----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty" Gosh, lucky boy, all *we* had was notebooks in our days :-) On 1 May 2010 12:06, Michael Ali wrote: > The English service of Radio Ceylon was very, very popular with the > Anglo-Indian and Goan communities in Karachi. In fact, those of us who had tape recorders ( usually Grundig spool-type) waited with baited breath for any Jim Reeves song to come on air to press the 'Record' button. ================ I think first an apology is called for to those who are not interested in this particular thread. But if they have never ever heard Radio Ceylon/SLBC, they wouldn't understand this nostalgia. The majority of RC's English Service listenership consisted of Anglo -Indians and Goans mainly from Bombay, Madras, and other places in south India. Vernon Corea who joined Radio Ceylon in 1957 was its most famous broadcaster. There are many webpages remembering him. See this -Vernon Corea - The Golden Voice of Radio Ceylon http://members.tripod.com/ivan_corea/id8.html The same page also shows Ameen Sayani's photo (see yesterday's mail). And then there this = Wartime Radio in Ceylon Lord Louis Mountbatten moved the RADIO SEAC operations from New Delhi first to Kandy and then to Colombo during World War II. This was Ceylon's first ever wartime radio station and it played a vital role from 1944 - 1946. Some other interesting pages on Radio Ceylon's history: http://www.planetradiocity.com/musicopedia/music_decade.php?conid=2337 http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=274538565077 http://ivan_corea.tripod.com/ Welcome to Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation http://www.slbc.lk/ --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Waiting to hear someone mention 'Happy Go Lucky Greg'! He was our favourite anouncer in the 50's. I met him briefly in Poona, towards the end of the 50s, and he hinted that he had made a quick exit out of Ceylon, for political reasons! Can anyone throw some light on this? Rosemary (in sunny Spain) _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

While in Malaya we listened to, I think, the Ceylon Radio and the only thing that I do recollect was the joke saying "H.Samuel Never Right Watch" as this was a persistamt advert...But I am old now and not to sure about anything....{;}}> Cheers Peter Rogers Suffolk UK

Dear Listers, The English service of Radio Ceylon was very, very popular with the Anglo-Indian and Goan communities in Karachi. In fact, those of us who had tape recorders ( usually Grundig spool-type) waited with baited breath for any Jim Reeves song to come on air to press the 'Record' button. Warm regards, Mike

G'day Harshawardhan, , On 30/04/2010, at 11:43 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > The hit songs parade both John and you are referring to was a regular > feature of this English service but I forget on which weekly day. Sunday evenings when I was in school. 31 and 49 Metre short wave band. ooroo

Yes, John, I think you're right. For some reason, I was thinking that it was on Saturday. Many thanks for that. On 1 May 2010 07:01, John Feltham <[email protected]> wrote: > G'day Harshawardhan, > , > On 30/04/2010, at 11:43 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > > > The hit songs parade both John and you are referring to was a regular > > feature of this English service but I forget on which weekly day. > > Sunday evenings when I was in school. > > 31 and 49 Metre short wave band. > > > ooroo > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- > > I think first an apology is called for to those who are not interested > in this particular thread. But if they have never ever heard Radio > Ceylon/SLBC, they wouldn't understand this nostalgia. No apology needed... the thread has taken me down some interesting memories: when I was younger, headphones on, listening to my crystral radio before I went to sleep. (Mum or Dad would remove the earphones when I was asleep. Many years later, when the atmospheric conditions allowed, listening to rock and roll on WOWO, (Fort Wayne, Indiana) Van Morrison captures the nostalgia in his song "In the Days Before Rock and Roll". Pat

----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty" Hi Harsha Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Binaca Hit Parade featured English songs (was it on Saturday evenings - I forget), whereas Geet Mala featured Hindi songs. ==================== My mistake. I was thinking only of the Hindi service of Radio Ceylon or SLBC. They used to also have their All Asia English Service and, wind and weather permitting, I used to listen to it sometimes. But my main interest was and still is in their Hindi service. Don't know if that English service is still on the air. The hit songs parade both John and you are referring to was a regular feature of this English service but I forget on which weekly day. The Binaca people used to sponsor it. The popularity of this English song parade prompted them to sponsor a similar programme for Hindi songs - this was the Binaca Geet Mala, aired on every Wednesday between 8 and 9 pm. During the 1960s and 70s it became so famous that its host Ameen Sayani achieved an iconic status - similar to that of Willis Conover of VOA's Jazz Hour. The Binaca Company later became Cibaca and coninued to sponsor the show for some years, but when the TV boom started in India in the 1980s, they stopped paying for it and the show was - much to every fan's everlasting regrets - discontinued. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

----- Original Message ----- From: Stewart Ennis [email protected] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Tooksah My father used to refer to my mother as 'Tooksah'. has anyone any idea what this term means?

"Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne" "yes, too bad that the victims of Thugs couldn't come forwards to identify the perpetrators. Megan S. Mills PHD" Again, mails, and that too, rude mails, from the same two people who pounced upon my mail on the INA some months ago. All that I can say in this regard to both you ladies is, firstly, READ, for heaven's sake, READ !! And secondly, DON'T BE RUDE !! Spewing a football hooligan style of uncalled-for venom is totally unacceptable and intolerable. Harsha, I shall be most grateful if you could advise them that intemperate remarks of this sort are *not* the norm. Recently, there was an excellent book (no, not by a revisionist Indian ex-thug, but by a well-read, educated Englishman) who had conducted a well-planned and lengthy research on Sleeman and the thugs (I can't remember his name, but I think the book is called 'On Sleeman's Trail,' well-researched, and well-written) wherein he has quoted extensively from original sources showing how, in many cases, the problem was largely exaggerated, and how the evidence for hanging in a large number of cases was superficial. His book gives full credence to Harsha's statement on the so-called 'criminal tribes' which first gave rise to this thread. Try and get your hands on that book and read it, and *then* let's have a discussion, not an unseemly argument. On 30 April 2010 04:31, Lynne Hadley <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a > break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mukund murty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be > richer? > > > > Well, there's also a huge question mark against what William Sleeman did > > to/ > > with the Thugs... > > > > Very, very, arguable, as to whether these were really criminal gangs, and > > whether the people hanged were really deserving of the hanging - rather > > like > > what happened in so many villages during the 'Mutiny...' > > > > It really is true when they say that history is the story of the Victor. > > > > On 29 April 2010 19:26, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition > >> > >> > >> > http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented > >> > >> > >> > http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented > >> > >> India's criminal tribes > >> If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor > >> Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing > >> of the sort > >> > >> | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | > >> > >> According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an > >> area dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and > >> Gujarat, members of a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged > >> and dirty, walking with a sneaking gait". > >> > >> To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal > >> Tribes Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were > >> forced to register with the police, forbidden to move around > >> freely and, in many cases, herded into barbed-wire camps. > >> The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, > >> and the criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. > >> Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate > >> a preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs > >> to tribal people, which has let them become part of India's > >> elite civil services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes > >> (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] > >> > >> --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

All too true, Sandra!! Cheers, Lynne. :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra carney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be richer? > Lynne, > Don't you know that revisionist history is in vogue these days! > Who cares about truth? It's all about agenda! > Sandra > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Hadley > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:32 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be > richer? > > Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a > break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mukund murty" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:06 AM > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be > richer? > > >> Well, there's also a huge question mark against what William Sleeman >> did to/ with the Thugs... >> >> Very, very, arguable, as to whether these were really criminal gangs, >> and whether the people hanged were really deserving of the hanging - >> rather like what happened in so many villages during the 'Mutiny...' >> >> It really is true when they say that history is the story of the Victor. >> >> On 29 April 2010 19:26, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition >>> >>> >>> http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1595553 >>> 0&source=most_commented >>> >>> >>> http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1595553 >>> 0&source=most_commented >>> >>> India's criminal tribes >>> If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor >>> Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing of the >>> sort >>> >>> | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | >>> >>> According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an area >>> dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and Gujarat, members of >>> a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged and dirty, walking with a >>> sneaking gait". >>> >>> To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal Tribes >>> Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were forced to register >>> with the police, forbidden to move around freely and, in many cases, >>> herded into barbed-wire camps. >>> The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, and the >>> criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. >>> Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate a >>> preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs to tribal >>> people, which has let them become part of India's elite civil >>> services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes >>> (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] >>> >>> --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be richer? > Well, there's also a huge question mark against what William Sleeman did > to/ > with the Thugs... > > Very, very, arguable, as to whether these were really criminal gangs, and > whether the people hanged were really deserving of the hanging - rather > like > what happened in so many villages during the 'Mutiny...' > > It really is true when they say that history is the story of the Victor. > > On 29 April 2010 19:26, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition >> >> >> http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented >> >> >> http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented >> >> India's criminal tribes >> If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor >> Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing >> of the sort >> >> | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | >> >> According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an >> area dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and >> Gujarat, members of a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged >> and dirty, walking with a sneaking gait". >> >> To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal >> Tribes Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were >> forced to register with the police, forbidden to move around >> freely and, in many cases, herded into barbed-wire camps. >> The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, >> and the criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. >> Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate >> a preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs >> to tribal people, which has let them become part of India's >> elite civil services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes >> (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] >> >> --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Read you loud and clear, Mukund. Have been reading South Asian history of different kinds/Indian religions, for 25+ years, thanks. Most recently on the Thags -- not Thugs -- I've come to think that Sleeman wasn't off, though the methods of the day do not fit with ours. On a lighter note, interesting to spot various letters to editors in Indian periodicals half-wishing for a new Pindari War in the Republic of India. Best Wishes, Megan Megan S. Mills PHD 198 St Helen's Toronto CDA M6H 4A1 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:29:52 +0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? > > "Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a > break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne" > > "yes, too bad that the victims of Thugs couldn't come forwards to identify > the perpetrators. > > Megan S. Mills PHD" > > Again, mails, and that too, rude mails, from the same two people who pounced > upon my mail on the INA some months ago. > > All that I can say in this regard to both you ladies is, firstly, READ, for > heaven's sake, READ !! > > And secondly, DON'T BE RUDE !! Spewing a football hooligan style of > uncalled-for venom is totally unacceptable and intolerable. Harsha, I shall > be most grateful if you could advise them that intemperate remarks of this > sort are *not* the norm. > > Recently, there was an excellent book (no, not by a revisionist Indian > ex-thug, but by a well-read, educated Englishman) who had conducted a > well-planned and lengthy research on Sleeman and the thugs (I can't remember > his name, but I think the book is called 'On Sleeman's Trail,' > well-researched, and well-written) wherein he has quoted extensively from > original sources showing how, in many cases, the problem was largely > exaggerated, and how the evidence for hanging in a large number of cases was > superficial. His book gives full credence to Harsha's statement on the > so-called 'criminal tribes' which first gave rise to this thread. > > Try and get your hands on that book and read it, and *then* let's have a > discussion, not an unseemly argument. > > On 30 April 2010 04:31, Lynne Hadley <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a > > break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mukund murty" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be > > richer? > > > > > > > Well, there's also a huge question mark against what William Sleeman did > > > to/ > > > with the Thugs... > > > > > > Very, very, arguable, as to whether these were really criminal gangs, and > > > whether the people hanged were really deserving of the hanging - rather > > > like > > > what happened in so many villages during the 'Mutiny...' > > > > > > It really is true when they say that history is the story of the Victor. > > > > > > On 29 April 2010 19:26, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >> Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented > > >> > > >> > > >> > > http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented > > >> > > >> India's criminal tribes > > >> If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor > > >> Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing > > >> of the sort > > >> > > >> | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | > > >> > > >> According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an > > >> area dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and > > >> Gujarat, members of a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged > > >> and dirty, walking with a sneaking gait". > > >> > > >> To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal > > >> Tribes Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were > > >> forced to register with the police, forbidden to move around > > >> freely and, in many cases, herded into barbed-wire camps. > > >> The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, > > >> and the criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. > > >> Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate > > >> a preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs > > >> to tribal people, which has let them become part of India's > > >> elite civil services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes > > >> (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] > > >> > > >> --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > >> without > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well, there's also a huge question mark against what William Sleeman did to/ with the Thugs... Very, very, arguable, as to whether these were really criminal gangs, and whether the people hanged were really deserving of the hanging - rather like what happened in so many villages during the 'Mutiny...' It really is true when they say that history is the story of the Victor. On 29 April 2010 19:26, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <[email protected]>wrote: > Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition > > > http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented > > > http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented > > India's criminal tribes > If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor > Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing > of the sort > > | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | > > According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an > area dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and > Gujarat, members of a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged > and dirty, walking with a sneaking gait". > > To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal > Tribes Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were > forced to register with the police, forbidden to move around > freely and, in many cases, herded into barbed-wire camps. > The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, > and the criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. > Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate > a preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs > to tribal people, which has let them become part of India's > elite civil services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes > (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lynne, Don't you know that revisionist history is in vogue these days! Who cares about truth? It's all about agenda! Sandra -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lynne Hadley Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be richer? Yes, that nasty Sleeman, hanging those murderous highway men. Give me a break....another attempt at sanitising Indian history? Lynne ----- Original Message ----- From: "mukund murty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] If they were crooks,wouldn't they be richer? > Well, there's also a huge question mark against what William Sleeman > did to/ with the Thugs... > > Very, very, arguable, as to whether these were really criminal gangs, > and whether the people hanged were really deserving of the hanging - > rather like what happened in so many villages during the 'Mutiny...' > > It really is true when they say that history is the story of the Victor. > > On 29 April 2010 19:26, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition >> >> >> http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1595553 >> 0&source=most_commented >> >> >> http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1595553 >> 0&source=most_commented >> >> India's criminal tribes >> If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor >> Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing of the >> sort >> >> | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | >> >> According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an area >> dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and Gujarat, members of >> a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged and dirty, walking with a >> sneaking gait". >> >> To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal Tribes >> Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were forced to register >> with the police, forbidden to move around freely and, in many cases, >> herded into barbed-wire camps. >> The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, and the >> criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. >> Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate a >> preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs to tribal >> people, which has let them become part of India's elite civil >> services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes >> (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] >> >> --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apr 22nd 2010 From The Economist print edition http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15955530&source=most_commented India's criminal tribes If they were crooks, wouldn't they be richer? Millions of poor Indians are considered criminal by tradition. Most are nothing of the sort | ASHTI, MAHARASHTRA | According to an 1880 report of the Bombay Presidency, an area dominated by the modern states of Maharashtra and Gujarat, members of a Pardhi sub-tribe are "always ragged and dirty, walking with a sneaking gait". To fix these vagabonds, the Raj introduced the 1871 Criminal Tribes Act, under which members of around 150 tribes were forced to register with the police, forbidden to move around freely and, in many cases, herded into barbed-wire camps. The law was scrapped soon after India won independence, and the criminal tribes were formally "de-notified" in 1952. Some have prospered: in Rajasthan, the Meenas dominate a preferential-treatment scheme to allocate government jobs to tribal people, which has let them become part of India's elite civil services. Yet the fortunes of many de-notified tribes (DNTs) have scarcely improved. [snip] --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Thank you so much for all that information, a lot of time given to me, much appreciated, many thanks indeed. I shall do a bit of research on that indeed, when I have finished our personal and business tax returns (it's that time of year!) and got them off to the accountant for checking!!!!! Kind regards, Carol T ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:36 AM Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Radio and the Raj: broadcasting in BritishIndia Re: Off topic - on topic > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol&PT" > I have a photograph of my father sitting at a transmitter at Gondalpara > Jute > Mill, near Chandernagore, in 1937.. He was a 'radio ham' . > It has the details of the transmitter written on the back of the photo, > eg: > Receiver - Eddystone 'Klyodine-4', 50 watts, frequency 14200 Kcs, Y100KCs > and Y220Kcs, his call sign and so on. > I don't know what I am talking about here - merely quoting some of the > details on the back of the photo!! So presumably it was only half as > powerful as your quoted "first 1-Kw transmitter" at Nagpur? > ============================== > > Carol, hams and public broadcasting radios is a fascinating subject. > However, going into their technical details would not only be outside > the scope of this list but it would also amount to my speaking on > something for which I am not qualified. Search the web or wikipaedia > for more information on these two topics. > > Briefly, the power of a transmitter decides the range of its coverage. > So a 1-KW transmitter has a very short range while a 1000-KW > baby can be heard clearly over very long distances. Ham radios > are mainly like telephones - operated by licensed amateurs. Obviously > a powerful transmitter is going to cost a lot of money, so most > ''hams'' prefer simple, low-key, short range transmitters as opposed > to those used by public broadcasters. But in any case, they both have > to work under strict rules and regulations. > > Hams and public radios were brought to India by the Raj people, > and after all these years and despite the advent of cell phones > and digital TVs, they still are popular to a large extent. > > According to the official records, radio broadcasting in India began > on July 23, 1927, when the Indian Broadcasting Company, IBC, > inaugurated its first radio station 7BY in Bombay. As time went by, > 7BY became the more familiar VUB and the Indian Broadcasting > Company was taken over by AIR, All India Radio. > > However, in the eight year period stretching from early 1920 until > regular broadcasting was established in 1927, a dozen or more > radio stations were established in several of the major cities in > India. All of these stations were experimental in nature, and some > were very temporary, lasting no more than a few days. > > The very first radio broadcast in India was made by Giandchand > Motwane (GE-and-chund mot-WAH-nee) from Bombay in 1920. > This low powered station was on the air for just one day under > the callsign 2KC. [snip] > http://www.radioheritage.net/Story23.asp > > The main public broadcasting radio and TV system is owned by > the Government of India through a corporation known as Prasar > Bharati. The radio system is entitled ''Akashwani'' [or Voice from > the Skies] in Hindi and All India Radio in English. Rabindranath > Tagore is supposed to have coined the name ''Akashwani''. > > More interesting history at: > http://cluedin.in/component/content/article/169/169 > > Some other links for more information = > > Radio and the Raj: broadcasting in British India (1920-1940) > http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=A95D1B29553EC68E368323DD1E8CE5A6.