Hi, No quarrel with para 2,the term refers to fake architectural monstrosities constructed during 19th century,in styles long dead.many of them were hotels at site where people went to drink the alleged health giving waters. skp

Here is a little something about P.Orr and sons in Mount Road... I will root around & see if I can find anything about Pophams, David.. meanwhile this is a small flavour of things as they were... warm greetings, Vanya Orr it was a tradition at P.Orr's that there would always have to be a Director on the premises during working hours right round the year! This ensured that Madras Society shopping here was always served by someone almost on that society - and not by a salesman, no matter the latter's immaculate white suit, just the right tie, shoes that shone and impeccable manners. From owner-directors' hands, P.Orr's passed into the Amalgamations Group and then, in 1967, Anantharamakrishnan sold the business to his friend Karumuthu Thiaigaraja Chettiar, in whose family the business remains, but with the property strongly disputed even after recent court rulings. Chisholm's 60 feet by 30 showroom that was the chief attraction of P.Orr's building in its heyday was a veritable Victorian wonderland of ornate chandeliers, floors with shining tiles, richly embellished walls that were an "art gallery" of the coats of arms and heraldry of British and Indian royalty and nobility, and, above all, scores of ornamental showcases, with their glass gleaming and their rosewood and teak polished almost every day. And in the showcases, themselves works of art, were the riches of P.Orr's, ranging from watches to silverware, from precious stones to jewellery. There also used to be renowned Diamond Table, the display of rubies and jade that the Rangoon branch regularly supplied, and case after case of watches, chronometers and silverware. Today, no longer can you see here the Golconda or the 68-carat Guntakkal Diamond, nor displays of silver and gold table service or trophies. Today, it's back to roots - and that's watches. Behind it all there also survives what used to be a fascinating horolgical workshop, a maze on different levels, with hundreds of stools and workbenches where hundreds of employees pored over the intricacies of the innards of watches and clocks, while at other levels jewellery was created, gold and silver engraved. There was a time when P.Orr's even went beyond its traditional business, in an unconscious reflection of Peter Orr's engineering roots which, from time to time, manifested themselves in some new creation of his - like his mechanical process to work the city's punkahs by steam! During that short excursion, P.Orr's assembled bicycles, served as agents for Oldsmobile, Cadillac and Wolseley cars, sold and serviced sophisticated surveying equipment and even had an arms and ammunition section, where arms repair was a specialty. Over the years, and particularly after Independence, department after department was closed down and it is with watches the firm is primarily associated once more." -- Vanya Orr, Project Director Earth Trust Ketty Post Nilgiris, Tamilnadu, India mob.: +919787749943 office: +914232517036 www.earthtrustnilgiris.org

Happy to see the Anglo-Indians still evoke some interest in other parts of the world. Here is a recent N Y Times article from Calcutta, and thanks to Dr John Roberts for alerting me to it. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/world/asia/15india.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&sq=anglo%20indians&st=cse&scp=1

Thanks to all who replied to my query. Karachi it must be Patrick

There is an interesting pic of a Pindi Murree bus on one of your links. It also has Shooting Mail written on it. There were two bus services between Rawalpind (Pindi) and Murree, a distance of 39 miles. One was Pindi Murree Transport, the other Murree Hills Transport. Pindi Murree buses were red in colour while Murree Hills were green. Although it says government transport on the bus, I remember them to be private services. Rode on them several times. The route started at 1000 feet altitude and ended at 6000-7000. Murree was the hill station of Pindi.

The Indian Empire exhibition will be held at the Art Gallery of New South Wales, Australia, from 19th August through 7th November2010. It will feature significant works from the Portvale Collection. http://www.artknowledgenews.com/2010-08-16-21-54-18-the-indian-empire-significant-works-from-the-portvale-collection.html --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

An ancestor Maude Shute Born 1861 Hurachee, India. Anyone tell me the whereabouts. Thanks Patrick

Hello all, I had earlier send an information request regarding oil comanies' operations in South Asia between the 1900s to 1960s, to which some of you thankfully responded. I am now more and more shifting my interest towards the early history of motor transport and improved road infrastructure in rural areas of northern India/southern and eastern Pakistan between the mid-1920s to early 1960s. This includes different sorts of motor transport such as bus services and goods transport by lorries. You may want to look at some of my earlier discussions for further explanation and visual evidence http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/pre-1950/85030-early-20th-century-road-infrastructure-bus-transport-services-automobile-traffic.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/commercial-vehicles-india/85989-early-use-lorries-tractors-etc.html Does anybody on this list have an interest in these issues? Can anybody provide historical information on developments in the time under review? I would be very grateful for information on this subject from eye witnesses of the time or their descendants, be they local transport users and operators, corporate or governmental organisations or from any other field. Please do get in touch! Best wishes, Stefan

Probably Kurachee(Karachi) On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Patrick <[email protected]> wrote: > > An ancestor Maude Shute Born 1861 Hurachee, India. Anyone tell me the > whereabouts. > > Thanks > > Patrick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Almost certainly "Kurrachee" with the "K" mistaken or mis-written for a "H". There is no "Hurachee" in the India Gazetteer for that period. Colin > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 10:24:19 +1200 > Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Hurachee-location? > > > An ancestor Maude Shute Born 1861 Hurachee, India. Anyone tell me the whereabouts. > > Thanks > > Patrick > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, Is it to be broadcast on Pay TV here tonight? Cheers, Lynne. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ainslie Pyne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Who Do you Think You Are? program. > Hi folks, > > I thought I was onto a winner for a few minutes when I decided to check > out the BBC TV site to see if the program might be available for > download to us poor cousins here in OZ (and NZ??) for viewing these > fantastic programs ie Who Do You Think You Are? > BUT I discovered we're out of luck Downunder - there being no licensed > carrier to bring the program to us - does this mean there is no > satellite available to bounce the signal off?? > > Cheers > Ainslie. > in cold, damp & dismal Adelaide, Sth Australia

Hi folks, I thought I was onto a winner for a few minutes when I decided to check out the BBC TV site to see if the program might be available for download to us poor cousins here in OZ (and NZ??) for viewing these fantastic programs ie Who Do You Think You Are? BUT I discovered we're out of luck Downunder - there being no licensed carrier to bring the program to us - does this mean there is no satellite available to bounce the signal off?? Cheers Ainslie. in cold, damp & dismal Adelaide, Sth Australia

G'day Pip, On 15/08/2010, at 9:03 PM, Pip Waterfield wrote: > John says 73 years. have been having mental blocks with my mental arithmetic - but surely it 63? Well, at least one of you was awake! :-) ooroo

BBC relegates live VJ Day coverage to digital channel By Sara Nathan "The BBC caused anger yesterday by failing to screen the VJ Day anniversary service live on either of its main terrestrial channels. Veterans, politicians and royalty gathered to commemorate the 65th anniversary of Victory over Japan Day. But instead of screening the moving service on BBC1 or BBC2, Corporation chiefs decided to relegate it to the BBC News Channel. To the fury of ex-servicemen and women, the half-hour service was ignored in favour of Murder, She Wrote and the EastEnders omnibus on BBC1. On BBC2, television bosses plumped for a repeat of the Inside Sport special, The Princess Royal at 60. MPs expressed dismay at the BBC's decision to put a repeat of a soap opera before the need to honour Britain's war heroes. Tory MP Patrick Mercer, a former infantry commander, said: 'The troops in Burma always called themselves the Forgotten Army. Now their final victory is being snubbed as well...." Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303391/BBC-relegates-live-VJ-Da\ y-coverage-digital-channel.html#ixzz0wiyQp4H4 <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1303391/BBC-relegates-live-VJ-D\ ay-coverage-digital-channel.html#ixzz0wiyQp4H4 Last updated at 12:09 AM on 16th August 2010 BBC relegates live VJ Day coverage to digital channel By Sara Nathan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:02 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Veterans gather to commemorate victory overJapan guardian.co.uk, Sunday 15 August 2010 Veterans gather to commemorate victory over Japan Survivors of far east campaign attend Cenotaph memorial service to mark 65th anniversary of conflict The Fourteenth Army, known as "the forgotten army", which fought back against the Japanese in India and then Burma, was the largest ever assembled by the British Empire and Commonwealth numbering more than half a million men, 340,000 of whom were from India, 100,000 from Britain and 119,000 from the east and west African colonies. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/15/vj-day-victory-japan-cenotaph-memor ial --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Now I'm REALLY jealous! I wonder when we'll see it in Oz?? Merilyn Pedrick Aldgate, South Australia From: Ruth in Brum Date: 08/16/10 10:31:51 To: India-Raj; India Subject: [INDIA] Who Do You Think You Are? With grovelling apologies to non-UK TV licence holders - don't forget to Watch the BBC 1 Who do You Think You Are? Programme tonight at 9 p.m.

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 15 August 2010 Veterans gather to commemorate victory over Japan Survivors of far east campaign attend Cenotaph memorial service to mark 65th anniversary of conflict The Fourteenth Army, known as "the forgotten army", which fought back against the Japanese in India and then Burma, was the largest ever assembled by the British Empire and Commonwealth numbering more than half a million men, 340,000 of whom were from India, 100,000 from Britain and 119,000 from the east and west African colonies. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/15/vj-day-victory-japan-cenotaph-memorial --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar

Interesting. I didn't know that. Er, what's wrong with ''Scotch Hydro''? Architecturally, I mean. When it comes to drinking the 'hydro' of life (aqua vitae) from Scotland, many of the booze lovers from India would give their left eyeball for a free bottle of Lagavulin (16 year-old) or Talisker (10 year-old). Hehehe .. --- Harshawardhan_Bosham Nimkhedkar ----- Original Message ----- From: "subodhkumar pande" < Harsh, The style of arhitectureof the Viceregal has also been described by (unkind?)architects as 'Scotch Hydro'. skp

Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [INDIA-BRITISH-RAJ] Who Do you Think You Are? program. Ainslie asked me the same question off list and I thought it might be useful to post the response I have just sent him! Yes it would be great for everyone 'down under' or indeed 'across the pond' etc, but the BBC would lose a huge amount of revenue....which it really does need. Even retired UK folks in Spain who have bought a Licence have complained that they can't log in to 'listen again' or indeed 'watch again' because the website checks their provider address first. I think TV companies have been buying in the programmes so they usually become available in Oz and the US, but you have to wait of course, hence my apology to folks like you! There's a page for people to chat on which is often interesting even if you haven't seen the programme. Some comments are from people who have helped make it and talk about where they went for records etc. Ruth - in sunny Brum, but more rain forecast until November!!!! > Hi folks, > > I thought I was onto a winner for a few minutes when I decided to check > out the BBC TV site to see if the program might be available for > download to us poor cousins here in OZ (and NZ??) for viewing these > fantastic programs ie Who Do You Think You Are? > BUT I discovered we're out of luck Downunder - there being no licensed > carrier to bring the program to us - does this mean there is no > satellite available to bounce the signal off?? > > Cheers > Ainslie. > in cold, damp & dismal Adelaide, Sth Australia

I have recently discovered from burial records that both my grandfather (Christopher Burke Mayes) and grandmother (Pearl Ellen Isabel Mayes nee Stevens or Stephens) died in Lucknow of gunshot wounds at the age of 24 on 29 August 1919. My father was then aged four. This was shortly after the infamous Amritsar massacre of April 1919. My grandfather was an electrical engineer (I think concerned with hydro electricity generation around Simla) but there is some unreliable evidence that he was, in 1908, involved with the Lucknow Volunteer Rifles. I am very interested to find out more about the circumstances and I'm wondering if anyone can suggest a particular Lucknow newspaper that would likely carry a report of the event. Perhaps there would be a coroner's or other official report but I don't know where to look. Any suggestions would be gratefully received. John Christopher John Mayes http://www.EnquireWithin.co.nz <http://www.enquirewithin.co.nz/>

Harsh, The  style  of arhitectureof the Viceregal has also been described by (unkind?)architects as 'Scotch Hydro'. skp