G'day Chekkutyty, On 15/08/2010, at 2:00 PM, Chekkutty N.P wrote: > Any idea what is this Fusly? Something like the financial year we have > today? Google... "fusly year" +raj and this is the result. "Fusly or harvest years." ooroo

With grovelling apologies to non-UK TV licence holders - don't forget to watch the BBC 1 Who do You Think You Are? programme tonight at 9 p.m. Here is the blurb from the website: "Actor Rupert Penry-Jones has made his name playing dashing, quintessentially English heroes. But his family background is very different. His mother, actress Angela Thorne, was born in Karachi, when it was part of British India. Rupert doesn't know much about his Raj relatives, but there is a family story that there is Indian blood in the family. Rupert is keen to find out the truth. He remembers his grandfather on his mothers' side, Bill, who was a doctor in India, and decides to start his search there. Bill was a doctor in the Indian Medical Service and saw action in the Second World War, in the Italian Campaign at Monte Cassino. Rupert is keen to find out more about the Field Ambulance corps that Bill commanded, who were supporting the 8th Indian Division at the battle. He travels to Italy, and is humbled and impressed by his grandfather's unsung heroism. Rupert wants to know when the Indian connection with his family first started. A trail of documents reveal that his great-great-great-great grandfather, Thomas, was the first Thorne in India. Rupert decides to follow in his footsteps to India. He travels to Allahabad, and discovers that Thomas was involved in the Great Indian Rebellion. but Rupert will have to go back even further if he's to discover the truth." (In my family the dark eyes and hair are from our Norman-French ancestors, - but of course!) Best, Ruth in Brum (Birmingham, England)

15 august 1947 to 15th august 2010 makes india 63,rd independence day, cheers Ash. On 15/08/2010, at 5:24 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 > > Recreating the spirit > > On India's 64th Independence Day, ''The Hindu'' tries to > recreate the spirit of that historic occasion. In this special > two-page feature, we reproduce excerpts from special > reports published in The Hindu on August 15, 1947. Prime > Minister Jawaharlal Nehru's appeal to the people and our > own editorial of the day are reprinted here for the benefit > of a new generation of readers. > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550660100.htm > > FREE INDIA IS BORN: UNION CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY ASSUMES POWER > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550670100.htm > > MR. NEHRU'S MESSAGE > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550790200.htm > > A RED-LETTER DAY = FRIDAY, AUGUST 15, 1947 > [Editorial] > > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550740100.htm > > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi folks, - I had the wrong date in the Subject heading - it should have been 1892 -1900 !!!!! I was only a hundred years out! Cheers Ainslie.

Hi folks, I read a posting in the past couple of weeks or so about a boy soldier who was sponsored by his father, a serving officer. I would like to know if there is a listing of under-age soldiers who served in the British Army in India, Aden or elsewhere in the region between the period 1892 and 1899? I'm looking for the name James Jesse Stroud - as the boy soldier. I found he left school in a small town near Invercargill in New Zealand and travelled to Dunedin - I cannot find any evidence that he continued his musical studies in Dunedin NZ (at that time the main centre for Musical studies with Trinity College sending out an examiner annually to test students from around Australia and New Zealand) but Dunedin also had a major port for overseas arrivals and departures at Port Chalmers -- so I'm trying to work out if JJ Stroud sailed from NZ to London and subsequently joined the British India Army after studying at Kneller Hall or did he go straight into the Army under the sponsorship of a family friend or relative in England? In a letter which JJ sent to my father in the late 1940s he mentions being in his 'teenage' and 'helping a laddie build a flattie and a whaler in Aden' which were launched 'with the whole battalion lined up to witness the event' - I do not have the name of his battalion. JJ married in Colabra, Bombay in 1906. He and his wife Sarah (nee Gatley) left India in 1907 to travel on to NZ. I suspect they went back to England first to see her family in Stockport, Cheshire before sailing off to NZ. Any help would be most appreciated as this is my major hurdle at present! Cheers Ainslie.

Actually its the 64th if you count the initial Independence Day too. Of course its the 63rd anniversary of Independence this year. Jai Hind ! Mandeep Bajwa Sent from my BlackBerry® on Reliance Mobile, India's No. 1 Network. Go for it! -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Raye <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:49:40 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Recreating the spirit of AUGUST 15, 1947 15 august 1947 to 15th august 2010 makes india 63,rd independence day, cheers Ash. On 15/08/2010, at 5:24 PM, Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar wrote: > Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 > > Recreating the spirit > > On India's 64th Independence Day, ''The Hindu'' tries to > recreate the spirit of that historic occasion. In this special > two-page feature, we reproduce excerpts from special > reports published in The Hindu on August 15, 1947. Prime > Minister Jawaharlal Nehru's appeal to the people and our > own editorial of the day are reprinted here for the benefit > of a new generation of readers. > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550660100.htm > > FREE INDIA IS BORN: UNION CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY ASSUMES POWER > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550670100.htm > > MR. NEHRU'S MESSAGE > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550790200.htm > > A RED-LETTER DAY = FRIDAY, AUGUST 15, 1947 > [Editorial] > > http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550740100.htm > > > --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 Recreating the spirit On India's 64th Independence Day, ''The Hindu'' tries to recreate the spirit of that historic occasion. In this special two-page feature, we reproduce excerpts from special reports published in The Hindu on August 15, 1947. Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru's appeal to the people and our own editorial of the day are reprinted here for the benefit of a new generation of readers. http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550660100.htm FREE INDIA IS BORN: UNION CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY ASSUMES POWER http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550670100.htm MR. NEHRU'S MESSAGE http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550790200.htm A RED-LETTER DAY = FRIDAY, AUGUST 15, 1947 [Editorial] http://www.hindu.com/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550740100.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 NOSTALGIA Memories of the North Meandering through the bazaars of Lahore was sheer delight, and during the summer in Shimla one could forget all pain. SILLOO MEHTA recalls tranquil times during the Raj... The writer (age 93) is a freelance contributor to national newspapers and magazines. http://www.hindu.com/mag/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550340500.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Sunday, Aug 15, 2010 Power centre of the Raj The decision to partition India was taken at Shimla's Viceregal Lodge, an edifice that reflects the splendour of its colonial past. http://www.hindu.com/mag/2010/08/15/stories/2010081550470800.htm --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Let's sing, all of us, a few hosannas in John's honour. It's going to be his birthday soon, and so we wish him in advance a long, long, happy, healthy, and cheerful life. And many thanks, John, for the ''sermon''. I was beginning to feel lonely, deserted, neglected, unwanted, uncared for, given up, abandoned, cast off .... :-) Gosh! it's good to see these smiling faces. -- Harshawardhan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" Today is India's 73rd Anniversary of Independence. I know, I was there, six days short of my tenth birthday. Let us celebrate.

Chekuty, FASLI is the chronological system devised by the Mughal emperor Akbar<https://mail.google.com/EBchecked/topic/11421/Akbar>for land revenue purposes in northern India, for which the Muslim lunar calendar <https://mail.google.com/EBchecked/topic/351352/lunar-calendar> was inconvenient. *Faṣlī* (“harvest”) is derived from the Arabic term for “division,” which in India was applied to the groupings of the seasons. The era dated from Akbar’s accession year, the Muslim year ah 963 (1555–56 ce). This was also the Hindu Samvat era year 1612. Akbar arbitrarily took 649 years from the Samvat year in order to make the Faṣlī year 963. Thereafter, the Faṣlī era proceeded according to the Samvat calendar. Hence you often see old Urdu and Muslim certificates with the FASLI year on them Kind Regards Kerry IF YOU FORWARD MY EMAILS AS A COURTESY PLEASE REMOVE ALL ATTACHED EMAIL ADDRESSES OR BLIND COPY (bcc). AND PLEASE DON'T SEND ME CHAIN MAIL On 15 August 2010 14:00, Chekkutty N.P <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, here is one more doubt: > > As I read the British records on India of early 19th century, I come across > references to Fusly year, ooten with reference to revenue collection. They > used this Fusly year in addition to the normal Gregarian calendar. > > Any idea what is this Fusly? Something like the financial year we have > today? > > N P Chekkutty/Malabar, India. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thought this book may be of interest.Rosemary Cahill Blood, Mike Cahill, Catu-ualos Publishing, 2010. ISBN 978-0-9564457-0-4, Hardbound, 272 pages, £15 - Mike Cahill inherited two swords and a medal from an aunt and this lead him to research his family history, the subject of the book. It covers three generations of Cahills between the early 19th century and the mid 20th. Thomas Cahill, born around 1796 in County Kildare Ireland, joined the British army in 1817 and died of cholera in India in 1830. His wife and family accompanied him in India and after his death Thomas’s son Patrick joined the regiment (49th foot) as a boy soldier even though he may only have been only 13 years of age. Patrick fought in the Chinese, Indian Mutiny and the Crimean campaigns and rose through the ranks to become a major, and died in 1881. His son Joseph was born in Ireland in 1850 and spent his childhood with the 49th Foot but did not go into the army. He became a policeman, first with The Metropolitan Police and then with the East & West India Docks Police, which is where the East London connection arises. He became head of the PLA police force retiring in 1912. He was a long time resident of Poplar, serving as All Saints Vestryman from 1881 and Mayor of Poplar 1905-6. The book gives lots of background into army life in the 19th century and the history of the docks and dockland Poplar. A very interesting read.