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=5857552 > > http://www.hamradioindia.org/ > > http://allindiaradio.org/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmitter > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John on another subject! I remember Radio Ceylon - we looked after a friend's radiogramme while he was on leave.....early Elvis songs and Jim Reeves as I recall ! Wonderful - went back to silence when he came back out to Calcutta! Probably 1957-ish. It meant that when we came back to Blighty on leave I knew what a radio was, but was very puzzled by this thing called a television at first! Carol T ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Radio and the Raj: broadcasting in British India. G'day Harshawardhan, On 29/04/2010, at 4:36 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > Carol, hams and public broadcasting radios is a fascinating subject. And one that has not been brought up in this forum before, I do believe? Victoria and Dow Hill Schools in Kurseong were founded and located in a former Commissioners House called 'Constantia' . See... http://vsdh.org/vsdh/constantia/index.html The house was built on the top of a fine promontory just below the town. Eventually the house fell into disrepair and the house and was bought by AIR - All India Radio. I was able to have a tour around the building when I was in Kurseong in 2001. Some of the radio equipment was rather ancient and was well past its use-by date. However it was still providing a stirling service to the district. When I was at VS, we would listen to the "Binaca Hit Parade" broadcast from Radio Ceylon on a Sunday evening. I have always wondered if the house in Kurseong was built by an old boy of La Martiniére, Lucknow. The building was built as a home for Claud Martin and his wife, eventually became his burial place and the present LML school. And the name of the building? Constantia. ooroo ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

G'day Harshawardhan, On 29/04/2010, at 4:36 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > Carol, hams and public broadcasting radios is a fascinating subject. And one that has not been brought up in this forum before, I do believe? Victoria and Dow Hill Schools in Kurseong were founded and located in a former Commissioners House called 'Constantia' . See... http://vsdh.org/vsdh/constantia/index.html The house was built on the top of a fine promontory just below the town. Eventually the house fell into disrepair and the house and was bought by AIR - All India Radio. I was able to have a tour around the building when I was in Kurseong in 2001. Some of the radio equipment was rather ancient and was well past its use-by date. However it was still providing a stirling service to the district. When I was at VS, we would listen to the "Binaca Hit Parade" broadcast from Radio Ceylon on a Sunday evening. I have always wondered if the house in Kurseong was built by an old boy of La Martiniére, Lucknow. The building was built as a home for Claud Martin and his wife, eventually became his burial place and the present LML school. And the name of the building? Constantia. ooroo

Hi Harsha Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the Binaca Hit Parade featured English songs (was it on Saturday evenings - I forget), whereas Geet Mala featured Hindi songs. I remember how my two elder brothers (and sundry friends) and I used to gather around the radio and furiously scribble down the words of new songs in our little notebooks so we could sing them at the next do/ dance at the Railway Club!! Having said that, I must admit that the little (and quite affordable) song books used to find their way to the pavements of Colaba Causeway, or Connaught Place, or Park Street, or Brigade Road quite soon after the song was first played on the Hit Parade (and on AIR's Saturday Date and the Wednesday Listener's Choice). Simple, sweet days, simple, sweet kids... On 29 April 2010 14:35, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar <[email protected]>wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" > When I was at VS, we would listen to the "Binaca Hit Parade" > broadcast from Radio Ceylon on a Sunday evening. > > ================= > > Don't - John, please don't get me started on the subject of Radio > Ceylon - now known as SLBC or Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation. > I love it and can speak volumes. I was pleasantly surprised to read > that you were a Binaca Geet Mala (song parade) fan. > > Sadly, SLBC's foreign service is no longer what it was a decade > or so ago. TV and FM radios have brought down their listenership, > advertisement revenues have gone down to nil and so the > government in Colombo no longer seems much interested in > financing SLBC to keep running the very popular Hindi service. > A die-hard short-wave buff and an avid listener of SLBC's Hindi > service like me feels disgusted and hurt while catching the very > poor quality transmissions on 31 and 49 metre bands. > > I am not sure of my facts, but vaguely remember reading somewhere > that the present-day transmitters of the SLBC once belonged to the > Voice of America and set up there during the second World War. > Their life is probably over by now but without governmental funding > upgradation is not possible. So SLBC somehow still manages to > show a smiling face to the world by relying on those aged machines. > > In the meantime, here is something on the history of Radio Ceylon > (SLBC): Eighty Years of Broadcasting in Sri Lanka, by Ivan Corea > > The Sri Lanka Broadcasting Corporation celebrates 80 years in 2005 > - a historic landmark in the world of broadcasting. To this day the > SLBC is the oldest and finest radio station in South Asia. > > http://www.dailynews.lk/2005/12/27/fea02.htm > > Oh, and just by the way, how many of you have heard the National > Anthem of Sri Lanka? Its words and music are perhaps THE BEST > amongst national anthems from the entire world. A beautiful, haunting, > magical melody. > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >