880-1951) Dorothy Clutterbuck is perhaps the most elusive and secretive of the witches to have figured in the rise of the modern era of witchcraft. She is also perhaps the most intriguing. Old Dorothy as she was affectionately known, was the witch who initiated Gerald B. Gardner into the Old Religion during September 1939. So little was known about Old Dorothy that for many years skeptics and historians had believed that Gardner, through a figment of his imagination had invented her solely to justify his belief that there was still in existence practicing witches of the Old Religion. In 1980 Doreen Valiente a great friend and colleague of Gardner's, set out to disprove these allegations. After two years of research she succeeded, and was able to prove through birth and death records that Old Dorothy was indeed a real person. Through ecclesiastical records held at India House, London, Doreen was able to establish Dorothy's parents, and to find a record of Dorothy's birth. It began in India were one Capt. Thomas St Quintin Clutterbuck, aged 38, was married to Ellen Anne Morgan, aged 20, at Lahore, India, in 1877. Three years later they had a child and Dorothy was born, in India, in Bengal on the 19th January 1880. She was later baptized in the church of St Paul's, Umbala, on the 21st February 1880. Her father must have been a man of means to hold a commission in the Colonial Forces, most officers of that time where. At the time of Dorothy's birth he was still a Captain, and serving with the 14th Sikhs Regiment, Indian Local Forces. Later that same year he was promoted to Major and from Dorothy's death certificate, we know he reached the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. >From this we can surmise that Dorothy was brought up with all the privileges and prestige that go along with wealth and position. Nothing further is known of Dorothy until 1933. [snip] http://www.controverscial.com/Old%20Dorothy%20Clutterbuck.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

G'day Neville, I have been thinking about your question all day and then I realised that Flying Officer Pring, was discussed at some length some time ago n this list. See... http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2192058 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2192058 and use Google for this search... http://www.google.com/search?q=calcutta++Pring++beaufighter&hl=en&start=0&sa=N There are many entries. ooroo

Pring brought down three Japanese aircraft. He was himself brought down not long after. He was greatly admired in Calcutta where I believe he was stationed. I believe I can remember watching the dog fights over Calcutta. I used to have a photograph of him now lost ! Try Google. Sally > Hi > On the subject of RIAF do you know of or remember the Pilot named "Pring" > reputed to have shot down a Jap Fighter Bomber over Chittagong and Calcutta > I'm not sure. > Would be interested in his story. > > Neville

G'day Neville, I have passed you query on to people that I know in India. I'll let you know if there is a response. ooroo On 15/04/2010, at 3:51 AM, NEVILLE WILSON DE ROZE wrote: Hi On the subject of RIAF do you know of or remember the Pilot named "Pring" reputed to have shot down a Jap Fighter Bomber over Chittagong and Calcutta I'm not sure. Would be interested in his story. Neville ________________________________ From: ron howe <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 7 March, 2010 2:23:32 Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Wing Commander Bob Doe: wartime fighter ace | Times Online Obituary On 6 March 2010 22:26, John Feltham <[email protected]> wrote: > G'day Ron, > > On 06/03/2010, at 11:35 AM, ron howe wrote: > > > > Thanks for that little story Ron. > > How did you come to be in the RIAF? > > Did you know Micky Blake he was flying Hurricanes in Burma. He said that he > too knew Bob Doe. > > Micky is an old boy of my school in India. He lives in Mt Kurangai ? to the > north of Sydney. > > > ooroo > > > > > born ,bred in india could not get into RAF as aircrew. My mother's people > were th ere for a couple of hundred years > I did not know Micky but have read of him ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1258998 Flight Sergeant Arthur Maurice Owers Pring of 176 Squadron RAF was awarded the Distinguished Flying Medal in 1943 for the destruction of 3 Japanese aircraft in 4 minutes. David -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart Sent: 15 April 2010 14:24 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Wing Commander Bob Doe: wartime fighterace | Times Online Obituary Pring brought down three Japanese aircraft. He was himself brought down not long after. He was greatly admired in Calcutta where I believe he was stationed. I believe I can remember watching the dog fights over Calcutta. I used to have a photograph of him now lost ! Try Google. Sally > Hi > On the subject of RIAF do you know of or remember the Pilot named "Pring" > reputed to have shot down a Jap Fighter Bomber over Chittagong and Calcutta > I'm not sure. > Would be interested in his story. > > Neville ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message