Hello Chekkutty Fusly was a local calendar year used in Canara and Northern Malabar. I don't know where it comes from but Fusly 1274 is 1864-65 AD. Hobson Jobson says FUSLY , adj. Ar. -- P. fa?li, relating to the fa?l, season or crop. This name is applied to certain solar eras established for use in revenue and other civil transactions, under the Mahommedan rule in India, to meet the inconvenience of the lunar calendar of the Hijra, in its want of correspondence with the natural seasons. Three at least of these eras were established by Akbar, applying to different parts of his dominions, intended to accommodate themselves as far as possible to the local calendars, and commencing in each case with the Hijra year of his accession to the throne (A.H. 963=A.D. 1555-56), though the month of commencement varies. [See Ain, ed. Jarrett, ii. 30.] The Fa?li year of the Deccan again was introduced by Shah Jehan when settling the revenue system of the Mahratta country in 1636; and as it starts with the Hijra date of that year, it is, in numeration, two years in advance of the others. Two of these fa?li years are still in use, as regards revenue matters, viz. the Fa?li of Upper India, under which the Fa?li year 1286 began 2nd April 1878; and that of Madras, under which Fasli year 1286 began 1st July 1877. Nick

From: Donald Duckworth <[email protected]> Subject: Fw: Oh Where Have You Gone My Old Bangalore This poem sums up why I will never return to what was The Garden City of India, also known as Pensioner's Paradise, where my grandfather's lovely home has 3 blocks of flats on the site. Don *OH! WHERE HAVE YOU GONE MY OLD BANGALORE?* *By Aubrey Millet* Oh! where have you gone My old Bangalore ? The old charming Bungalow with red bougainvillea Framed by trees with yellow forsythia The city of lakes with an abundance of shade And tree-fringed boulevards like South Parade. The cheerful smile of the Convent nuns Would light up your day like a thousand suns The blushing purple of Jacaranda Did greet the eye from every verandah Oh! where have you gone My old Bangalore ? Breakfast at Koshy¹s after Sunday morning Mass And off to the jam-session to woo the lass Blazered school boys on their weekly walks And giggling school girls in their frilly frocks Oh! where have you gone My old Bangalore? Gone are the days of Languorous denizens Replaced by hordes of Nerdy netizens Gorgeous gardens with the greenest of grass Buildings ravaged by time and fate Now built-up facades of steel and glass Of the MNC¹s and the Conglomerate Oh! where have you gone my old Bangalore ? Thronging crowds at monstrous malls Clogged gutters and traffic that crawls Undisciplined vehicles driven pell-mell Transforming the city into a living hell Chaos of the Metro and Mono Rails Chopped up trees and current that fails Flooded streets and fallen poles Encroached pavements and huge pot-holes Racuous music from blaring mikes The cacophony of drag-racing bikes Packs of stray dogs barking in the night Foraging in the garbage of urban blight Cement ghettos of high-rise apartments Rampant corruption in government departments Scurrying neighbours, uncourteous and faceless A monument to man¹s thisworldlyness Oh! where have you gone my old Bangalore ? Frazer Town is now Pulikeshinagar And Palace Orchards is Sadashivnagar Ulsoor Lake is now called Hallasuru And even Bangalore is now Bengaluru . __._,_.___ . __,_._,___

Harshoo - this is bad. First John, then you. will try to get to Nagpur as soon as possible! Icidentally John says 73 years. have been having mental blocks with my mental arithmetic - but surely it 63? love to yiu and the family, Pip > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:26:19 +0530 > Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] And a jug of Nimboopaani for our John ... Re: Jai Hind > > Let's sing, all of us, a few hosannas in John's honour. It's going > to be his birthday soon, and so we wish him in advance a long, > long, happy, healthy, and cheerful life. > > And many thanks, John, for the ''sermon''. I was beginning to feel > lonely, deserted, neglected, unwanted, uncared for, given up, > abandoned, cast off .... :-) > > Gosh! it's good to see these smiling faces. > > -- Harshawardhan > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Feltham" > > Today is India's 73rd Anniversary of Independence. I know, I was there, six > days short of my tenth birthday. Let us celebrate. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, here is one more doubt: As I read the British records on India of early 19th century, I come across references to Fusly year, ooten with reference to revenue collection. They used this Fusly year in addition to the normal Gregarian calendar. Any idea what is this Fusly? Something like the financial year we have today? N P Chekkutty/Malabar, India.

Oops! Typo error for years since Independence. Apologies. Sally From: karoo [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 15 August 2010 12:21 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: 15th August 2010 With sincere good wishes to our Indian members for a happy 64th commemoration of India's day of independence and nationhood. Jai Hind. Sally Stewart

With sincere good wishes to our Indian members for a happy 64th commemoration of India's day of independence and nationhood. Jai Hind. Sally Stewart

We must all live in harmony - it is achieved by all List members rallying around the flag. http://tinyurl.com/3a4b7da Today is India's 73rd Anniversary of Independence. I know, I was there, six days short of my tenth birthday. Let us celebrate. http://tinyurl.com/3yf6g5 Jai Hind.

Wishing all our Indian member of the List a Happy Independence Day on the 15th of August. Cheers & God bless Elsie Sarstedt-McCarthy